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WELL SAID!

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i was talking about the troops in Fortress Monroe.

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every time i cross the Potomac into DC, i feel as i'm in a HOSTILE FOREIGN COUNTRY!

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Lincoln didn't give a damn about the slaves ... he said so himself.

Where?

"I confess that I hate to see the poor creatures hunted down down, and caught, and carried back to their stripes and unwarranted toils; but I bite my lip and keep quiet. In 1841 you and I had together a tedious low-water trip, on a Steam Boat from Louisville to St. Louis. You may remember, as I well do, that from Louisville to the mouth of the Ohio there were, on board, ten or a dozen slaves, shackled together with irons. That sight was a continual torment to me; and I see something like it every time I touch the Ohio, or any other slave-border. It is hardly fair for you to assume, that I have no such interest in a thing which has, and continually exercises, the power of making me miserable. You ought rather to appreciate how much the great body of the Northern people do crucify their feelings, in order to maintain their loyalty to the Constitution and the Union."

8/24/54

Walt

also WELL SAID!

when i last back in my home county, a "pretty black woman" ran up to me and hugged & kissed me at a local private club.

a bystander was astonished & HORRIFIED at her behavior until a friend of mine said, "that's only Margie. they played together as children. his governess & her aunt were the same woman. they're like FAMILY".

outsiders do NOT understand the southland;the damnyankees don't understand & do NOT want to understand us. to repeat an old saying "there are none blinder than those who WILL NOT see".

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every day that passes, more southron blacks cleave to the starry cross of saint andrew.

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thank you.

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VERY TRUE!

being northernborn no more makes you a damnyankee than it forces you to be a plumber.

DAMNYANKEES are HATERS & BIGOTS against all things southron.

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But the ability for a section of states (or the Federal Government) to run roughshod over any other state was never intended BY THE FOUNDERS!

'Fraid it was.

According to the Militia Act of May 2, 1792, as amended Feb 28, 1795, Sec. 2:

"And it be further enacted, That whenever the laws of the United States shall be opposed or the execution thereof obstructed, in any state, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the powers vested in the marshals by this act, it shall be lawful for the President of the United States to call forth the militia of such state to suppress such combinations, and to cause the laws to be duly executed. And if the militia of a state, where such combinations may happen, shall refuse, or be insufficient to suppress the same, it shall be lawful for the President, if the legislatures of the United States be not in session, to call forth and employ such numbers of the militia of any other state or states most convenient thereto, as may be necessary, and the use of militia, so to be called forth, may be continued, if necessary, until the expiration of thirty days after the commencement of the ensuing session."

Oh, don't forget the Judiciary Act of 1789:

"And be it further enacted, That the Supreme Court shall have exclusive jurisdiction of all controversies of a civil nature, where a state is a party, except between a state and its citizens; and except also between a state and citizens of other states, or aliens, in which latter case it shall have original but not exclusive jurisdiction."

Now unless the actions of the secessionists in ACW were in fact criminal acts (got my vote), it was a civil controversy. And since the Supreme Court has jurisdiction, no ordinance or act of secession can withstand that challenge, can it?

Walt

Lincoln didn't give a damn about the slaves ... he said so himself.

This isn't true, and here's why.

President Lincoln offered a number of colonization schemes to move blacks out of the country. The presence of blacks was clearly the cause of the war. Remove the blacks, end the war.

Logical.

Problem was twofold:

Blacks didn't want to leave.

Whites weren't willing to be taxed to pay for it even if they had been.

By the start of 1863, President Lincoln adopted a new agenda: full citizenship for blacks.

Actions speak louder than words:

Private

General Hunter

Executive Mansion

Washington D.C. April 1, 1863

My dear Sir:

I am glad to see the accounts of your colored force at Jacksonville, Florida. I see the enemy are driving at them fiercely, as is to be expected. It is mportant to the enemy that such a force shall not take shape, and grow, and thrive, in the south; and in precisely the same proportion, it is important to us that it shall. Hence the utmost caution and viglilance is necessary on our part. The enemy will make extra efforts to destroy them; and we should do the same to perserve and increase them.

Yours truly

A. Lincoln

_________________________________________________________

Hon. Andrew Johnson

Executive Mansion,

My dear Sir: Washington, March 26. 1863.

