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MORE ON LIE-BRARIES ONE AND TWO Clintons' critics plan 2nd library
ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT GAZETTE ^ | 12/8/02 | ELISA CROUCH

Posted on 12/08/2002 6:15:45 AM PST by Liz

As former president Clinton embarks on ambitious plans for his post-presidency, so too, do his detractors.

A group of outspoken Clinton critics announced last week their intent to build an unofficial version of Clinton’s presidential library in Little Rock, filled with rooms such as The Hillary Hall of Shame, Pardons for Dollars and National Insecurity Hall.

It will be focused on scandal and "the truth," which is something they believe the Clinton library will lack. "This isn’t a personal vendetta against the Clintons at all," said Richard Erickson, the Houston businessman behind the "Counter Clinton Library" idea. "It is a quest for truth. It’s not to hurt anybody. It’s to enlighten them."

Those behind the idea vow it’s legitimate. Responses in central Arkansas were a mix of intrigue, disgust and amazement that the anti-Clinton sentiment not only continues but also could spark a downtown monument challenging his library. "It’s just unbelievable," said Barry Travis, executive director of the Little Rock Convention and Tourism Bureau, after learning of the idea. "It’s hard to know what to say about it."

Word began to spread about the counter-Clinton library last week via the Internet, where conservative news group NewsMax. com publicized that the facility would be built within walking distance of the future Clinton Presidential Center in downtown Little Rock.

Erickson and his partner, John LeBoutillier, a Republican and former New York congressman, say they have several downtown sites in mind and posted intentions on their own Web site, which states the project’s mission: "This library will be devoted to setting the record straight about the Clintons’ White House years — and about Hillary’s certain campaign to become the next President of the United States."

Erickson and LeBoutillier already are appearing on radio and television talk shows to publicize their idea. They are in the process of forming a nonprofit fund-raising organization and are trying to enlist more supporters.

They say the project would be a multimillion-dollar venture but declined to reveal how much money has been raised so far.

Despite the controversies surrounding other former presidents, no presidential library has inspired a counter institution. Erickson and LeBoutillier’s would be the first.

Once complete, the $160 million Clinton Presidential Center will include an archives and a policy center and the Clinton School for Public Service affiliated with the University of Arkansas System. The glass-and-steel structure will sit on a 28-acre city park named for the former president. City leaders credit the project for jump-starting development in downtown.

Clinton library planners predict the campus will attract more than 300,000 visitors a year. Those who support a second Clinton library say it would increase tourism even more. "From a business standpoint, it’s a hell of an idea," Little Rock political consultant Jerry Russell said. "It would be profitable a lot of the time. People are more interested in negative things than they are in positive things."

Intrigued by the concept, Russell said he sent initial news of the concept Thursday to about 100 people who subscribe to his e-mail group.

Tourism leaders in central Arkansas, however, dismissed the counter-Clinton library as a publicity stunt. They wonder how legitimate the plans are and expressed concern that a museum based on negativity would be damaging. "It was really strange. What are they trying to gain?" asked Steve Arrison, executive director of the Hot Springs Advertising and Promotions Commission. "I’d hate to see something that would be a parody of something that will be good for the state of Arkansas."

Meanwhile, Erickson and LeBoutillier are talking up their plans. From midday Thursday through the weekend, the two will have appeared on a number of shows, ranging from Hannity & Colmeson Fox News to the Marc Bernier Show, a conservative radio program in Daytona Beach, Fla.

Norma Poet, 78, was at home outside San Francisco on Friday when she heard pundits discussing the idea on CNN. Distraught, she called her sister, then later the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. "This is the dredge of the septic tank if you know what septic tanks are like," she said. "This is the bottom."

