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State to Track Auto Movements with GPS
WorldNet Daily ^ | Posted: December 31, 2002, 1:00 a.m. Eastern | © 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

Posted on 12/31/2002 1:17:30 AM PST by abcraghead

Big Brother eyes taxes by the mile
State considers space-based technology to collect revenue

The latest proposal by government to collect tax revenue may seem out of this world – that's because it is.

The state of Oregon is considering the use of satellite technology to charge taxes based on how much mileage you drive your car.

The Road User Fee Task Force set up by lawmakers last year plans to ask the 2003 session to authorize testing of a vehicle-mileage tax, reports the Associated Press.

Oregon was the first state back in 1919 to adopt a gas tax, and today officials expect revenues to flatten as gas mileage improves and more hybrid cars come on line.

Jim Whitty, the task force administrator, says his group is looking at a per-mile charge of up to 1.25 cents to generate funds comparable to the current gas tax.

"We also have to have a way to track mileage only within the state," Whitty told the AP. This rules out basing the fee on odometer readings, which would include out-of-state driving.

"Technology has improved to the degree that this can be done, with an electronic device," he said.

The device in each car would be linked to a Global Positioning Satellite system, or GPS, which allows pinpoint navigation by bouncing signals off satellites.

The task force hopes to organize a test of this system if lawmakers approve, checking to see if the system even works, then conducting a yearlong evaluation.

There are several options for actually collecting fees. One is to send vehicle owners a monthly bill, another is to outfit gas stations so they can read vehicle transponders and collect the tax at fueling stops.

If you think the new method would do away with the tax on fuel, think again. In assessing the new levy, drivers would get credit for gas tax already paid.

To protect drivers' privacy, using the system to track cars in real time would be illegal. New cars would be required to have the GPS technology. Owners of older cars would be allowed to take part by retrofitting them.

A final decision on the proposal is not expected to come until the 2005 legislative session at the earliest.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: dmv; gps; oregon; stupidideas
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To: abcraghead
GPS does not bounce signals off of satellites. GPS is a receiver that gets a timed signal from at least three of 32 satellites for 2D(lat-long) position fix and at least four for 3D(lat-long-altitude). GPS is deadly accurate, and the potential for governmental mischief is certainly there.
21 posted on 12/31/2002 5:19:24 AM PST by jsraggmann
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To: abcraghead
People will modify the GPS spyware to defeat Big Brother's aim of bilking more money from their pockets. Or after market devices could be added or affixed to a GPS spyware that give a "false reading" of how much is actually owed the government. And who wants Big Brother spying on them in the first place? This is a shtinker of a bad proposal and should be shot down pronto til its dead, dead & dead.
22 posted on 12/31/2002 5:25:56 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: oceanperch
Oregon seems to try and be on the cutting edge but to many dumb asses running the show. IMO.

They are on the cutting edge all right...the cutting edge of socialism. I daresay that Oregon is the 'Vanguard of the Revolution.'

23 posted on 12/31/2002 5:30:07 AM PST by Petronski
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To: Petronski
LOL! They ditched Hillarycare.
24 posted on 12/31/2002 5:31:44 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
People will modify the GPS spyware to defeat Big Brother's aim of bilking more money from their pockets

Modify it? How about this: remove it from the vehicle and attach it to a 12 volt power supply. "Honest, officer, I never left the driveway."

25 posted on 12/31/2002 5:32:26 AM PST by Petronski
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To: Petronski
Shades Of 1984 in the car!!!
26 posted on 12/31/2002 5:34:56 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
Reminds me of Chamberlain and the Twentieth Maine atop Little Round Top: "Load up Boys, the Rebs are Comin' Again!"

Oregon's single payer manifesto...er...plebescite...er...ballot initiative will be back.

