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California Dems looking to change state constitution to raise taxes...

Posted on 12/09/2002 8:28:45 PM PST by BurbankKarl

GOP lawmakers warned against taxes State chairman says 'yes' vote risks recall

Lynda Gledhill and Greg Lucas, Chronicle Sacramento Bureau Tuesday, December 10, 2002 Sacramento -- Presaging a possible early budget impasse, the chairman of the state Republican Party said Monday that any GOP lawmaker who votes for a tax increase will be subject to an immediate recall campaign.

The threat came as legislators began a special session to deal with the state's budget shortfall and prompted some Democratic lawmakers to start proposing ways to go directly to voters with budget solutions.

Last week, Gov. Gray Davis recommended $10.2 billion in cuts and other savings in an attempt to begin to tackle a budget shortfall that is expected to exceed $21 billion over the next 18 months.

Lawmakers met briefly Monday to open their special session, but said no decisions will be made until after Davis presents his proposed 2003-2004 budget on Jan. 10. Democrats say tax increases need to be considered along with spending cuts.

Shawn Steel, outgoing head of the GOP, said Republicans are more firmly committed to their anti-tax principles now that all of the GOP members who voted for previous Davis budgets are out of office.

"They have been turned out by the Republican Party," he told the Sacramento Press Club.

Steel, who said he will remain active in the party and stay on the state GOP board, said he would personally lead recall campaigns against members who vote to raise taxes.

"This is my pledge. Any Republican member who votes . . . for a tax increase -- this party will start an effort to recall that person, and he or she be out of office in 180 days," he said.

LESS SPENDING VS. MORE TAXES In California, budget-related votes require two-thirds approval, which means Democrats need some GOP members to offer their support.

Republicans have held steadfast in their opposition to tax increases, while Democrats say there is no way to cut the budget enough to make up for the shortfall.

"It is a spending problem," said Sen. Tom McClintock, R-Northridge. "We've had a 22 percent increase in inflation and population combined. We've had 28 percent growth in revenues, which means it's not a revenue problem. We've had a 36 percent increase in spending."

But the Republicans may find themselves under increasing pressure from voters in their districts if the cuts start to affect programs, said UC Berkeley political science Professor Bruce Cain.

"Now Republicans in the Legislature may have to deal with the fact that people in their districts are having their school class size increase or school programs ended, or standing in long DMV lines," he said.

The cuts outlined by Davis would take $3.1 billion out of school spending over 18 months, leading education groups to warn that 35,000 workers, such as nurses or counselors, would have to be laid off.

Also taking a hit would be transportation projects, cost-of-living adjustments for the elderly, state aid for the blind and disabled, and dental care for poor California adults.

GOING TO THE VOTERS Democratic lawmakers said they are beginning to explore other ways of getting tax increases approved.

Senate President Pro Tem John Burton, D-San Francisco, suggested he might propose an initiative to raise taxes, getting the measure on the ballot by gathering signatures.

"This is not a way to run government," he said. "We hope the Republicans will come to their senses, which is something that if the past record is any indication, you've got to bet against."

Assemblyman John Longville, D-Rialto (San Bernardino County), has introduced a constitutional amendment that would end the ability of a handful of GOP lawmakers to block passage of a budget.

Longville's proposal, which would need voter approval, would allow lawmakers to pass a budget and raise taxes if necessary with a majority vote instead of the two-thirds vote now required.

"Reality is that the Legislature does not have the ability to adopt a budget unless the majority is willing to appeal to the most extreme segment of the Republicans," Longville said. "With 120 members, it's still possible for eight legislators to block the budget."

Longville's plan also would cut off lawmakers' pay and their tax-free per diem if they don't pass a budget on time.

Neither Burton's nor Longville's proposal could be voted on until the next general election in 2004, unless Davis calls a special election.


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1 posted on 12/09/2002 8:28:45 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl
Shawn Steel, outgoing head of the GOP, said Republicans are more firmly committed to their anti-tax principles now that all of the GOP members who voted for previous Davis budgets are out of office.

"They have been turned out by the Republican Party," he told the Sacramento Press Club.

Steel, who said he will remain active in the party and stay on the state GOP board, said he would personally lead recall campaigns against members who vote to raise taxes.


GO Shawn!! Go GOP!!
2 posted on 12/09/2002 8:37:47 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: BurbankKarl
since when has a pesky constitution ever gotten in the way of the Dems.
3 posted on 12/09/2002 8:38:00 PM PST by Husker24
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To: BurbankKarl
"Also taking a hit ...would be cost-of-living adjustments for the elderly.."

Say What???!!!

You mean California has its OWN Social Security Program?

4 posted on 12/09/2002 8:41:24 PM PST by spectre
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To: BurbankKarl
It's time we rise up, organize and slap these public officials down, but hard. If it takes a recall in every district in the state, these bastards should be held accountable.

There are things we can do. We should be doing it!

