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Why socialists hate rich people: Neal Boortz reveals underlying envy, laziness infecting America
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Tuesday, December 17, 2002 | Neal Boortz

Posted on 12/17/2002 12:02:32 AM PST by JohnHuang2

There's a dark little corner of the Internet where a gruesome assortment of leftists and socialists gather to post what passes for their "thoughts" on political issues. The site is called DemocraticUnderground.com, and it's certainly worth a quick stop the next time you go cruising. Several of my listeners keep a constant watch on this site and alert me to particularly interesting discussion threads.

I catch a lot of flak for my constant references to the Democratic Party as the Democratic Socialist Party. Maybe I can quell some of the dissension by telling you some of the postings I have read on Democratic Underground recently.

Last Thursday, a comment appeared with the title, "It's official, I'm a socialist at heart." This writer had visited a neighborhood of "multi-million dollars homes" that for the most part have only "two people (rich, old white couples) living in them." She wrote, "I really cannot stand rich, selfish people. I do believe in redistribution of wealth. Rich people do not get that way by themselves, they do it on the backs of others." Other Democratic Underground members chimed in with their responses. Among them:

That, my friends, is scary stuff, but it's nothing I haven't heard in 33 years of hosting talk-radio shows. There is burning envy – an envy that borders on outright hatred of the rich in this country. This envy is intense enough to consume the hearts and minds of many who call themselves "Democrats."

Where does this hatred come from? Why is it so important to so many people to believe that the evil rich got their money through anything but hard work?

To understand this, you need to imagine yourself struggling to make ends meet. You're renting an apartment and driving every day to a dead-end job that 's going nowhere. You work your 40-hour week, and have nothing to show for it but rent receipts and credit card bills. You hear about all of these people getting sick on cruise ships, and grouse that you don't have enough money to even get on the ship, let alone throw up on the poop deck.

So, just why aren't you rich? Why don't you have a fancy car? Why aren't you tossing your lunch on Caribbean cruises? Why do you make rent payments instead of mortgage payments?

The last thing you want to do is to admit that this all may be your fault. Your poverty couldn't possibly have anything to do with your decision to forego college for that great job at the mall. You're also convinced that your decision to hang out with your friends at night instead of getting some more education at the local community college was the right one. Hey! You work hard and deserve your fun, right?

And just why should you have to work more than 40 hours a week? That's what you're supposed to work, right? Forty hours, no more. After all, you're not a slave, are you? What about your huge car payments? Sure, you could be putting that money into an investment account, but you need that fancy car, right? And the rims? Hey! A guy's gotta be cool, you know what I'm saying?

So ? those rich people? Did they get that way doing the things you won't do? Working the 60-hour week, continuing with their education, buying cheap cars with ordinary wheels and investing the rest? Do they have the nice homes and the fancy cars because they make good choices and aren't afraid of taking a risk now and then?

No way! If a person could really get rich that way you would have done it already, right? No, that's now how they got their money. These people are rich because they exploited people. They got their money by climbing on the backs of working people like you! They were lucky! They inherited it! They didn't earn it. If it could be earned, you would have done it, right?

You have to protect yourself here, don't you? If you accept that the vast majority of those you call "rich" got there through hard work, then don't you have to ask yourself why you're not one of them? It's just so much easier to cast them as callous, selfish monsters and evil exploiters of the working class while preserving the mantle of goodness and righteousness for yourself. Hey, you may be poor, but at least you're a nice person, right?


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To: Phantom Lord
According to Boortz, no one ever spent years earning degrees, and then worked 60-80 hours a week, without making spit. This guy sounds like an illiterate drunk on a barstool.

How many people do you know who have gone to graduate school and received an advanced degree or two, worked 60-80 hours a week and are poor?

Personally? Dozens, unfortunately.

101 posted on 12/18/2002 12:41:29 AM PST by mrustow
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To: Republic of Texas
Envy makes envy, envy helps envy, envy marries envy.

I wouldn't know. Besides, you're plastering "envy" on every statement you don't like, the same way multiculturalists call anyone disagreeing with them a "racist." You need to read and think more carefully.

102 posted on 12/18/2002 12:45:08 AM PST by mrustow
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To: Republic of Texas
Like most socialists, mrrustow didn't stick around to defend his comments. Probably because socialism is indefensible.

Ooh, you called me the "s" word! I should have stayed up round the clock last night, to respond to a small group of agitated, illiterate drunks? If I thought you had any sense, I'd tell you to show where I defended socialism. But then, if you had any sense, you'd be embarrassed by your posts.