27 posted on 12/31/2002 5:35:09 AM PST by Petronski
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To: abcraghead
OOOh! Great news! and think, when every state has it then we can link it with TIA...to track terrorists...for the children...< /sarcasm >
28 posted on 12/31/2002 5:38:11 AM PST by gnarledmaw
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To: goldstategop
Some idiot on here last week pushing a car chip to track carjackers. They seem to want to track our vehicles badly, tracking us can't be far behind.
29 posted on 12/31/2002 5:41:07 AM PST by steve50
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To: abcraghead
Im really getting sick of this
30 posted on 12/31/2002 5:45:40 AM PST by ezo4
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
yes! just as the car rental firms, charge the customer for speeding as recored by GPS.
31 posted on 12/31/2002 5:51:36 AM PST by thinking
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To: jsraggmann
GPS does not bounce signals off of satellites. GPS is a receiver that gets a timed signal from at least three of 32 satellites for 2D(lat-long) position fix and at least four for 3D(lat-long-altitude). GPS is deadly accurate, and the potential for governmental mischief is certainly there.
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And from the U.S. Navy comes this little ditty... "Precise Positioning Service is for the DOD only. Only Standard Positioning Service (SPS) is available to the public. With SPS, 100 meter accuracy is observed 95% of the time. The following plot shows SPS information gathered at USNA over a 6 hour period. Notice the brief 4 minute excursion over 1/2 mile at 14 knots for our fixed building!" You bet the state will want you to pay for the GPS drift, too. LINK

32 posted on 12/31/2002 5:56:19 AM PST by Fudd
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To: abcraghead
Owners of older cars would be allowed to take part by retrofitting them.

"Allowed to take part?"

Talk about Big Brother- Speak!

Just like they "allow" us to pay taxes, register our legal guns, and file our income tax returns?

33 posted on 12/31/2002 6:11:42 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
And if I don't want to refit my car, would I be sent to the slammer?
34 posted on 12/31/2002 6:13:02 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: abcraghead
If the citizens of Oregon don't start an immediate mass recall, or get whoever dreamed this up fired (I would do a lot worse), then they're dumber than Californians!

I didn't think it was possible.

half of california voters are dumb as rocks!

35 posted on 12/31/2002 6:36:33 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Here is a challenge...

Can Freepers identify the individual (or group of individuals) who came up with this "idea"?

We need to know.

36 posted on 12/31/2002 6:40:24 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Publius6961
"If the citizens of Oregon don't start an immediate mass recall, or get whoever dreamed this up fired (I would do a lot worse), then they're dumber than Californians!"

They tried to put this into law in CA but the public outcry made them semi-retract it, no-doubt to be sneaked-in at midnight when nobody is looking. 2 cents per mile.

Fran Pavley, if I recall the name of the perp, was placed in Scientific American's "Top 100 Leaders in Science" for introducing the bill.

The CA bill did not--to my (imperfect) knowledge--contain the use of GPS receivers. I suppose the next version will, and tampering with the GPS unit will disable the vehicle and also be made a crime.

--Boris

37 posted on 12/31/2002 6:49:24 AM PST by boris
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To: abcraghead
"Owners of older cars would be allowed to take part by retrofitting them."

First off nobody owns the automobiles they think they own, unless they have the MSO (Which just about nobody has). Everyone has a "CERTIFICATE OF TITLE".

"...allowed" How nice, today you'll be allowed to volunteer, tomorrow you'll be forced to volunteer..

38 posted on 12/31/2002 6:52:06 AM PST by Mikey
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To: Petronski
"Modify it? How about this: remove it from the vehicle and attach it to a 12 volt power supply. "Honest, officer, I never left the driveway."

How about a nice little jumper wire hooked to a toggle switch, where one can turn the thing off, cruise all over the place and when ya get within 5 miles or so from the refueling station, turn it back on. Damn one will be able to rack up a lot of credit. Plus one would be able to control the amount of surveillance.

All kidding aside, this is nothing more then;

BIG BROTHERISM

39 posted on 12/31/2002 7:10:56 AM PST by Mikey
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To: abcraghead
Move over Orwell
40 posted on 12/31/2002 7:24:26 AM PST by Protagoras
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