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1 posted on 12/19/2002 10:26:29 PM PST by The Old Hoosier
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Well, this didn't take long, did it?
2 posted on 12/19/2002 10:27:45 PM PST by Howlin
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Frist has deliberately chosen to live in a country in which Abortion is legal!!!!!!

Boy, we'd better not let anyone like that in the Senate, huh?

3 posted on 12/19/2002 10:29:55 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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The GOP eats its own face so it can't see the rest of it's body !
4 posted on 12/19/2002 10:34:34 PM PST by america-rules
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My next door neighbor has a sister that knew a girl who had an abortion.

I guess I shouldn't hope to be majority leader either.

9 posted on 12/19/2002 10:39:07 PM PST by dead
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Chicago economist links abortion to falling crime rates
By Amy Rust
News Office


Presented at seminars at the University, Stanford and Harvard but not yet published, “Legalized Abortion and Crime,” Chicago economist Steven Levitt’s recent study that links the legalization of abortion to the country’s falling crime rate in the 1990s, already is receiving national attention.

The study, co-authored by Levitt, Professor in Economics at Chicago, and Stanford University’s John Donohue III, suggests legalized abortion may be responsible for approximately half of the crime rate’s recent fall.

According to the researchers, the decline of the U.S. crime rate may be the result of two mechanisms related to legalized abortion. First, following the Roe vs. Wade decision in 1973, more women at risk of having children who could later engage in criminal activity––teen-agers, those living in poverty or those with unwanted pregnancies, for example––opted for abortion. And second, improved maternal, familial or fetal circumstances may have led to better environments for raising children.

Levitt and Donohue stress that their findings do not carry an endorsement of abortion. “We do not take a position on abortion, and the study was not undertaken as a study of abortion, but crime,” said Levitt. “Neither is the study about race or class. Many studies have shown that children who are born unwanted have unsatisfactory outcomes, including involvement in crime.”

As evidence for their findings, the researchers point to data regarding the timing of the crime drop: the first generation of pregnancies terminated under legalized abortion would have otherwise resulted in children who reached the peak ages for criminal activity, 18 to 24, in the early 1990s. Increases in 1970s abortions by high-risk mothers may have lowered the number of potential criminals coming of age in the 1990s.

The study also reports that states such as California and New York, which legalized abortion before 1973, experienced a drop in their crime rates before the rest of the nation. Furthermore, empirical evidence suggests states with higher abortion rates have seen more dramatic decreases in crime since 1985, and those drops in crime have been concentrated among individuals under age 25 in 1997––precisely the group possibly affected by abortion legalization in 1973.

While many explanations have been given for the dramatic decline of crime during this past decade, the authors maintain in a study abstract that “each of them has difficulty explaining the timing, large magnitude, persistence and widespread nature of the drop.” The researchers also predict crime rates will continue to fall slowly for 15 to 20 more years as the full effects of legalized abortion continue.

“A better understanding of the reasons for declines in crime helps policymakers as they formulate programs to reduce crime. For instance, with lower future crime rates, there may be less need to build prisons,” Levitt said.
14 posted on 12/19/2002 10:43:01 PM PST by Mister Magoo
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As a doctor he probably believes abortion should be legal and rare. There are reasons for abortions - namely to save a woman's life.

My sister had four tubal pregnancies before having a normal pregnancy. These would have killed the babies and her for sure. Talk about crying an ocean of tears!

I would prefer abortions performed solely in reputable hospitals for valid therapeutic reasons, where a doctor can make a descision based on medical necessity, rather than in abortion clinics where it is the only procedure and done for pure profit.

18 posted on 12/19/2002 10:46:08 PM PST by goody2shooz
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BTTT!
21 posted on 12/19/2002 10:49:24 PM PST by Salvation
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Meet Bill Frist: Senator championed confirmation of pro-abortion Satcher
25 posted on 12/19/2002 10:51:40 PM PST by Salvation
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i'm so tired of one-issue politics, and black and white thinking.

that's what elected the clintons. the pat robertsons and jerry falwells stayed home and didn't vote for bush senior.