103 posted on 12/18/2002 12:50:06 AM PST by mrustow
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To: fissionproducts
I know some trust-fund types. They might have affluence now but later on it will be gone. None of them have real jobs or do much of anything. Once daddy's money is gone they will be poor. Nothing lasts forever.

True. My trust fund cousin once decided to go on a round-the-world sailboat trip. (I'm a landlubber and was never on his boat, so I couldn't give you the particulars, as to how he was supposed to pull it off.) Halfway through, he'd blown all his money, and wired my grandmother, may she rest in peace, for money. She told me, she responded to "go to hell." She was actually a generous person, but she knew that the n'er-do-well cousin always badmouthed her behind her back.

104 posted on 12/18/2002 12:57:26 AM PST by mrustow
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To: mrustow
So what? Some very hard working folks never make a dime; others are handed a fortune for doing nothing. As long as no one is standing in your way to earn a living, why should you or anyone care? That's life. I've been in the top 1% income bracket and dirt poor. Never have I begrudged anyone for having more than me.

BTW, many "rich" persons spend their life in philanthropic pursuits. Other hard working but financially poor persons beat their wife. I don't judge a person by the size of their bank account.

105 posted on 12/18/2002 1:20:01 AM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: Henrietta
I'm perfectly happy with my decisions. I put the chronology together to demonstrate how long it takes to go from minimum wage to a fairly comfortable salary level. I left out trivial stuff like hanging flyers on 10,000 doorknobs for 4 cents each in high school. Ditto for the fabulous dishwasher/cook/fountain/waiter job in high school. That paid for the high school prom.
106 posted on 12/18/2002 1:24:23 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: mrustow
Actually, I wasn't aware that capitalism was fond of inherited privilege, either.

Capitalism isn't fond of inherited privilege, but it does thrive on capital accrued over time. The poor person who spends 3 hours washing clothes in a bucket with a wash board is tremendously liberated when a washing machine at a laundromat can get the same job done in 30 minutes for $1.00. When that person can afford a washing machine at home, the 30 minutes guarding the commercial washing machine and traveling is available for other activities.

Our society flourishes with capitalism. Even the poorest among us can afford factory made clothes instead of having to raise sheep, spin thread, weave cloth and sew a garment. We don't have to plow fields, sow, harvest and grind wheat to make a loaf of bread. There are people willing to work as farmers, bakers, garment makers and washing machine manufacturers because there is a market for those goods. Each practitioner has the freedom to produce something very efficiently so that we can all afford to buy it. Each practitioner is freed from the need to be a jack of all trades because others can supply his/her needs.

Capitalism makes each of us more efficient. We save time and money. If we carefully save the money from that efficiency, we have the means of purchasing items to become more efficient in the future e.g. the clothes washing example.

The counter example in socialism is the inability to own private property and accrue capital to improve one's condition over time. The authoritarian state owns everything. The "people" have only what the state returns to them from the confiscated fruits of their labor. There is no incentive to improve. The "people" perform the minimum necessary labor to sustain life.

107 posted on 12/18/2002 2:08:17 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: mrustow
I work in construction. It is as much as the work gateway for immigrants as farming or service jobs. We've got off the boat Brazilians and Irish making 30k/year their first no skill year. If they have any hustle at all they are pulling 60 in two and their phone doesn't stop wringing. I guess they have something you don't, a willingness to bust hump and get their hands dirty.

We live in the wealthiest nation in the history of the world. Working class, provided they do work, live better than Roman Emperors.

As others have stated, the problem is not in the economic stars, but with you.
108 posted on 12/18/2002 3:15:30 AM PST by Leisler
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To: mrustow
"..becuase there are only a very limited number of high-paying jobs.."

Who says? What law of physics or the universe specifies only a limited number? Where does this zero-sum, crypto Marxist notion come from? And please inform us what that number is, plus or minus 10%.

What a maroon.

109 posted on 12/18/2002 3:24:32 AM PST by Leisler
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To: Myrddin; MosesKnows
Thank you both for your inspiration this morning. My colleagues don't understand why work ethic matters so much. At the end of the year, they will be my former co-workers. They don't understand why I care so much about my job and work as I do. (Sometimes I wonder when I get up at four in the morning.) They don't understand why they were let go....
110 posted on 12/18/2002 4:04:08 AM PST by Unknown Freeper
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To: mrustow
What profession did they choose that required advanced degrees and lengthy work weeks that don't pay modertely well? Peace Corps?
111 posted on 12/18/2002 6:13:40 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: nopardons
Oh, I see, you teach . ....God help our children!!!
112 posted on 12/18/2002 6:50:14 AM PST by GrandMoM
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To: JohnHuang2
I got this in an email from my FIL


Subj: The truth about taxes

Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand.
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner.
The bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

the first four men-the poorest-would pay nothing;
the fifth would pay $1:
the sixth would pay $3;
the seventh $7;
the eighth $12;
the ninth$18.
the tenth man-the richest-would pay $59.