I am told you have at least thought of raising a negro military force. In my opinion the country now needs no specific thing so much as some man of your ability, and position, to go to this work. When I speak of your position, I mean that of an eminent citizen of a slave-state, and himself a slave- holder. The colored population is the great available and yet unavailed of, force for restoring the Union. The bare sight of fifty thousand armed, and drilled black soldiers on the banks of the Mississippi, would end the rebellion at once. And who doubts that we can present that sight, if we but take hold in earnest? If you have been thinking of it please do not dismiss the thought.

Yours truly

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Hon Soc of War

Executive Mansion

Washington

July 21, 1863

My Dear Sir:

I desire that a renewed and vigorous effort be made to raise colored forces along the shores of the Missippi [sic]. Please consult the General-in-chief; and if it is perceived that any acceleration of the matter can be effected, let it be done. I think the evidence is nearly conclusive that Gen. Thomas is one of the best, if not the very best, instruments for this service.

Yours truly

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Lincoln was clearly setting the stage for black citizenship.

From England:

"In the proposals for gradual emancipated compensation there was magnitude: "Mr. Lincoln has still the credit of having been first among American statesmen to rise to the situation, to strive that reconstruction shall not mean a new lease for human bondage." The President's paragraph was quoted having the lines; "Fellow-citizens, we cannot escape history. The fiery trial through which we pass will light us down in honor or dishonor to the latest generation," as though this had the attractive "dreamy vastness" that brought from the English commentator the abrupt sentence "The thoughts of the man are too big for his mouth."

Greeley and others could not resist the impact of some judgments pronounced on Lincoln abroad. Greeley did not accept these judgments. He questioned them sharply. He saw, however, that they had significance and they were of historic quality. Under the heading "Mr. Lincoln in Europe" the New York Tribune of January 10, 1863, reprinted from the Edinburgh Mercury:

“In Mr. Lincoln’s message, we appreciate the calm thoughtfulness so different from the rowdyism we have been accustomed to receive from Washington. He is strong in the justice his cause and the power of his people. He speaks without acerbity even of the rebels who have brought so much calamity upon the country, but we believe that if the miscreants of the Confederacy -were brought to him today, Mr. Lincoln would bid them depart and try to be better and braver men in the future. When we recollect the raucous hate in this country toward the Indian rebels, "we feel humiliated that this 'rail splitter' from Illinois should show himself so superior to the mass of monarchical statesmen.

"Mr. Lincoln's brotherly kindness, truly father of his country, kindly merciful, lenient even to a fault, is made the sport and butt of all the idle literary buffoons of England. The day will come when the character and career of Abraham Lincoln will get justice in this country and his assailants will show their shame for the share they took in lampooning so brave and noble a man, who in a fearful crisis possessed his soul in patience, trusting in God. ‘Truly’, Mr. Lincoln speaks, 'the fiery trial through which we pass will light us down in honor or dishonor to the latest generation.' There is little doubt what the verdict of future generations will be of Abraham Lincoln.

"Before two years of his administration has been completed, he has reversed the whole constitutional attitude of America on the subject of Slavery; he has saved the territories from the unhallowed grasp of the slave power; he has purged the accursed institution from the Congressional District; he has hung a slave trader in New York, the nest of slave pirates; he has held out the right hand of fellowship to the negro Republicans of Liberia and Hayri; he has joined Great Britain in endeavoring to sweep the slave trade from the coast of Africa! There can be no doubt of the verdict of posterity on such acts as these.

Within the light of the 'fiery trial' of which Mr. Lincoln speaks, another light shines clear and refulgent—the torch of freedom—to which millions of poor slaves now look with eager hope."

--Abraham Lincoln, The War Years, Vol. II, pp.331-333, by Carl Sandburg

"My ancestors and relatives fought with Francis Marion in the Revolutionary War, and they've fought in every other war this country has been involved in since the Revolution."

Amelia, are you related to Forrest Gump in any way???

Amelia, are you related to Forrest Gump in any way???

Honeychile, you need to get out more. Forrest Gump was a fictional character.

Otherwise, he would probably be my 5th cousin twice removed.

Wlat, read my post 331 again. Yo eyes muss be goin' bad. I did not say these men did not support the Constitution. I revere the Constitution. However, simply the fact the Constitution exists, and particularly the Bill of Rights, is proof that our founding fathers did not support a "coercive" government. The Bill of Rights limits the powers of government, not people. You can cut and paste all you like, that fact is indisputable.

Whiskey PP

ROFL!

