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Policy resolved on origin of life
Cleveland Plain Dealer ^ | 12/11/2002 | Scott Stephens

Posted on 12/11/2002 3:19:35 PM PST by jennyp

Columbus - The State Board of Education yesterday unanimously adopted a set of science standards that makes Ohio the first state to require students to examine criticisms of biological evolution.

But board members also agreed to a last-minute disclaimer stating that their action should not be construed as support for the controversial concept of intelligent design, the idea that life had to be guided by a higher power.

Without the disclaimer, at least a half-dozen board members had intended to vote against the standards because they feared it would give schools a green light to bring religion and philosophy into science classes.

The compromise effectively ends a tumultuous, yearlong debate on how to best teach the origin and development of life.

That debate made Ohio the flashpoint in a battle between supporters and critics of Charles Darwin's theory that life evolved through natural processes - a battle that has raged since the "monkey trial" of biology teacher John Scopes 77 years ago.

"Clearly, it was being misrepresented by adults fighting their own battles and using these standards to fight their own battles," said board member Joseph Roman of Fairview Park, who introduced the disclaimer the board adopted yesterday.

The state academic standards don't dictate what local school districts teach, but they provide a powerful incentive by outlining what students must know by the time they graduate. While intelligent design will not be on the new 10th-grade graduation tests, evolution will.

Local districts that decide to teach intelligent design also could face a legal challenge, said Christine Link, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Ohio. She said intelligent design is a form of creationism, and courts have ruled that teaching creationism is unconstitutional in public schools.

"If any school district implements the teaching of intelligent design, the ACLU will act swiftly," Link said. "Our concern is this gives local districts a false green light."

Board members traveled here Sunday sharply divided on how to come to grips with the issue. The disclaimer that emerged resulted from an 11th-hour compromise fashioned by board members Martha Wise of Avon - a staunch evolutionist - and Deborah Owens Fink of Richfield, who led the charge to bring evolution alternatives to Ohio classrooms.

"Neither side got what they wanted, totally," Wise said. "But this is a win-win."

Stephen Meyer of the pro-intelligent design Discovery Institute in Seattle, called the board's action "historic." Already, intelligent design organizers have set up shop in New Mexico, which will soon be drafting its own science standards.

"This represents an important milestone in the effort to ensure that students learn the full range of relevent scientific evidence," Meyer said.

But the disclaimer satisfied most evolutionists.

"The board made a clear statement and said 'no' to pseudo-science," said Patricia Princehouse, a Case Western Reserve University professor and a board member of Ohio Citizens for Science.

The new standards will help Ohio recover from the black eye it received two years ago when a national study gave it a failing grade for not even mentioning evolution in its science standards. Retired California physicist Lawrence Lerner, who headed the study, said Ohio would have received an 'A' this time had it not made a point of singling out evolution for critical analysis. Instead, it will get a 'B' or a 'C,' " he said yesterday.

"Ohio has the opportunity of leaping from the bottom of the heap to a par with excellent state standards," Lerner said. "The compromise would place Ohio in the mediocre middle."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: creationism; crevolist; education; evolution; ohio; schools
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To: demosthenes the elder; annflounder
Nobody has ever observed macroevolution...

Perhaps because no one has ever managed to remain alive for the millions of years required to do so? Hrmnn? Yet microbiological evolution has been observed, even forced. One could make the argument that the various breeds of livestock humans have crafted over generations of selective breeding illustrate the principles of natural speciation, in fast-forward.

Better than that. "Macroevolution" is, by definition, evolution at (or beyond) the species level. Any event leading to the origination of new species is "macroevolution," and some instances of speciation have been observed, or can be securely inferred to recently occured. Therefore "macroevolution" has actually been observed:

Observed Instances of Speciation

Some More Observed Speciation Events

41 posted on 12/12/2002 11:04:40 AM PST by Stultis
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To: jennyp
"They have... lost(link)---a big one."

"They're like Napoleon's army in Moscow. They have occupied a lot of territory, and they think they've won the war. And yet they are very exposed in a hostile climate with a population that's very much unfriendly."

"That's the case with the Darwinists in the United States. The majority of the people are skeptical of the theory. And if the theory starts to waver a bit, it could all collapse, as Napoleon's army did in a rout."

43 posted on 12/12/2002 11:11:55 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: Aric2000
Do you know of bfskinner...

the great behavior-determinist---you remind me of him!

He raised his daughter in a box and she killed herself!

He was also famous for using pigeons to guide missles!
45 posted on 12/12/2002 11:48:32 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: nanrod
If macroevolution were possible, the fruit fly experiments in the early 1900s would have produced it, and they didn't.

Yes they did, and multiple examples are cited right in the file you declared, apparently without inspection, to be "B.S." Here are a couple instances in which complete reprodutive isolation (the criteria of speciation) was acheived. (Others merely acheived statistically significant assortive mating):

5.3.1 Drosophila paulistorum Dobzhansky and Pavlovsky (1971) reported a speciation event that occurred in a laboratory culture of Drosophila paulistorum sometime between 1958 and 1963. The culture was descended from a single inseminated female that was captured in the Llanos of Colombia. In 1958 this strain produced fertile hybrids when crossed with conspecifics of different strains from Orinocan. From 1963 onward crosses with Orinocan strains produced only sterile males. Initially no assortative mating or behavioral isolation was seen between the Llanos strain and the Orinocan strains. Later on Dobzhansky produced assortative mating (Dobzhansky 1972).