5 posted on 12/09/2002 8:43:20 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Husker24
In Pennsylvania, we're wondering if our new Democratic governor Ed Rendell will move to raise taxes.
6 posted on 12/09/2002 8:46:12 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: BurbankKarl
The cuts outlined by Davis would take $3.1 billion out of school spending over 18 months, leading education groups to warn that 35,000 workers, such as nurses or counselors, would have to be laid off.

I gotta see this...........

7 posted on 12/09/2002 9:05:19 PM PST by jdontom
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To: DoughtyOne
"It's time we rise up, organize and slap these public officials down, but hard. If it takes a recall in every district in the state, these bastards should be held accountable"

you're kiddin'??? this has been tried several times. guess who counts the votes? guess how many recall petitions get lost in the mail?
vote with your feet. leave kalifornica....let em drown in debt n mexicans.....

8 posted on 12/09/2002 9:05:22 PM PST by hoot2
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"In Pennsylvania, we're wondering if our new Democratic governor Ed Rendell will move to raise taxes. "

wonder no more...
listen to "quinn n rose" on wrrk radio www.warroom.com

9 posted on 12/09/2002 9:08:09 PM PST by hoot2
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To: hoot2
Right on, Hoot !! We left Coronado for Bullhead City, AZ last year...and only wish we had done it sooner. No Mexican flags in our City Parks; and my gun rack in the truck is for real !!

Nice to drive down the Parkway...and see a only a car or two every mile; and gas is a modest $1.21 a gallon. Come on over!!

Kindest regards, DKP (an original freeper)
10 posted on 12/09/2002 9:40:37 PM PST by dk/coro
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To: BurbankKarl
"It is a spending problem," said Sen. Tom McClintock, R-Northridge.

"We've had a 22 percent increase in inflation and population combined.

We've had 28 percent growth in revenues, which means it's not a revenue problem.

We've had a 36 percent increase in spending."

LET CALIFORNIA GO BROKE AS THEY WILL NOT CUT ANY WHERE
11 posted on 12/09/2002 9:49:04 PM PST by Kay Soze
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To: BurbankKarl
> "This is my pledge. Any Republican member who votes . . . for a tax increase -- this party will start an effort to recall that person, and he or she be out of office in 180 days," he said.

It'd be nice if that meant something. Seems to me, a recall, while easy enough to get on the ballot, still needs approval of the voters. Suppose 90% of Republicans go along, how many Democrats will vote to oust a kindhearted RINO who voted to give money to starving children? I don't know how often the recall is used in California and what it's success rate is, but in Oregon it is extremely difficult to get the voters to approve a recall. Success rate is near zero. I like the tough talk, but it's hardly meaningful here. Gotta be realistic about that, the other side isn't threatened by this in the least.

Dave in Eugene
12 posted on 12/09/2002 9:52:11 PM PST by Clinging Bitterly
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To: BurbankKarl
Looks like California will not be the largest state in the Union come the 2010 Census.
13 posted on 12/09/2002 9:53:17 PM PST by Kuksool
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To: Ciexyz
In Pennsylvania, we're wondering if our new Democratic governor Ed Rendell will move to raise taxes.

We are?
No, for the past six months Ed has promised that he won't raise taxes, and now that he has been elected in a landslide, he will hold firm on his promise. Ed Rendell is a man of his word.
Unless, of course, you think Ed Rendell is a lying scumbag.

14 posted on 12/09/2002 10:11:01 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: BurbankKarl
"With 120 members, it's still possible for eight legislators to block the budget."

SO?!?!? With a one member majority in the US Senate, the Democrats blocked everything!!
15 posted on 12/09/2002 10:29:42 PM PST by dmanLA
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To: BurbankKarl
Nothing wrong with 50 people to a class as long as they learn.
How about going to court to activate ALL of Prop 187 and get the illegals off of all the freebees. Welfare, housing, education and non-emergency medical care.

Stop that and it will balance quickly. (I think anyway)
16 posted on 12/09/2002 10:37:34 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: BurbankKarl
"Reality is that the Legislature does not have the ability to adopt a budget unless the majority is willing to appeal to the most extreme segment of the Republicans," Longville said. "With 120 members, it's still possible for eight legislators to block the budget."

And that's how a democratic system works, Mr. Longville.

17 posted on 12/09/2002 10:52:04 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: hoot2
We can stop them before they take my state or after they take yours.
18 posted on 12/09/2002 11:59:42 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
Gotta love that two-thirds vote protection from the big spenders in Sacramento. They spent this state into bankruptcy and now the spendaholics want a license to spend even more. Its like taking out a second credit line on a maxed-out credit card on which you're still paying interest. Now that's what I call Democratic fiscal sanity, California-style!!!
19 posted on 12/10/2002 1:16:03 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
It takes a special person to be a Democrat these days.
20 posted on 12/11/2002 2:28:00 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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