Alien Ideas: Christianity and the Search for Extraterrestrial Life

CRISIS magazine via CERC ^ | BENJAMIN D. WIKER

[Cvengr]

There are lots of animals in the zoo and PCs today are a commodity. Are ETs in the domain of creatures, genetically engineered beings by other creatures, or another domain under the Father but outside our intended domain?

OPtions I've considered have been:

1) fallen angels
2) other creatures still created by the Son or the Father, (other animals in the zoo)
3) Created by angels (a counterfeit creation?)
4) Spiritual domain only?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Yes, I rely on the Interlinear Bible to get through some confusing passages.

But I've found if one just concentrates on the words of Jesus (and maybe Paul), in any language, His truth prevails.

I'm not sure what you mean by "parallelism to the domains of other creatures..."

[Uri’el-2012]

To be more exact, deism was the religion of the Newtonians. At the end of the 17th century, Newton had used the materialist atomism, ultimately rooted in the thought of Epicurus and Lucretius, as a foundation for his geometrical account of nature. As a result, the closest Newton could come to Christianity was deism, in which a distant god created the atoms and gave them an initial shove. The Incarnation was simply jettisoned as cosmologically incompatible and therefore irrelevant.

Benjamin D. Wiker, a fellow with Discovery Institute, teaches theology and science at Franciscan University. His Moral Darwinism: How We Became Hedonists is now available from InterVarsity Press.

The author, Wiker seems to be painfully ignorant of the life of Sir Issac Newton.
I guess if you are not a member of the Roman or English church, you are not a follower of the Christ, just a Deist.

Newton was also an ardent Bible scholar who was very fluent in the ancient languages. He studied and translated the book of Daniel from the original Hebrew and his interpretations are the foundation of a book entitled, NEWTON'S PROPHECIES OF DANIEL, by the Oregon Institute Of Science and Medicine.
Sir Issac Newton 1642-1727

Newton, Isaac (1642-1727)

chuck <truth@YeshuaHaMashiach>

[jwh_Denver]

I'm sorry I was hasty in my post because you know something? I don't know what the cosmos is. I did a quick check of the the word "cosmos" and posted it. Not a thorough study by any means and I apologize for it.

As far as ET's goes I think it is a foolish question because the Scriptures do not say therefore we do not know. Oh sure some mental tickling on the subject is ok but I'm not going to spend a lot of mind time on it.

Are you familiar with Hebrew? Because if you are I would like for you to consider something in Gen 1 that the modern versions may have all wrong according to the Hebrew. Either way I apologize again for my arrogance.

[Quix]

So they carp all the time.

hmmmmm

At least they are carpable of something. Some people are just vegetables.

I'm curious, do they have a carpacious appetite this time of year?

The carpacities of their stomachs must be quite large.

I wonder if any of them have swam by the Carpe of Good Hope.

When they go carrolling, do they sing A'Carpella?

When they do, I hope they bundle up well to keep their carpillaries warm and flowing.

I wonder if their carpital investments are carpmensurate with their carping?

Thankfully, on this site, we should be able to count them in as strong supporters of carpitalism.

Too bad the same can't be said for all the left-heads in our D.C. Carpitol!

Have you ever known one of them to carpitulate in an argument?

I'm sure glad [g]utless carpon Gore is not running again.

Has our FR carp school read all of Truman Carpote's works?

One thing plenty rare around FR parts is any carpricious mind change--especially among the school of carp.

I'm curious, if leftists carpsize, does the school of carp turn into a school of piranha?

If they carpsulated all their carping, would the result be dried fish or dried leftist?

BTW, who's the carptain of their ship?

What are their romantic rituals when they are carptivated by their lovers?

How do Carpuchin monkeys carpture carp?

At this rate, pretty soon, I'll be carput, if not already.

But I do hope our Carp school can show some reverence toward our Carpenter this Grand Season honoring His birth.

If the school eats too many fruits, they might have to take up carpology.

I suppose they could dry the fruits in their carp-orts.

And with that, this really SHOULD BE carput!

[crystalk]

I am, of course, not at this point engaging in any "-gesis" at all...just translating the original languages into modern, technologically aware English. Ancient Hebrew was aware of self-propelled vehicles, aerial and land...Ancient Greek and Hebrew were well aware of intelligent and humanlike beings not from Earth.

Kosmos is and always has been much broader than the English 'world,'...

We are now far better placed to study Hebrew than ever before, since it has been recovered as a living language, and many implications that Christians may have suspected, sure enough ARE there, PACE earlier dictionaries, and many other implications they many NOT have suspected are also there!

Your theological "-gesis-es" can do all they wish, they have already done much damage. But I am not going to play the "-gesis" game. I am just translating.

