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Alberta uprising feared
Sun Media ^ | December 15, 2002

Posted on 12/15/2002 1:26:39 PM PST by Clive

Premier Ralph Klein expects an uprising on the right to lead a charge for Alberta's separation from Canada.

"There are enough people who are frustrated to form a political party, but I just don't know what they are going to do, other than to mount a movement for separation," Klein told The Sun. "And yes, I am concerned about it."

Voices in favour of Alberta leaving Canada are rising, the premier said.

"I know there are people out there who want to separate. I was listening to a radio show just the other day and there was caller after caller saying, 'We should separate. We've had enough.

" 'We're being ignored, we don't count in Canada. Not only as it relates to Kyoto but the Canadian Wheat Board, gun registration, senate reform, you name it. All we do is give and give and get nothing back,' " Klein said. "I understand that frustration, and I feel the same way. But there's still hope."

Movement by Ottawa on Alberta's continuing complaints is needed, the premier said, or even some provincial Tory supporters will turn their backs on the party because it hasn't had any effect.

Alan Cruikshank, deputy leader of the Alberta Social Credit Party, said Klein is dead right.

"We are trying as a party to keep our noses clean - we haven't taken any position on separation. But we are finding that many of our members are supportive of independence," Cruikshank said.

And, he added, a burgeoning movement in that direction may not be a bad thing.

"In the past, parties that have taken a more extreme position than the Tories on things like separation have often caused the central government to take more notice of Alberta's needs. It indirectly results in a way Albertans can apply political leverage."

Peter McCormick, a political scientist at the University of Lethbridge, said it's unlikely a separatist party would have much success in Alberta's current political climate.

McCormick said the Canadian Alliance on the federal scene and the Progressive Conservatives on the provincial scene both have had recent successes.

"Why would you go for another political party?" McCormick asked.

The Alliance has had the cost of the gun control registry revealed in the House of Commons, while the Alberta PCs have kept fighting the ratification of the Kyoto accord.

"It's the easiest thing on earth to form a political party. It's the hardest thing on earth to get enough votes," said McCormick.

McCormick said it never hurts in a province to have a separatist vein, even with "vague threats" of leaving Confederation, to make other governments take you more seriously.

"It's less likely we would be taken for granted," he said.


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To: Drango
Trade you California for Alberta.

Hey, what about us California Freepers? I live in Orange County, California. My county is the most Republican district in the country.
61 posted on 12/15/2002 5:36:49 PM PST by redheadtoo
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To: Clive
Bump
62 posted on 12/15/2002 5:42:59 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: ContentiousObjector
I don't think many appreciate how deep the hatred of America among much of the Canadian population is.

Much like the hatred of a teenager for his parents.

63 posted on 12/15/2002 5:49:11 PM PST by FreedomCalls
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To: Clive
Come on in! the water's fine! just don't bring in any gun-grabbing liberals with you!
64 posted on 12/15/2002 5:51:09 PM PST by 2nd Amendment
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To: snopercod
Our founding fathers didn't do a real good job of protecting the rights of the rural minorities

What about giving small states equal representation in the Senate?

65 posted on 12/15/2002 5:53:17 PM PST by xm177e2
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I say let Alberta and Quebec go independant...then fight it out. After one side loses (Quebec, in six days) they can be annexed by the other.
66 posted on 12/15/2002 5:54:34 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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when is Canada going to get over it and stop ranting about the big US canadiEn rivlary that no one in the US knows about?
67 posted on 12/15/2002 5:59:53 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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To: jackbill
"If you want to see a socialist United States, bring them all in."

You are incorrect, sir. Most of the liberals are concentrated in the urban areas and most of the conservatives in the rural areas, just like in the US. You would find a demographic very similar to that of the US. I think you would see a conservative swing in the independent voters since 9-11 (remember liberal-Gore won the popular vote here in the US but that doesn't mean most Americans can be classified as liberals).

The problem with Canada is its system of government, not that it is overrun with liberals. The Prime Minister appoints the Senators, giving him almost dictatorial power.

