Posted on 12/24/2002 3:14:25 PM PST by Stultis
Bin Laden remarks give Murray grief
Les Blumenthal; The News Tribune
WASHINGTON - Sen. Patty Murray says she was just trying to prompt a thoughtful discussion when she told high school students the United States might learn something from Osama bin Laden's efforts to help the poor in the Arab world.
Instead, the Washington state Democrat got her picture plastered prominently on the Web, became a hot topic of conversation on talk radio and had her patriotism questioned by the head of the state Republican Party.
Even one of her possible Republican opponents when she faces re-election in 2004, U.S. Rep. George Nethercutt (R-Spokane), challenged her to a one-on-one debate on the topic of bin Laden.
Murray, in a telephone interview, said she was shocked by the Republican response to what she considered a free-ranging discussion that represented one of the best American values - freedom of thought.
"I am astonished the Republican Party would try to spin out of control a conversation with high school students," she said. "Republicans have been trying for six months to use the war on terrorism for political purposes."
During an appearance Thursday before an honors class at Columbia River High School in Vancouver, Wash., Murray (D-Shoreline) challenged students to consider why the United States is so poorly regarded by many Muslims while bin Laden is considered a hero.
"We've got to ask, why is this man (bin Laden) so popular around the world?" Murray was quoted as saying in The (Vancouver) Columbian newspaper. "Why are people so supportive of him in many countries that are riddled with poverty?"
Murray said the answer may be unpopular, but worth considering.
"He's been out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day-care facilities, building health care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that."
She added: "How would they look at us today if we had been there helping them with some of that, rather than just being the people who are going to bomb Iraq and go to Afghanistan?"
The response was relentless.
Murray's office was inundated with calls for her to appear on conservative television and radio talk shows.
The issue was featured prominently on the online Drudge Report.
Rush Limbaugh did a piece on Murray's comments. State GOP Chairman Chris Vance issued two news releases demanding an apology.
"It is absolutely outrageous and despicable to imply that the American government should learn a lesson from the madman who murdered thousands of American citizens," Vance said."I know Senator Murray has a habit of sticking her foot in her mouth, but this goes way beyond a simple gaffe."
Vance was particularly critical of her for saying bin Laden had helped build day-care centers, pointing out that fundamentalist Islamic women don't work, so there's no need for day-care centers.
Nethercutt, sounding like a candidate, called Murray's comments "shocking, bizarre and uninformed. You have to wonder where Senator Murray has been living since September 11th."
Murray, who in October voted against a resolution authorizing President Bush to attack Iraq, said she considered bin Laden an "evil terrorist," and said bringing him to justice and dismantling his al-Qaida terrorist network should be the U.S. government's top priority.
But Murray said while the United States tracks down bin Laden and members of his terrorist organization, U.S. leaders also should consider the longer-term issue of improving relations with the Arab world.
She noted that the White House has created a special office, headed by a Madison Avenue advertising executive, to improve America's image.
"Having a challenging and thoughtful discussion about America's future reflects the best values of a free democracy," she said.
"To sensationalize and distort in an attempt to divide is not."
Exactly how much bin Laden has done to support schools, medical facilities and infrastructure remains conjecture in the intelligence community, though there is evidence he engaged in such activities, particularly in Afghanistan and Sudan.
A Defense Department fact sheet indicated bin Laden had imported heavy equipment to build roads, tunnels, hospitals and storage facilities in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation and in connection with the establishment of paramilitary training camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Mark Burgess, an analyst with the Center for Defense Information, a nonpartisan group that tracks defense issues, said bin Laden spent five years in Sudan using his own money to fund a number of infrastructure projects for the government.
"He and his organization have been involved in various welfare-type projects and charitable work," Burgess said.
Michael Swetnam, a terrorism expert who co-wrote a book on bin Laden and al-Qaida, told The Associated Press that the terrorist leader has been on a mission to build schools, roads and even homes for widows of those killed in the fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan.
But Swetnam said the schools he financed taught mostly fundamentalist Islam that preaches hatred for the West.
Les Blumenthal: 1-202-383-0008
lblumenthal@mcclatchydc.com
(Published 12:30AM, December 21st, 2002)
Hmmm. No we just fly over-head dropping Billions of Dollars out of the Drones...
Thank God I live in Washington State now!!
Excuse me while I start writing, mailing, calling, e-mailing, talking, and shouting (if need be) on why we need one less Demo Senator.
This is going to be fun. Ah, the joys of having these Dems around.
Merry Christmas
Out
If this was true, she would apologize. I don't see that in any story posted in the last 3 days.
Murray, in a telephone interview, said she was shocked by the Republican response to what she considered a free-ranging discussion that represented one of the best American values - freedom of thought.
Gee, what side did she come down on with Trent Lott?
Something definitely not heard by the skank in tennis shoes
"I am astonished the Republican Democratic Party would try to spin out of control a conversation with high school students toast to a retiring Senator," she said. "Republicans Democrats have been trying for six months since their embarrassing defeat in the midterm elections to use the war on terrorism find something to with which to attack the Republicans for political purposes."
Hey, Patti-foot-in-mouth, how does it feel? Does your whinning mean you (and DNC) can dish it out but you can't take it? TO BAD!!!
Go to my message #18 above. Click on the "#45" link. Follow the links in that message for background info and documentation on our aid to Afghanistan, both before and after 911.
With whom? Nethercutt doesn't stand a chance. I'm afraid this has endeared Murray with her moronic constituency. Sad.
A man who had spent most of his adult life in Afghanistan with a humanitarian organization was on our local radio station (KVI in Seattle) saying Murray was completely wrong. He refuted her every point with specifics of what many organizations, plus the US government had done for the Afghans for years. We HAVE built all the stuff she credited Bin Laden with, and he had been there, done that. Kirby Wilbur, our "historian" Conservative talk show host, should go into the same schools where Murray was attempting to poison the young minds, and set the record straight. This woman is a genuine nitwit. Dumb as a rock, (but Liberal as they come).
And:
["Republicans have been trying for six months to use the war on terrorism for political purposes."]
But she has nothing to say about hoe Democrats have been trying for thirty years to use race relations for political purposes."
How liberally hypocritical of her.
Confronted, hell! She voted for them! In the foreign aid bill. If she'd bothered to read it.
Presuming, of course, the senior senator from Washington can read...
Patty Murray is either a.) ignorant or b.) an apologist for anti-American terrorism. There is no other option (save "both").
Even the day-care centers?
She sounds like Hillary.
Lefty spin. Instead of supporting her arguments, she represents criticism as censorship, and challenges to her views are unthoughtful.
This is a standard tactic deployed. Typically when challenged they claim that "dissent" is being "censored". Of course, it's their only hope. What, they're going to admit that they're wrong?
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