5.3.5 Sympatric Speciation in Drosophila melanogaster In a series of papers (Rice 1985, Rice and Salt 1988 and Rice and Salt 1990) Rice and Salt presented experimental evidence for the possibility of sympatric speciation. They started from the premise that whenever organisms sort themselves into the environment first and then mate locally, individuals with the same habitat preferences will necessarily mate assortatively. They established a stock population of D. melanogaster with flies collected in an orchard near Davis, California. Pupae from the culture were placed into a habitat maze. Newly emerged flies had to negotiate the maze to find food. The maze simulated several environmental gradients simultaneously. The flies had to make three choices of which way to go. The first was between light and dark (phototaxis). The second was between up and down (geotaxis). The last was between the scent of acetaldehyde and the scent of ethanol (chemotaxis). This divided the flies among eight habitats. The flies were further divided by the time of day of emergence. In total the flies were divided among 24 spatio-temporal habitats.

They next cultured two strains of flies that had chosen opposite habitats. One strain emerged early, flew upward and was attracted to dark and acetaldehyde. The other emerged late, flew downward and was attracted to light and ethanol. Pupae from these two strains were placed together in the maze. They were allowed to mate at the food site and were collected. Eye color differences between the strains allowed Rice and Salt to distinguish between the two strains. A selective penalty was imposed on flies that switched habitats. Females that switched habitats were destroyed. None of their gametes passed into the next generation. Males that switched habitats received no penalty. After 25 generations of this mating tests showed reproductive isolation between the two strains. Habitat specialization was also produced.

They next repeated the experiment without the penalty against habitat switching. The result was the same -- reproductive isolation was produced. They argued that a switching penalty is not necessary to produce reproductive isolation. Their results, they stated, show the possibility of sympatric speciation.


46 posted on 12/12/2002 12:09:13 PM PST by Stultis
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To: nanrod
Sounds like the guy missed his calling by about half a century; he should have been Hitler's minister of science.

Godwin invoked. You've just conceded the argument.
47 posted on 12/12/2002 12:15:20 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: PatrickHenry
You are obviously not using the proper definition of a 'conservative'. According to one Creationist definition of 'conservative', accepting evolution as the best scientific explanation for the origin of species automatically makes you a liberal.
48 posted on 12/12/2002 12:22:30 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
You are obviously not using the proper definition of a 'conservative'.

When you deal with creationists, all definitions are subject to drastic modifications to suit their purposes. A "Christian" is a creationist. A "conservative" is a creationist. A "patriot" is a creationist. A "good person" is a creationist. A "scientist" is a creationist. If you're not a creationist, then according to their definitions, you're none of the above-defined terms. That's why it's impossible to debate with a creationist.

49 posted on 12/12/2002 12:58:01 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: f.Christian
>>He raised his daughter in a box and she killed herself! <<

Atypically coherent, but nonetheless incorrect: http://www.snopes.com/science/skinner.htm
50 posted on 12/12/2002 12:58:23 PM PST by Iota
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To: Iota
Pfft. Why is it that the evolutionist side always insists upon using "facts" and "reality", as though "truth" has any bearing on whether or not Skinner really did such things?
52 posted on 12/12/2002 1:05:06 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
Behaviorism and evolution are trivia ideologies...quackery!
53 posted on 12/12/2002 1:18:18 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: PatrickHenry
As for linking evolution to politics -- I don't know.

Never heard of social darwinism...marx---ayn rand??

54 posted on 12/12/2002 1:25:26 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
As usual you are just plain out there, facts are myth and myths are facts. You are so typical of the closeminded Christian fanatics. Too funny.

Try again please, and if you do not have a clue of what I speak, please see post #50, directed right at you.

You need to read something other then your bible, you might actually learn something. Oops, that's right, can't have that!!
55 posted on 12/12/2002 1:33:04 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: Aric2000
Oh I could be wrong about trivia...you're wrong about everything---TRUTH!
56 posted on 12/12/2002 1:35:32 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
Poor FChristian, did they forget your medication again?

Tell them that they need to up the dosage a bit.
57 posted on 12/12/2002 1:37:10 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: Aric2000
Elvis presley science...too many uppers for you!
58 posted on 12/12/2002 1:38:56 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: Aric2000
lop sided goof ball science...evolution---you!
59 posted on 12/12/2002 1:47:20 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: PatrickHenry
When you deal with creationists, all definitions are subject to drastic modifications to suit their purposes. A "Christian" is a creationist. A "conservative" is a creationist. A "patriot" is a creationist. A "good person" is a creationist. A "scientist" is a creationist. If you're not a creationist, then according to their definitions, you're none of the above-defined terms. That's why it's impossible to debate with a creationist.

Then comes the real stunner: "There are no creationists!"

60 posted on 12/12/2002 1:47:22 PM PST by VadeRetro
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