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War with North Korea is now the unavoidable choice facing America
The Independent (UK) ^ | 12/30/2002 | Bruce Anderson

Posted on 12/29/2002 9:27:50 PM PST by ItsBacon

War with North Korea is now the unavoidable choice facing America

There seems no hope of a benign outcome. Kim Jong Il is bent on provoking America, which has no alternative but to respond

By Bruce Anderson

30 December 2002

As usual, the Europeans are wrong. In their determination to convict President George Bush of serial naivety, a number of European commentators have been accusing the United States of concentrating on the wrong enemy. Why go to war against Saddam, on the suspicion that he might eventually acquire weapons of mass destruction, while ignoring North Korea which is on the verge of possessing nuclear weapons and already has the missiles to deliver them?

But this charge against the Americans is based on two false assumptions. It underestimates both their realism and their power. It seems as if some Europeans only became aware of the North Korean threat within the past few weeks. That was not true in Washington. I was told in late 2001 that the administration was fully apprised of the need to keep one eye on Kim Jong Il, and North Korea was included in the "axis of evil". The Americans are fully aware of the risk that Kim Jong Il might decide to indulge in some provocation during the invasion of Iraq. If so, he would be underestimating his adversary. The Americans possess more than enough firepower to make war on North Korea and Iraq simultaneously – though North Korea would be the harder target.

From the outset, the Bushites were unhappy with the North Korea strategy which they inherited from President Clinton: a Koreageld policy. In return for Kim Jong agreeing not to press ahead with a nuclear programme, the US would give him aid to help avoid the worst effects of the famine which his economic policies had created. There were moments in the late Nineties when millions of North Koreans were virtually starving. Mr Bush and his team rapidly concluded that the Clinton policy was weak, immoral – and likely to fail. They have been proved right, so only the little problem of what to do next remains.

The historical profession must take some of the blame for the West's intellectual confusion over North Korea and our reluctance to take early, decisive and ruthless measures to crush the threat. Historians' rationalist propaganda has undermined political will. From the mid-19th century onwards, most historians became increasingly preoccupied with social and economic forces, while convincing themselves that the "great men" school of history was hopelessly unsophisticated. If only.

Such historical delusions have now been refuted by much of the history of the 20th century, itself hopelessly unsophisticated. That bloodstained century was overshadowed by the determining influence of great, evil men: Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, who all fused statecraft and mass murder. Had they never lived, the world would be different and better.

Their lesser imitations still afflict us: Mugabe, Saddam, Kim Jong Il. Those who would like to see history as a backward projection of the social sciences do have one point in their favour. The science of psychopathology should yield insights, into the present as well as the past. It might help teach us how to deal with such deranged dictators.

In Mugabe's case, little can be done as long as his fellow African leaders refuse to face up to his destructive malice. It would be hard to create a military option without the local equivalents of Kuwait and Qatar. Moreover, containment is an option in Zimbabwe, albeit a profoundly uninspiring one. After all, Mugabe can do no more than wreck his own country and bring discredit on sub-Saharan Africa (which its governments deserve, unfair though it is to their peoples).

But containment has not worked against Saddam, nor against Kim Jong Il. It appears that the latter has set himself on a course which can have only one outcome: a collision with America. If so, we will be facing a war that makes Desert Storm II seem like a picnic in the desert. There is every reason to hope for another walkover against Saddam. There is no hope of a walkover against North Korea.

The military options are already being considered in Washington, and they all involve great risks. Even if the answers are secret, some of the crucial questions are obvious. Does the administration know where Kim Jong Il's nasties are stored? If so, could they be destroyed in an Osirak-type raid – as in the Israelis' destruction of Iraq's nuclear reactor in 1981 – or would it be necessary to use small nuclear weapons in order to guarantee the destruction of hardened silos? Equally, when would it be possible to deploy an anti-missile defence system within reach of North Korea's coast, to ensure that any missiles fired by Kim Jong Il would be shot down?

But North Korea also poses a grave conventional threat. Kim Jong II has said that if attacked, he would consign South Korea to the flames, and he has the capabilities to do so. North Korea has overwhelming conventional forces massed along the border with the south, plus artillery which could pound South Korea to pieces in a matter of hours.

So, how quickly could the Americans throw back the onslaught and destroy the artillery? Is it not inevitable that any conventional war lasting more than a few hours would involve thousands of American casualties, tens of thousands of South Korean casualties, and many tens of billions worth of destruction of property? In short, is there any sensible way of fighting a war with North Korea without a massive pre-emptive attack, and would conventional weaponry be enough to make that attack effective?

