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1 posted on 12/27/2002 12:37:59 PM PST by RCW2001
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This would require conscription...
2 posted on 12/27/2002 12:40:15 PM PST by Dirk McQuickly
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To say we're going to be stretched thin, is an understatement.
3 posted on 12/27/2002 12:40:17 PM PST by Sparta
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interesting...
5 posted on 12/27/2002 12:42:38 PM PST by Centurion2000
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Is it possible that this response is merely one of the many scenarios "gamed" out by the Pentagon as possible choices by the President?
6 posted on 12/27/2002 12:42:38 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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If this was published in the time frame of 1998-2002, it's mostly irrelevant. Rumsfeld advocates a lighter more deadly force based on technology and special forces. We would certainly need to beef up the troop presence, but that number is a little high. Then again, a million man standing army has been know to require super-size troop deployments...
7 posted on 12/27/2002 12:44:04 PM PST by Dirk McQuickly
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Found a bit more on this "report"...

No more 'main enemy' in defense ministry text

by Kim Min-seok
December 28, 2002


The Ministry of National Defense yesterday published a report that substitutes for the controversial defense white paper that was withdrawn earlier this year. The report discusses Korean defense policies from 1998 to 2002.

The biannual white paper has discussed Korea's current defense posture; this year's paper was withheld because of North Korean complaints about earlier use of the term "main enemy" to refer to the North. This report omits the controversial term as it summarizes the defense policies of the Kim Dae-jung administration.

"We decided not to use the term because we value harmony between the North and South," an official at the ministry explained. But the report does not let the North off the hook entirely. "North Korea continues to enhance its military power, and there always exists the possibility of a provocation, for which the South should be fully prepared," one section of the report says.

The document boasts of progress the Korean armed forces have made in such areas as computerization of military information and the reorganization of the structure of Korea's forces. It also mentions the darker side of military life; it discusses an armed robbery committed by a military officer and notes that such cases have undermined public trust in the military.

The report also discusses the military capability of the United States Forces Korea and says in a crisis, a fleet of aircraft carriers and an additional 690,000 U.S. soldiers would be available for combat.

Source

9 posted on 12/27/2002 12:45:31 PM PST by RCW2001
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One thing to consider is if China gets involved. They could be backing N. Korea to start the whole mess and planning to strike at Taiwan and the Sprately Islands.
If the US gets stretched too thin, it's time for the nukes.
10 posted on 12/27/2002 12:46:40 PM PST by Gary Boldwater
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I don't believe we are going to send 690,000 troops for a minute. Do you realise how many troops that is? Nonetheless, just the thought of that should tone-down North Korea's reterict.
13 posted on 12/27/2002 12:48:24 PM PST by rs79bm
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We could never fight a two front war w/out recalling ALL of the reserves and instituting a draft. I don't think we could get enough troops to SK in time to prevent the fall of Seoul either. They should move all those stupid Korean anti-U.S. types to the front lines if war does break out.
14 posted on 12/27/2002 12:48:27 PM PST by jjm2111
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Bump.
17 posted on 12/27/2002 12:50:03 PM PST by k2blader
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I believe that WW3 started on September 11, 2001.

Did many people know when WW2 started? I don't think so. It didn't start on December 7, 1941 when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. Nor did it start on September 1, 1939 when Germany invaded Poland. Most people in the know (like Winston Churchill) realized that WW2 started way before then. When the Allies refused to enforce the conditions of the 1918 Armistice and allowed Germany to rebuild its strength, the die was cast for another world war. By 1933, WW2 had begun and was inevitable and unstoppable. Yet it was still possible at that time for the Allies to prevent the mass carnage that eventually took place by defeating Germany before it could grow much stronger.

I believe September 11, 2001 set in motion the unstoppable events that are beginning to occur right now. If we act now, we can still prevent the worst of it. If we waffle and attempt to negotiate our way out of it, our enemies will grow stronger and we will only ensure a larger and more deadlier war later on.

19 posted on 12/27/2002 12:52:52 PM PST by SamAdams76
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21 posted on 12/27/2002 12:53:33 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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Bwahahahahahahaha....

We are asking German troops to guard our bases in Germany while we are away tending to Saddam. What a laugh.

26 posted on 12/27/2002 12:57:31 PM PST by cynicom
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Check out this thread currently running...mentions this 690,000 number

What A New War in Korea Might Look Like

Phase 3 US Counterattack

The US plans are based on the belief that the North Koreans would not be successful in consolidating their gains around Seoul and would be pushed back across the DMZ -- though the plans assume the North may break through the DMZ in places. A critical issue is strategic warning of unambiguous signs that North Korea is preparing an attack. The warning time has reportedly been shortened from about ten days to about three days as North Korea has covered its military activities.

The United States and ROK have developed as series of plans to counter a potential DPRK attack. The first plan would be a preemptive strike against DPRK positions to counter an emanate North Korean offensive. Likely targets in a preemptive attack are likely to be artillery positions and bombers before they could be activated. Under this plan, the ROK and the United States, both must agree that a DPRK attack is eminent and that a preemptive strike is necessary.

