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Mall boots kiosk selling Confederate flag clothing
TuscaloosaNews ^ | December 13, 2002 | AP

Posted on 12/13/2002 4:04:26 PM PST by stainlessbanner

The manager of a Mobile mall has evicted a merchant selling clothing with Confederate battle flag designs, citing complaints from people angered by the merchandise.

The merchant, Camo Unlimited, opened a kiosk in Colonial Mall Bel Air just after Thanksgiving. The Blountsville-based company sells Dixie Outfitters clothing at the Mobile mall and at other malls throughout the Southeast, owner Toby Smith said.

Dixie Outfitters offers more than 600 designs with themes such as hunting, trucks and dogs, all including the stars and bars of the Confederate battle flag. The clothing line's "Legends of the Confederacy" series features generals and other leaders of the Confederacy.

Smith said that soon after he opened the kiosk, employees of another store at the mall complained. Soon afterward, the mall's management told him to clear out by Sunday.

Tim Nolan, the mall's general manager, said he heard from several people who indicated the store could spur a boycott of the mall.

"May I remind you that blacks and other minorities constitute a major portion of consumers who patronize Colonial Bel Air Mall," chapter president Lettie Malone wrote in a Dec. 5 letter to Nolan.

"They should not be embarrassed or made to feel uncomfortable by those who are still fighting and trying to revive a war that never should have been a part of our civilized society."

The state president of the NAACP, the Rev. R.L. Shanklin, said the group never had plans for a boycott, and that he would have to approve any boycott carried out by the organization.

Nevertheless, Nolan said the mall was in an "emotionally charged controversy that we didn't want to be in the middle of."

"There was going to be no easy decision," he told the Mobile Register. "Certainly customers are disappointed that we took them out. Customers would have been disappointed had we left them in."

Asked whether he thought his clothing was offensive, Dixie Outfitters owner Dewey Barber said, "We certainly don't put any designs out there that we feel are offensive to anyone."

Dixie Outfitters' Web site has links and news stories about the Battle Flag, and in a section called "Our Mission" it states:

"The truth about the Confederate Flag is that it has nothing to do with racism or hate. The Civil War was not fought over slavery or racism. We at Dixie Outfitters are trying to tell the real truth via our art and products in regards to the Confederate Flag."

Ben George, head of a local Sons of Confederate Veterans camp, said he was considering a protest against the eviction.


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KEYWORDS: confederateflag; dixie; dixielist; dixieoutfitters; heritage; honor; kiosk; mall; shirts; south
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To: Bluntpoint
Like the guy who posted above, real men, when they are in a large enough group, cloaked in the proper white linens, use the full blown word.

So are you one of those "real men" who wears "the proper white linens"?

Is there room in your new south for a free black man to be your neighbor?

One of my neighbors happens to be a free black man as a matter of fact. We're kind of new in the neighborhood, but I haven't noticed anyone protesting, picketing, or lighting crosses on his lawn.

141 posted on 12/14/2002 3:33:59 PM PST by Amelia
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To: Amelia
Well thanks for the answer.

You are the only one.

God bless you.

"So are you one of those "real men" who wears "the proper white linens"?"

You read my other posts. You already know the answer.

My stance is clear. Others on this forum ran from the question. Why do you think that is?

Did you question their motives?

Did you link to their posts that may have shown a pattern of their thinking?

No.

Isn't that a reflection of your heart, Amelia?

Again, spare me your empty incredulousness.


142 posted on 12/14/2002 3:43:07 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: Bluntpoint; mhking
"I will ask you, since none of your sisters and brothers here have the moxy to answer the question:

"Is there room in your new south for a free black man to be your neighbor?"

One fact you and other Northerners always fail to realize while in the middle of your "All Southerners are racist" rants is we actually live and co-exist with blacks. I noticed that you stated in an earlier post that there weren't many black people in the Indiana county you live in.

It may surprise you to know in the West Georgia county(Douglas co,25 miles west of Atlanta). I grew up in and currently live in, I went to school with, played ball with, went to church with, ate supper with, hung out with black kids. Derek Caldwell, Greg Washington, Percy Williams, Eric Kelly and Tisha Johnson,Stacy Danley(Starting tailback Auburn University 86-89).My neighbors on one side are black. My subdivision is about 30% black.

Our fellow freeper mhking, is a black conservative that I very proudly call neighbor.

Does it surprise you to know this?

143 posted on 12/14/2002 3:44:00 PM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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To: viligantcitizen
My first post on this thread:


I am all for freedom of speech. That said, my personal experience here, in SE Indiana, with anyone flying these flags, bumper stickers, etc, has been that they are all big time racists. I am talking, to a person. They seem to like to refer to blacks as "Gars."

Again, before I am flamed, this is just my personal experience.

That said. Let freedom ring.



Viligantcitizen

I am the one who was called damnyankee, etc. Note I was clear to point out that I was not talking about any thing further than Southern Indiana.



144 posted on 12/14/2002 3:55:08 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: viligantcitizen
Would that suprise you to know this?
145 posted on 12/14/2002 3:56:06 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: viligantcitizen
"One fact you and other Northerners always fail to realize"

Maybe you are the one generalizing how people react in regions different than your own.