Apart from the military hazards in North Korea, there could also be diplomatic complications. The Chinese regard Korea as part of their sphere of influence, and would be disturbed by any dramatic manifestation of American power there.

Some Chinese leaders would be tempted to bargain a trade-off: North Korea for Taiwan. Here, the Korean imbroglio connects with the general issues of American/Chinese relations. The US view is simple. These days, there is little sentimental attachment to Taiwan and no reluctance to contemplate a long-term reunion of the two Chinas, but only on the right terms. Rape will not be permitted; no union by force.

The Chinese use aggressive language, especially when they believe that they are merely asserting their rights. Unlike North Korea, however, China is a rational power. They may want Taiwan back, but they are not going to provoke a clash with the US. So any diplomatic problems of China are resolvable. In US/Chinese relations, clarity is the enemy of conflict, while mutual self-interest could be the basis of a weary alliance.

Self-interest is a concept unknown in North Korea. If it were possible to draw Kim Jong Il's nuclear fangs, it might also be possible to revert to containment, and thus stabilise the situation until the Stalinist theme park was eventually overthrown.

At present, however, there seems no hope of such a benign outcome. Kim Jong Il is bent on provoking America, and America has no alternative but to respond. There seems no way of avoiding a terrible war on the Korean peninsula.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: america; northkorea; war; warlist
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1 posted on 12/29/2002 9:27:50 PM PST by ItsBacon
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To: ItsBacon
I don't feel war with N. Korea is unavoidable, but the destruction of a rogue state ruled by a nut doesn't seem like such a tragedy to me. A war probably wouldn't kill as many North Koreans as starvation and communism have.
2 posted on 12/29/2002 9:51:17 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ItsBacon
Someone suggested the following policy:
First, tell North Korea that if one of their weapons, including any they sell, is every used against us, then we will wipe out their entire population. Second, build an Alaska-based missle defense capability, sit back, and let the rest of Asia deal with them directly.

3 posted on 12/29/2002 9:55:02 PM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: ozzymandus
Yes, but how many Americans would pay the price for a nation (South Korea) which is exhibiying animosity towards those very forces ?

Worth an American life ?

Not for these ingrates.

4 posted on 12/29/2002 9:58:20 PM PST by happygrl
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To: happygrl
I agree. Let South Korea and Japan carry their own weight for once. We have no business having troops there.
5 posted on 12/29/2002 10:06:02 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ItsBacon
US hasn't had the capability to wage two major regional wars since the Gulf War. Congress kept blowing that theory around until it was soundly deflated about 5 years ago...something most people in the military already knew. In lift capacity alone, there is not enough to do two contests on opposite sides of the world. Problem is, the polies start to believe their own bluster.
6 posted on 12/29/2002 10:18:09 PM PST by Stavka2
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
First, tell North Korea that if one of their weapons, including any they sell, is every used against us, then we will wipe out their entire population.

Nice, simple, and to the point. One problem: How would we know where the Nuc originated that took out, for example, LA, NY, or DC? If N. Korea has or obtain's nucs, and successfully miniturizes them, sells them or directs their own third parties (preserving deniability), getting them into the US and detonating them is no major problem.

We (U.S.Navy) used to say that the first thermo-nuc weapon used in war will occur at sea. One of our carrier task forces will simply "go missing". That is also a viable option for the N. Koreans.

The U.S. had good intelligence on Al-Quaida and their connection to the Taliban. What if we didn't? What if they had been a bit more deliberate and circumspect? What would this country be doing today if we had no way of knowing who authorized the attack on the WTC?

You are far too optimistic to expect that we will know if Korea or Iraq hits an American target. Beyond that, what sort of policy is it that in effect, allows a "first strike" on American soil. It might be a suicidal, even insane act by Korea or Iraq, yet they might do it anyway. The U.S. Government has an absolute obligation to prevent a first strike, but preemption if necessary. It's not as though these guys are "we are the world" peace-loving dictators. They have both (i.e. Kim & Hussein) promised death and destruction upon America. We should take them at their word, along with their most consistent actions. If they have NBC weapons, they will use them to either kill their preceived enemies (especially Americans), or to black mail them.

The U.S. can allow neither to occur.