26 posted on 12/19/2002 10:51:44 PM PST by koax
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A shameless, slimy hit piece, and I say this as a longtime, vocal opponent of abortion.
30 posted on 12/19/2002 10:53:41 PM PST by beckett
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"Frist a Major Shareholder in Reputed For-Profit Abortion Provider "

Oh please. Give us an effing break. Is this author a refugee from the Buchanan Brigades ?
34 posted on 12/19/2002 10:54:50 PM PST by Maynerd
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So what is the big deal? Now that the media has conspired with the clever dems to destroy Lott, it appears to be time for single-issue interests to smear another Republican.

Frist is the choice of the White House, for SML. That is good enough for me. What motivates an article such as this?

Just as I oppose islamist-mullah-dictatorships, run by sharia law, I would suppose it should be okay to oppose running the USA under fundamentalist Christian laws, too.


39 posted on 12/19/2002 10:56:10 PM PST by truth_seeker
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If this is true then Frist will not be the Senate Majority Leader.
55 posted on 12/19/2002 11:02:28 PM PST by Salvation
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Well, which is it already? Is Frist pro-life or is he pro-choice? I'm getting confused from all kinds of information that are different from one another. 100% Pro-life rating, but ran on a platform in 1994 saying he is pro-choice.

If Lott is replaced as Majority Leader (which I don't want, BTW), let it be Santorum. And, yes, I am pro-life.

58 posted on 12/19/2002 11:03:18 PM PST by LdSentinal
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Frist's familiy (I know a few of them here) are some of the wealthiest in the country.

They manage many many hospitals. To my knowledge there are only 2 baby killing mills here in Nashville but I would not be suprised if some of their hospitals don't at least serve as a conduit.

That aside...I like Frist but like the rest...he's a moderate mostly on social issues. Unlike Kerry or Corzine, his wealth (family has billions) will be hung around his neck on tax debate. He does give a pleasant enough "face" though.
84 posted on 12/19/2002 11:15:07 PM PST by wardaddy
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a major shareholder in HCA, a for-profit hospital chain founded by his father and brother. HCA reportedly provides abortions to its customers.

...and sonograms, and deliveries, and colonoscopies, and appendectomies....and EVERYTHING. They run hospitals! What an imbicile this author is.

I OWN this stock, as do millions of other Americans.

Columbia/HCA's stock has risen over 100% in the last 2 years. It is a mainstream Wall Street company.

How pathetic for "Human Events" to put out an article such as this. My respect for them has all but evaporated. I am hopeful that Dr. Frist and his supporters will get a chuckle out of this nonsense, but otherwise ignore it, as one would ignore a National Enquirer report on aliens.

85 posted on 12/19/2002 11:15:50 PM PST by montag813
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So his family is directly or indirectly involved in infanticide. At least he has never EVER uttered a racially insensitive comment...lol....whew...wouldn't want him guilt of something truly evil.
89 posted on 12/19/2002 11:17:20 PM PST by wardaddy
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Bill Frist on Abortion

Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions.

Vote on a motion to table [kill] an amendment that would repeal the ban on privately funded abortions at overseas military facilities.
Bill S 2549 ; vote number 2000-134 on Jun 20, 2000

Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions.

This legislation, if enacted, would ban the abortion procedure in which the physician partially delivers the fetus before completing the abortion. [A NO vote supports abortion rights].
Status: Bill Passed Y)63; N)34; NV)3
Reference: Partial Birth Abortion Ban; Bill S. 1692 ; vote number 1999-340 on Oct 21, 1999

Voted YES on disallowing overseas military abortions.

The Murray amdt would have repealed current laws prohibiting overseas U.S. military hospitals and medical facilities from performing privately funded abortions for U.S. service members and their dependents.
Status: Motion to Table Agreed to Y)51; N)49

127 posted on 12/19/2002 11:33:20 PM PST by KS Flyover
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Who else may profit? Check you investments.

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150 posted on 12/19/2002 11:51:50 PM PST by Flyer
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is it also disqualifying for their Senate leader to make money from a hospital chain that denies unborn babies the right to life?

Not one bit.

167 posted on 12/20/2002 12:04:35 AM PST by RJCogburn
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