If Alberta, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and BC were to join the Union it would probably result in 7 or 8 conservative directly elected Senators. The balance of the provinces would split. Parties would realign - the Rats absorbing some of the liberals and the Republicans absorbing some of the conservatives
68 posted on 12/15/2002 6:03:26 PM PST by calenel
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To: xm177e2; Clive; American Soldier; dodger; Canadian Outrage
...Cascadia...

Various proposed incarnations of this extended all the way down into northern CA.

Interestingly - since we are on this topic - prior to WW2 there was a significant movement among pissed-off southern Oregonians and pissed-off northern Californians to create The State Of Jefferson, which would strictly adhere to the letter and intent of the US Constitution. WW2 effectively ended the movement. Until the past few years anyway.

www.jeffersonstate.com

The producers are now in rebellion against the liberal parasites.

Wonderful, Wonderful.

If the American socialists continue thier 'long march', and the global elitists continue to attempt to eradicate borders in pursuit of thier failed 'globaloney' - then the people will create NEW borders.

For good or ill.

CHAOS!! ... PANDEMONIUM!!

I am (seriously) in the market for a used Bobcat with backhoe to excavate my secret underground luxury bunker. Any leads would be appreciated.

69 posted on 12/15/2002 6:39:10 PM PST by XLurk
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To: FreedomCalls
I would say it is more the hatred of a business man passing a homeless bum on the street
70 posted on 12/15/2002 6:41:03 PM PST by ContentiousObjector
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To: Malcolm
Ottawa would crush Alberta just like Lincoln crushed the Confederacy. But I doubt that the Albertans have enough guts to fire the first shots.
71 posted on 12/15/2002 6:46:31 PM PST by Edmund Burke
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To: xm177e2
My idea would be to make SF and l.a. their own nations, sort of like Singapore or San Marino. America would be of their sorry a$$es and they would be free and liberated to screw up on their own.
72 posted on 12/15/2002 6:47:31 PM PST by GOP_Raider
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To: GOP_Raider
I meant be "rid" of them....D'oh!!
73 posted on 12/15/2002 6:49:03 PM PST by GOP_Raider
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To: FreedomCalls
I don't think many appreciate how deep the hatred of America among much of the Canadian population is. Much like the hatred of a teenager for his parents.

Having kept up with politics for 20+ years, I DO know about the truth of the above statement. The absorption of any province of Canada would be a liability for both nations. The best thing for the western provinces is to form an independent nation, and then decide whatever relationship they wanted to have with the remainder of Canada and the USA. The US has all the territory we will ever need. And since this would not be unanimous in the provinces, we would have malcontents to deal with. Let Canada do whatever they want to, but the best thing for the US is to ignore Canada and her problems. The less we have to do with that nation, the better off the US will be. They have nothing to add to our great country, or otherwise they would have already added it to theirs.....

74 posted on 12/15/2002 6:55:41 PM PST by Malcolm
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To: Blue Leader
The Canadian embassy personnel did provide a safe refuge for the American personnel, but the exfiltration was a CIA operation (with Canadian cooperation). Read more here.
75 posted on 12/15/2002 7:00:59 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: claptrap
"Canada is the most useless place on earth. Inhabited by morons, governed by loons!"

Well........agree on the second part..........but you're off on the first. Canadians are a fine people, and I'm glad they're our neighbors and friends. I've done a lot of business up there. True, they have become far too brainwashed on issues like gun rights, socialized medicine, etc.........but that's all eminently fixable. They'll also give you the shirt off their back and are incredibly hospitable people........AND hard working.

I'll take the rank-and-file Canadians any day of the week, and I'll avoid labeling them for the sins of their idiotic government much as I'd hope they don't hold Bill Clinton, et al, as examples of "typical Americans".

77 posted on 12/15/2002 7:12:24 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: Drango
Ahem! We can give the Canadians Hollywierd and Berkeley. We get the income producing parts.
78 posted on 12/15/2002 7:15:10 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: SamAdams76
What makes you think that the US will still be around in one hundred years? Right now it looks like twenty more years as a soveeign nation will take a miracle.
79 posted on 12/15/2002 7:26:11 PM PST by willyone
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To: CARepubGal
We can give the Canadians Hollywierd and Berkeley.

No way! San Francisco has to go also or the deal is off.

80 posted on 12/15/2002 7:27:09 PM PST by Drango
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