Can you quote a single person from the ACW era who called the EP "protection" for slavery?

Can you name a single person who was freed by the "emancipation" proclamation?

The EP freed slaves only in the rebel states where the federal government had no jurisdiction. Slave ownership in the union states was still protected by the United States Constitution.

Thomas Jefferson on the Constitution:

What I disapproved from the first moment, also, was the want of a bill of rights to guard liberty against the legislative as well as the executive branches of the government; that is to say, to secure freedom in religion, freedom of the press, freedom from monopolies, freedom from unlawful imprisonment, freedom from a permanent military, and a trial by jury, in all cases determinable by the laws of the land. I disapproved, also, the perpetual reeligibility of the President. To these points of disapprobation I adhere.
Source: The Writings of Thomas Jefferson: Being His Autobiography, Correspondence, Reports, Messages, Addresses, and Other Writings, Official and Private, H.A. Washington, ed., 1853-1854, 9 vols.

The EP freed slaves only in the rebel states where the federal government had no jurisdiction. Slave ownership in the union states was still protected by the United States Constitution.

How True! Also, seldom mentioned are all the "exclusions" (including entire CSA and Union states, as well as occupied portions of other CSA states) Lincoln attached to the document. Congress tried to remedy those deliberate ommissions with a provision attached to the Wade-Davis bill of 1864 that stated "...all persons held to involuntary servitude...in the [seceded] states...are hereby emancipated and discharged therefrom, and they and their posterity shall be forever free." Lincoln VETOED the bill, claiming that provision as one of the reasons. And yet we still teach our children the great LIE about the "emancipation" proclamation and the "great emancipator" Lincoln.

Can you quote a single person from the ACW era who called the EP "protection" for slavery?
Can you name a single person who was freed by the "emancipation" proclamation?

Sophistry.

Of the EP, President Lincoln wrote:

"I was, in my best judgment, driven to the alternative of either surrendering the Union, and with it the Constitution, or of laying strong hand upon the colored element. I chose the latter. In choosing it, I hoped for greater gain than loss; but of this, I was not entirely confident. More than a year of trial now shows no loss by it in our foreign relations, none in our home popular sentiment, none in our white military force, no loss any how or any where. On the contrary, it shows a gain of quite one hundred and thirty thousand soldiers, seamen and laborers. These are palpable facts, about which there can be no cavilling. We have the men; and we could not have them without the measure.

...I add a word which was not in the verbal conversation. In telling this tale I attempt no compliment to my own sagacity. I claim not to have controlled events, but confess plainly that events have controlled me. Now, at the end of three years struggle the Nation's condition is not what either party, or any man devised, or expected. God alone can claim it. Whither it is tending seems plain. If God now wills the removal of a great wrong, and wills also that we of the North as well as you of the South, shall pay for our complicity in that wrong, impartial history will find therein new cause to attest and revere the justice and goodness of God."

4/4/64

And:

"More than that, however as 1865 approached, Lincoln was ready to look beyond the enlistment of Negro soldiers. As early as January 1864, he discussed what should be done at the close of the war, especially with regard to the former Confederates. He envisioned, as did most men of reason, a universal amnesty as the best and fastest way to start healing. But as he added that he could not see any way to allow universal forgiveness to the foe without at the same time granting universal suffrage, "or, at least, suffrage based on intelligence and military service." In short, that meant that a black man who fought for his country had a right to vote in it as well.

The Negro regiments had fought and bled and died toe to toe with their white counterparts in saving the nation. He saw it as his moral obligation to recognize that "they had demonstrated in blood their right to the ballot, which is but the humane protection of the flag they had so feircely defended." Restoration of the Union, in sum, would have to bring with it civil and political equality. "When you give the Negro these rights," he said, "when you put a gun in his hands, it prophesies something more: it foretells that he is to have the full enjoyment of his liberty and his manhood." Just how far Lincoln would have pressed enfranchisement for his black soldiers would have to remain a mystery."

Lincoln's Men P. 164-165 by William C. Davis

I think you probably hate standing in line behind a black person, but that isn't president Lincoln's fault.

Walt

The EP freed slaves only in the rebel states where the federal government had no jurisdiction.

I am afraid you are mistaken. Federal control has never been relinquished in any state even for a minute, and certainly not to that clown act based in Richmond during the ACW.

Walt

I am afraid you are mistaken.

No I'm not.