The earlier commentaries were just walking in sparks of their own kindling, the blind leading the blind, when it comes to the overtones and actual meanings of the Hebrew in particular. We can now let the LANGUAGE lead, get [all of] the meaning[s] that an educated Hebrew speaker would get out of the passage, and ignore the pompous theological establishments of the Gentile world.

[yendu bwam]

You sure outcarped me! I stand chastened!

Best,

yendu bwam

[yendu bwam]

i SUPPOSE their wives are . . .

CARPettes?

It's certainly carp-possible...

[stuartcr]

But of course, when speaking of these matters, all we can go on is our God-given faith and intelligence.

[stuartcr]

OK, you got me, poor words on my part. All who have faith presuppose something, otherwise, what would faith be?

[stuartcr]

I have no doubts that God can do virgin births, resurrections, animals speaking, etc. I just don't think He did.

[stuartcr]

Why do you feel I ignore God, just like everyone else, I wouldn't be here, thinking as I do, if it wasn't for Him.

[stuartcr]

Simile - sometimes used on freerepublic to attempt to make a point, when nothing else works.

[js1138]

That's the world according to carp.

[Uri’el-2012]

There are lots of animals in the zoo and PCs today are a commodity. Are ETs in the domain of creatures, genetically engineered beings by other creatures, or another domain under the Father but outside our intended domain?

OPtions I've considered have been:

1) fallen angels
2) other creatures still created by the Son or the Father, (other animals in the zoo)
3) Created by angels (a counterfeit creation?)
4) Spiritual domain only?

521 posted on 12/22/2002 10:25 PM MST by Cvengr

There are some who hypothesize that the UFOs may be something not unlike the Nephilim.

Baruch HaShem Adonai Yeshua HaMashiach

Praise the Holy Name of the L-rd Jesus the Christ

chuck <truth@YeshuaHaMashiach>

[My2Cents]

That is very, very unclear--at least to me--at present.

Well, we probably need to consider all possibilities. I suspect that truth is much more wild than the theories of conventional thinking.

[Quix]

I think it was unfair, you were probably asleep and I'd had a long nap.

But I can certainly offer my carpdolences.

Cheers

[Quix]

Carp-ossible that their wives are carpettes?

But if so, the wives should be very carpful . . . it could be very dangerous . . .

A continual dropping in a very rainy day and a carpentious woman are alike.
(Whole Chapter: Proverbs 27 In context: Proverbs 27:14-16) [with carpologies to Holy Spirit, Solomon and The Lord.]

and

Proverbs 21:19
It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a carptentious and an angry woman.
(Whole Chapter: Proverbs 21 In context: Proverbs 21:18-20)
[with carpologies to Holy Spirit, Solomon and The Lord.]

And having dwelled in both the wilderness and been married to a carpentious woman for 9 years . . . The Bible is correct . . . carporrect.

[Quix]

Yes, God insists that He gives to every man a measure of faith.

It is up to us to exercise it. That involves active and persistent choice.

I don't think we can blame God that He gave us an inferior faith as the reason we have weak or inadequate faith in Him.

We are not teenager druggies and He's not the social worker.

About every game our carnal nature could construe, God is infinitely too sharp for.

Perhaps I've gone off sky west and crooked from your point. I just wanted to caution about assumptions and slippery thinking in that ball park.

There's a WORD OF FAITH movement started probably in these times by Kenneth Hagin. I hear Hagin's tapes and read his books and he has plenty of outs which more or less balance out his position. But his son and a lot of his theological offspring have seemed to jump off the cliff with the principles involved.

NEVERTHELESS, that brand of Christian tends to experience and administer significantly more healings than most others. Certainly the Word of God earnestly believed and applied with whatever faith one can muster will produce far more miracles than other efforts.

But God is not a valet, not a butler, not a vending machine.

One time Kenneth Hagin knew of an elderly widow who had always been a righteous prayer warrior. She had heart trouble of some such and was clearly going to die unless God healed her. He knew from his long association that she had tons of faith and applied it appropriately, Scripturally. He went and layed hands on her and prayed for her. She died. He asked God why. God told him it was none of his business and to never think of it nor talk about it again.

That's fine. Certainly God's option. But it was a convenient out for Kenneth Hagin. He was faithful to God's command.

God doesn't seem to respond to formulas well--even Biblical ones. HE DEMANDS, INSISTS ON, COVETS A LOVE RELATIONSHIP WITH US MOMENT BY MOMENT. He wants a lover's dialogue with us moment by moment. He wants our trust and abandonment to Him moment by moment.

That takes a lot of faith and trust. Our culture tends to generate fear and mistrust and ocean fulls of incredulity. We have a lot to overcome to arrive at the state of relationship God desires for us. He is well able to get us there with our cooperation.

Blessings,

[Quix]

BTW,

I'm convinced your IQ is above average and at least more than sufficient for a reasoned faith based on reasonable evidence.