The second plan would go into effect following a North Korea attack. Since the late 90’s the United States has developed OPLAN 5027, which includes defense of the southern peninsula as well as direct assaults against North Korean targets beyond the DMZ and “defeating them in detail”. This “defeat in detail” is said to include provisions to seize Pyongyang and instituted regime change.

In these provisions, the United States would attempt to bring roughly half of its combat force to reinforce forces already in place. According to the 04 December 2000 South Korean Defense Ministry White Paper, the United States would deploy up to 690,000 troops 160 Navy ships and 1,600 aircraft deployed from the U.S. within 90 days on the Korean peninsula if a new war breaks out.

The U.S.-ROK defense plan would be shaped not only by the threat but also by the mountainous terrain. Korea is commonly regarded as rugged infantry terrain that invites neither mobile ground warfare nor heavy air bombardment, but North Korea has assembled large armored forces that are critical to exploiting breakthroughs, and these forces would pass down narrow corridors that are potential killing zones for U.S. airpower. U.S.-ROK forces would conduct a vigorous forward defense aimed at protecting Seoul. Their campaign would be dominated by combined-arms ground battles waged with infantry, artillery, and armor. U.S. air and naval forces would conduct close air support, interdiction, and deep strike missions. After Phase 1, U.S.-ROK operations in Phase 2 would probably focus on seizing key terrain, inflicting additional casualties on enemy forces, and rebuffing further attacks. Phase 3, to start when the U.S. ground buildup was complete and ROK forces were replenished would be a powerful counteroffensive aimed at restoring the ROK's borders and destroying the DPRK's military power.

A major air campaign against northern forces would be required before the counteroffensive could begin. A US Marine Expeditionary Force (in division strength) and the 82nd Air Assault Division, along with ROK divisions, would launch an overland offensive north toward Wonsan from the east coast. Soon thereafter, a combined US-ROK force would likely stage an amphibious landing near Wonsan, and advance to Pyongyang. Subsequently, a combined US-ROK force would execute a major counteroffensive from north of Seoul aimed at seizing Pyongyang. This would be achieved either by linking up with the force at Wonsan, or meeting it at Pyongyang.

North Korea, devastated during the Korean War, also places great emphasis on maintaining a strong defense. To achieve the strategic defense mission, North Korea has established defensive belts. They are designed to defeat any attack from ground or amphibious forces. The main strategic belt runs from the DMZ to Pyongyang. This belt contains over two-thirds of the DPRK's active maneuver ground forces. Ground defense along this belt is carried out by MPAF and corps level units.

Two army-level headquarters may be activated for wartime operations. The navy provides coastal defense, and the army provides ground anti-landing defense. The air force and anti air artillery units of the army provide defense of DPRK airspace. At the initiation of a DPRK ground offensive, the North's reserve forces, numbering some 5 million, would man a pre-established, in-depth national defense network.

Tasks performed during the Destruction Phase of the OPLAN reportedly involve a strategy of maneuver warfare north of the Demilitarized Zone with a goal of terminating the North Korea regime, rather than simply terminating the war by returning North Korean forces to the Truce Line. In this phase operations would include the US invasion of North Korea, the destruction of the Korean People’s Army and the North Korean government in Pyongyang. The plan includes the possibility of a Marine amphibious assault into the narrow waist of North Korea to cut the country in two. US troops would occupy north Korea and "Washington and Seoul will then abolish north Korea as a state and ‘reorganize’ it under South Korean control.

27 posted on 12/27/2002 12:58:38 PM PST by RCW2001
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If we start a draft....

the illegal immigrants will leave.
30 posted on 12/27/2002 1:01:38 PM PST by MedicalMess
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Army service in South Korea is mandatory, I believe. They have 650,000 men at arms at any given time, I believe. NK has a million. Might this be the numbers they are talking about?

33 posted on 12/27/2002 1:06:31 PM PST by Glenn
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Last time the Chinese came into the peninsula and fought with the North Koreans against the United States. Part Deux?
34 posted on 12/27/2002 1:09:27 PM PST by LdSentinal
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Why not just let the two sides fight it out? Who gives a crap about South Korea? Most people there hate our guts anyway, and we gain no eceonomic advantage from them. It would cut our exports big time, and some of those stupid commie S. Korean students we always see cursing America and rioting would die off. No one would miss those rabble rousers. We can use daisycutters and special forces to destroy any nuclear presence when its all said and done.
45 posted on 12/27/2002 1:52:11 PM PST by montag813
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The United States would deploy some 690,000 troops

Maybe, if they had them.

56 posted on 12/27/2002 2:08:33 PM PST by thepitts
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Perhaps we are going to hire most of these troops from China and attack from the North. While the mercenaries are attacking our 35000 will hold the line in the South.
57 posted on 12/27/2002 2:09:16 PM PST by bert
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