Have a good day.
146 posted on 12/14/2002 3:59:10 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: Bluntpoint
Are you one those itching to tell me that everyone, including the black man, was happier under segregation? It was a simpler and sedate time?

I was a child during segregation, and I remember when the South was forced to integrate the schools. All I can tell you is what a white child saw.

I saw that people complained about it where I lived, including the black people, because they felt they were losing their schools and part of their communities and heritage.

But I also saw that even though everyone complained, the change happened relatively peacefully, and we were all amazed at the riots that occurred when the schools in Boston - UP NORTH! - were integrated, and we were all amazed that our schools were integrated sooner than, and more peacefully than theirs were.

You'd have to ask someone who was raised black in the South if it was better and more peaceful for them. I don't know that the answer would be "black and white" and I think in part the answer would depend on where in the South they lived and what part of life you were talking about, but I think on the whole things are better now.

I remember the "white only" and "colored only" restrooms and water fountains, and how the "need" for such always confused me as a child. I can tell you other things that weren't right, but things are not that way now.

147 posted on 12/14/2002 4:06:45 PM PST by Amelia
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To: Amelia
Amelia, bless you.

Please read all my post above. I did not come into this with feelings one way or another about regions. My posts are about people.

When I was posting about people in Indiana, I was told somehow I don't like the southerners. I think that was you.

148 posted on 12/14/2002 4:22:14 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: Bluntpoint
For the record, I came from a extremely prejudiced, cracker family. Northern family.
149 posted on 12/14/2002 4:25:34 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: Bluntpoint
Isn't that a reflection of your heart, Amelia?

Is it? I was raised in the South, and our hearts are complicated things. We in the South were the ones who lost, the ones who are denigrated by the rest of the world for being racist and backwards and marrying our cousins. We're the only people it's still politically correct to make fun of.

I think perhaps the popularity of the Dixie Outfitters line down here is in part a reaction to all that. I have no idea why such things would be popular in Indiana.

My ancestors and relatives fought with Francis Marion in the Revolutionary War, and they've fought in every other war this country has been involved in since the Revolution. My grandfather's great-grandfather argued against secession, but when the South seceded anyway, his boys went and fought for the South - should I be ashamed of my ancestors who were Confederate soldiers?

150 posted on 12/14/2002 4:25:51 PM PST by Amelia
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To: Bluntpoint
I did get the impression from your posts that you were one of those who thought we were all racist, backwards, and incestuous. If I'm wrong, I apologize.
151 posted on 12/14/2002 4:27:57 PM PST by Amelia
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To: Amelia
No. A brave soldier is a brave soldier. Soldiers do not get to pick and choose the battles politicians force them into.
152 posted on 12/14/2002 4:28:07 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: stainlessbanner
"I have a Dream",
"that one day there will be a congressional Black caucus",
"that there will be a Miss Black America paegent",
"that my children will be able to watch Black entertainment television",
"and that they'll someday kick some craker's *ss out of a mall for selling confederate flag merchandise, a symbol of racism and all the evils associated with segregation.......... say man, this ain't the speech I prepared! Where the h*ll did this come from?"
153 posted on 12/14/2002 4:28:54 PM PST by budwiesest
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To: Bluntpoint
"Maybe you are the one generalizing how people react in regions different than your own."

Err...After stating in an earlier post that you lived in a mostly white, rural Indiana county, you asked the question," Is there room in the new south for black people?"

What generalization of Southerners did you use in asking that question?

Pot....kettle...

154 posted on 12/14/2002 4:30:42 PM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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To: Amelia
Read my posts. See who was singled out for the part of the country he was from. Me. Damn yankee. Scalawag. This was when I was talking about things in home town and region.

Again, My first post on this thread:


I am all for freedom of speech. That said, my personal experience here, in SE Indiana, with anyone flying these flags, bumper stickers, etc, has been that they are all big time racists. I am talking, to a person. They seem to like to refer to blacks as "Gars."

Again, before I am flamed, this is just my personal experience.

That said. Let freedom ring.

155 posted on 12/14/2002 4:31:55 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: viligantcitizen
Read all the posts. That was after a slew of yankee this and scalawag that. When I was discussing about my home town, in Indiana. Maybe you all need to understand, that I, like others, don't see regions at all when it comes to this country.

I was stationed in the south, while in the military. It seemed like Indiana to me. Maybe its time for you to lose your xenophobia. I had no idea that this was going to smolder into some north/south debate.

Read my post, I entered into this discussion as a freedom of speech debate. I was for the flags.

Pot, back to you.
156 posted on 12/14/2002 4:40:09 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: Bluntpoint
That said. Let freedom ring.
157 posted on 12/14/2002 4:42:11 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: stand watie
sadly, during my 20 years as an officer in the army...

What? You spent 20 years in the Yankee army? What kind of carpetbagging, scalawag traitor are you?

158 posted on 12/14/2002 4:44:17 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Now don't you start.
159 posted on 12/14/2002 4:45:14 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: Bluntpoint
(*sigh*) OK, I'll be good.
160 posted on 12/14/2002 4:50:37 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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