7 posted on 12/29/2002 10:23:22 PM PST by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: ItsBacon
Don't sell this one short, folks. I spent twenty years of my semi-adult life trying to keep these @$$holes north of the DMZ. It didn't work all the time. I really doubt they could take South Korea (and if you doubt me, go deploy with one of their forward divisions), but the butcher's bill will be enormous. You will not see NK troops surrender to CNN camera crews like you did with Iraq 12 years ago.
8 posted on 12/29/2002 10:25:21 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
bump
9 posted on 12/29/2002 10:34:13 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: *war_list
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10 posted on 12/29/2002 10:38:28 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: ItsBacon
Dems are against anti-missile systems BUMP...
11 posted on 12/29/2002 10:46:17 PM PST by copycat
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To: JackelopeBreeder
The Korean War was a very bloody event.

You are right!
12 posted on 12/29/2002 11:05:59 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: ozzymandus
We have no business having troops on the Korean peninsula? Have you heard of a little thing called the Korean War, one in which thousands of Americans died to keep the North Koreans, a militaristic dictatorship, out of the peaceful, democratic South? For goodness' sake, don't condemn an entire country because they get miffed when one of their speedskaters gets disqualified or two of their innocent girls are accidently killed by American soldiers there. It's only natural. In the end, the South Koreans are American allies, and America should help protect its democratic, freedom-loving friends. Americans only constitute a small fraction of the forces along the DMZ, but they play a critical role in buttressing it against a northern invasion.

As for Japan, I don't know how they haven't held their own weight. You certainly can't mean that they haven't held their own economic weight over the past fifty years, since they're one of the great industial countries in the world, and one of the largest international donors. Perhaps you mean militarily? They don't have an aggressive armed forces, no, but that may have something to do with their constitution forbidding aggressive armed forces; the United States had something to do with that after World War II, as I recall. Even then, the Japanese made a very rare exception and sent support ships to help in the War on Terrorism. So perhaps you could elaborate on these two points.
13 posted on 12/29/2002 11:09:28 PM PST by JaimeD2
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To: happygrl
A lot of the anti-American stuff you see coming out of South Korea is due to fifth columnists and instigation by the north. The people of South Korea in general have no desire to be reunited with the North while that government exists.
14 posted on 12/29/2002 11:24:58 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: ItsBacon
N. Korea is starving and is playing the nuclear card in hope of handouts.
This isn't working and they out of starvation will attack somewhere.
I know we have over 30,000 troups in S. Korea on the border, but how long will that stop starving people from making drastic measures?
Hopefully a parade of liberal movie stars will go to N. Korea and make an evaluation for us. Preferably at night in dark alleys.
15 posted on 12/29/2002 11:32:01 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone
First, tell North Korea that if one of their weapons, including any they sell, is every used against us, then we will wipe out their entire population.

Nice, simple, and to the point. One problem: How would we know where the Nuc originated that took out, for example, LA, NY, or DC? If N. Korea has or obtain's nucs, and successfully miniturizes them, sells them or directs their own third parties (preserving deniability), getting them into the US and detonating them is no major problem.

Your question is a good one. How would we know where the nuke originated from that took out one of our cities? Or even worse, how would we know where the nukes were from that took out our 20 largest cities (assuming that if terrorists could get one inside our porous borders they could get 20 in)?

The pressure to retaliate would be enormous. I believe that it would be "round up the usual suspects" time for the Arrmagedon type retaliation that would result. Our enemies should realize this, and join us in preventing such an incident.

16 posted on 12/29/2002 11:34:48 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: A CA Guy
The Korean DMZ will exhibit a strong green glow if the north attempts a run on the south. The 30,000 people we have there are no match at a conventional level.
17 posted on 12/30/2002 12:04:43 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: ItsBacon
War with North Korea is now the unavoidable choice facing America

This is not correct. We could just simply allow ourselves to be blackmailed, which by the way, looks like it has become the official policy now.

18 posted on 12/30/2002 12:10:10 AM PST by expatguy
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To: ItsBacon
Is it not inevitable that any conventional war lasting more than a few hours would involve thousands of American casualties, tens of thousands of South Korean casualties, and many tens of billions worth of destruction of property?

Yes it is, which undercuts the idea that war is inevitable. The USA will not start a war with NK at that cost.

I also think it is mistaken to think that Kim Jong Il is simply producing nukes so he can bargain them away for economic reasons. Having them is the end in itself for the status and power that having them gives him. So he won't give them up voluntarily.

So Kim will develop nukes and eventually missiles that can reach America, unless the NK regime colapses from within. We will develop our ABM system in Alaska, but especially mobile systems that can shoot down missile on their upward trajectory when they are most vulnerable. That means ship based and air based systems. Obital systems deployed directly over likely launch areas would be best, but pretty far off. Let's hope they are deployed soon, and that they work.

20 posted on 12/30/2002 12:17:26 AM PST by Hugin
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