That's what they decided to do. The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement-until one day, the owner threw them a curve.

"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20."
So now dinner for the ten only cost $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six-the paying customers? How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share?"

The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33.
But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would end up being *paid* to eat their meal.

So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so the fifth man paid nothing, the sixth pitched in $2, the seventh paid $5, the eighth paid $9, the ninth paid $12, leaving the tenth man with a bill of $52 instead of his earlier $59.

Each of the six was better off than before.
And the first four continued to eat for free.
But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

"I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth. "But he got $7!"
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got seven times more than me!" "That's true!" shouted the seventh man.
"Why should he get $7 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!" "Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all.
The system exploits the poor!"
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night he didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They were $52 short!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college instructors, is how the tax system works.
The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction.
Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore.
Unfortunately, Liberals cannot grasp this straight-forward logic!


113 posted on 12/18/2002 7:00:20 AM PST by Mo1
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To: Phantom Lord
What profession did they choose that required advanced degrees and lengthy work weeks that don't pay modertely well? Peace Corps?

They chose teaching college. What they didn't know, when they spent all those years earning degrees that are useless for anything else, is that most college instructors are condemned to slave away as untenured adjuncts working at piece rates with no benefits, job security, or chance at ever getting full-time pay. Meanwhile, academia is full of minority political officers who earn anywhere from $80,000-150,000 plus benefits, merely for harassing the working folks.

(When I went to grad school, my excuse for not knowing how the system worked, was that I'd just come from spending five years abroad. It was also a long time ago, and our system of higher education was not quite as transparently corrupt as it now is.)

114 posted on 12/18/2002 9:01:48 AM PST by mrustow
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To: mrustow
I have zero sympathy for anyone who spends years and years in college to get degrees with the end game being a job in the teaching profession and then complain that they dont make any money. I don't buy it that people went into teaching and didnt know that the pay sucked.

Just as people who get degrees and advanced degrees in history, or english, or african-american studies and what not. They knew in the beginning that those degrees would not lead to lucrative careers.

As was said in the beginning, people make decisions and those decisions lead to their financial situation.

115 posted on 12/18/2002 9:26:00 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: mrustow
What are their salary ranges?
116 posted on 12/18/2002 9:26:28 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: Phantom Lord
I enjoyed teaching at the local college for 3 1/2 years. The toll equipment engineering job I had at the phone company wasn't very demanding, so I could count on having my evenings free to teach. The phone company was paying me $19K to $27K in that time frame, so a little extra income was desirable. The college paid $21/hr X 8 hrs/week X 36 weeks/yr = $6048 gross per year. The extra income paid for my weekend forays to the airfield to earn a private pilot's license. Teaching was fun. Flying was fun too. No complaints.

My wife works as a police/fire/911/emergency services dispatcher today. She's also a notary public and is responsible for acquiring and administering all the grants that keep the department financially solvent. She's also a certified EMT. She is currently training a new dispatcher in radio and CAD skills. All that responsibility is compensated at the princely rate of $11 per hour in our little town. The San Diego Sheriff's Office paid her $22/hr to keep 30 deputies busy, attend to the emergency communications van, train new dispatchers in phone and radio skills and handle admin/911 phone calls as necessary.

We don't need the extra income she makes at her dispatcher's job. She enjoys the job. I consider it a fallback source of income and benefits for her in case I have an unsuccessful re-run with cancer.

117 posted on 12/18/2002 10:37:40 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Phantom Lord
What are their salary ranges?

About $20,000 before taxes -- in a good year.

118 posted on 12/18/2002 4:25:20 PM PST by mrustow
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To: mrustow
Please look up "emoticon" on any available dictionary.

Elitist.
119 posted on 12/19/2002 6:19:34 AM PST by Captiva
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To: mrustow
You defend Socialism in the context of this thread, not in what I quoted. This isn't a court of law, a legal document or an Ivy League debate competition. Think a little bigger please.

Capitalism doesn't give a rat's ass about "inherited privilege". Socialism does. [ever hear the phrase "rat's ass" over the dinner table?? me thinks not ;) ]

Nice name drop, too BTW.

Have a nice life debating such finer points as grammar and spelling in web boards.... I'm off to make some money!!! [smartly, of course]
120 posted on 12/19/2002 6:28:08 AM PST by Captiva
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