Let’s Talk About Paternity Fraud: What’s Going On?

Parents Against Paternity Fraud ^ | Dr. Damon Adams

[BuddhaBoy]

It appears that there is a lot of information on this subject. While I dont intend to become another Willie Green, I think this is an important topic. I am glad that more and more people are starting to pay attention to what is happening out there.

[Protagoras]

Rights apply to all people, not just some people. Laws on this subject are just as stupid and illegitimate as most other laws.

[End The Hypocrisy]

Here's a website that one deceived dad fairly recently launched:

http://www.paternityfraud.com

His appeal wasn't granted certiorari by the U.S. Supreme Court, but with a Republican Congress maybe a just outcome can result.

[BuddhaBoy]

I will be launching my own site in January; "www.dontmarryher.com". I'm not kidding. There is no other way to combat this and other judicial system abuses of men in our current society.

[Tacis]

The dems will fight this with every breath in their corrupt bodies.

Clearly, there can be no fraud because it was the evil male who used deception to get in the innocent and naive female's knickers in the first place.

Secondly, DNA evidence is to be used only in opposition to the death penalty to prove the innocence of blacks on death row. Any other use is dicey.

Next, we simply can't be in the business of questioning "single moms" (God bless 'em) in their difficult times about the paternity of any of their children. What they say must be fact because they are, well, single moms.

Finally, this is exactly why the evil Republicans should not have been allowed to appoint judges will allow the use of DNA evidence to disprove paternity. Dems know that it is OK to go back 20 years to use DNA to prove that an imprisoned black man didn't comit a crime and release him from prison but it is not OK to use the same kind of evidence to prove that an error was made in ascribing paternity to a given male.

[SolidSupplySide]

You seem to indicate that DNA testing can legally exonerate black defendents. Somehow, I see your racist views become visible.

[BuddhaBoy]

Ping

[Tired of Taxes]

I agree that men tricked into believing they were bio-fathers of children shouldn't have to pay child support. They should be able to terminate their status as legal parent to the child, and the mother and bio-father should be solely responsible.

But, while the Michigan bill mentioned in the article would rightfully exempt the man from making child support payments, it would allow him to continue with visitation rights: http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/stories/news/20020916paternity_laws.html
I can understand the thinking behind that idea, but, if the man doesn't want to be the legal father, he is terminating his rights to the child. If he wants to be the legal father, he should have to pay some support (perhaps a reduction in payments, but you cannot enjoy parental rights without some responsibility for the child).

[BuddhaBoy]

I think that they are looking more along the lines of Grandparents rights, which are enforced in some states(I dont agree with them) where they are not the parents either, but have established an emotional relationship with the children.

I think that if a man doesnt want to be financially responsible, that he should just move on, and not compound the fraud by remaining in touch with the children, who should be allowed to meet their REAL father.

[Orangedog]

I can understand the thinking behind that idea, but, if the man doesn't want to be the legal father, he is terminating his rights to the child. If he wants to be the legal father, he should have to pay some support (perhaps a reduction in payments, but you cannot enjoy parental rights without some responsibility for the child).

I think that the mother and the liological father should bare all of the financial responsibilities in these fraud cases. That should be the price that people who commit this kind of fraud should pay. The man who was wronged should still be allowed full rights to be a parent to the children in these cases. One of the chief tennants of the cival courts is to try and make someone whole who was wronged in a civil action. The price that the perpetrators of fraud have to face must be severe enough to discourage this from happening. If the mother cannot afford to raise the child without child support, then the man who raised the child as his own should be given custody, since most fathers in these circumstances will not want to turn their backs on a child he raised as his own for the entire childs life.

[Cincinnatus]

This is a very important topic, and not one with easy answers. I speak from the perspective of a former Family Court Judge who has dealt with these issues many times. It seems to me that a number of folks here are falling into the liberal trap of identifying children as burdens or commodities, chattels to be dealt with according to some form of contract law. They are not. They are human beings who are innocent of any of the wrong-doing of their parents. There is much to be said for the non-biological bond between "parent" and child, no matter how much was induced by fraud. Should the child be punished? What sort of man is it who turns his back on a child who has come to know him as dad? What SHOULD the law be? I don't know. But morally, any of us who are capable of being a parent to such a child should do so, no matter the sacrifice. That's what we are here for.

[BuddhaBoy]

Frankly, I am shocked by what you wrote.

You as a judge, are someone that I would expect to uphold the Constitution and the Bill of Rights; which state that we are all created EQUAL.

That means that regardless of circumstances, the LAW is the final arbitrator, independent of sentiment.

You ask "Should the child be punished?", but I ask you should the MAN be punished? It appears that you are suggesting the the man is somehow LESS equal under the law then the child. That is emotional and reactionary, rather than reasoned thinking. I dont mean to attack you personally, please dont take it that way, but in a Free Society, we cannot start endorsing the law favoring one party over another, or we turn the Constitution on its head.

The constitution also respects the right to pursue happiness, as defined by the person seeking such, it is not for us to say or judge the relative merits of that search except if it should impinge on the rights of another.

We have not legally established a childs right to support by anyone NOT their parent, so a strict interpretation of the law, would suggest that all efforts be made to put this child in finacial contact with their biological parent, and allow the victim of a CRIME to be allowed to choose their financial future one way or the other.

Tell me why that is wrong?

[Stand Watch Listen]

Bills could end child support payments from men who aren't biological dads
Source:MLIVE.com; Author:The Associated Press

[Stand Watch Listen]

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[BuddhaBoy]

Wow. Thanks.

[KantianBurke]

ping me when ur site is up as well as other articles like this one please. thanks

[BuddhaBoy]

I will, thanks.

[Publius6961]

But morally, any of us who are capable of being a parent to such a child should do so, no matter the sacrifice. That's what we are here for.

Is this officially sanctioned "two wrongs make a right"?
' Seems to me that the noble feeling expressed is a profoundly personal one.
Forcing it on innocent others, however, is to make a slave of them.

[End The Hypocrisy]

Please ping me when DontMarryHer.com is launched. It sounds like a great way for men to arm themselves now in the p.c. 21st Century. Men are currently duped and done wrong in ways that leave my mind spinning.