On the Counter Clinton Library Web site, donors are urged to "to join other patriotic Americans who remain disgusted with the Clintons behavior." The site directs donations to a Little Rock post-office box that a local hospital employee now empties regularly. "This is not going to be some smarmy, putting-out-blue-cocktail dresses-with-stains-on-them," said Ron Crane, a Little Rock health-care project specialist. "It will definitely be a classy endeavor, and will be nothing but the truth."

Once built, the Clinton Presidential Center will be the 11 th presidential library used by the National Archives and Records Administration to store presidential records. The Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Birthplace is not part of the system but operates privately.

Any unofficial Clinton library wouldn’t have access to display these papers, which historians will use to study, record and analyze the Clinton presidency.

Skip Rutherford, chief Clinton library planner, said he didn’t know much about the counter-Clinton library idea, but didn’t sound impressed. "Clinton haters, they will do almost anything," said Rutherford, president of the William J. Clinton Presidential Foundation, the group raising private funds to build the library. "The truthful representation of history is the fact that the 80 million-plus documents of the Clinton years are there. The truthfulness of history is the openness of the documents."

Like all presidential libraries, Clinton’s will include a museum. There, visitors will see a replica of the Oval Office and learn about the former president’s childhood, rise to power, policy achievements and struggles.

The archival components of presidential library systems are generally regarded as nonpartisan. Library museums, however, are often criticized for their positive bias.

Presentations at presidential museums changed over time. On opening day in 1971, the Lyndon Baines Johnson Library in Austin, Texas, had scant mention of the Vietnam War, whereas now it examines the war with considerable detail. "History never speaks with one voice," a plaque reads at the Truman Presidential Museum and Library in Independence, Mo. "It is always under debate — a manuscript that is continually being revised, and is never complete."

In an interview last December, Clinton said his museum won’t avoid negative issues and will address the scandals that marred his presidency. "Impeachment? Absolutely," he said. "One day we’ll have some presidential historians who know something about what went on, who don’t have such a vested interest in appearing on television. What I did was a matter of record, but what I want is the whole record out."

But the co-founders of the counter-Clinton library idea say they have little faith in how the official library will present history. "They’ll get this whitewashed version and walk out with smiles on their faces," Erickson said.

Erickson and LeBoutillier say they want displays on Travelgate, overnight stays in the Lincoln Bedroom by fund-raisers, and Clinton’s controversial lastminute pardons, among others.

As for Clinton’s wife, U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, "We intend to serve as a permanent thorn in her side," the Counter Clinton Library Web site says. "What we want to do here is tell the truth about what they did in the White House and their whole public careers, and try to defuse them, and stop her from being president in six years," LeBoutillier told Fox News on Thursday.


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It will be focused on scandal and "the truth," which is something they believe the Clinton library will lack. "This isn’t a personal vendetta against the Clintons at all," said Richard Erickson, the Houston businessman behind the "Counter Clinton Library" idea. "It is a quest for truth. It’s not to hurt anybody. It’s to enlighten them."

Oh please, hurt 'em a little.

1 posted on 12/08/2002 6:15:45 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
I hope the Counter Clinton Library has a gift shop selling books, tee-shirts, posters, etc. It could generate a lot of revenue with the right merchandise.
2 posted on 12/08/2002 6:27:22 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: Liz
This sounds like a terrible waste of money that would draw even bigger crowds to the Clinton Library. Surely this story is a joke?
3 posted on 12/08/2002 6:37:46 AM PST by abclily
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To: abclily
"What I did was a matter of record, but what I want is the whole record out."

Lying Under Oath as President - 2 times
Lying Under Oath as Governor - 5 times
Lying Under Oath as Attorney General
Lying Under Oath in a Deposition
Lying Under Oath to a Grand Jury
Lying Under Oath as a Lawyer
Abuse of Power
Obstruction of Justice
Deriliction of Duty
Bribe Solicitation
Taking Bribes
Bribery of Cabinent Members
Bribery of State Officials
Treason
Corruption
Coersion
Graft
False Swearing
Malfeasance of Office
Perjury
Subornation of Perjury
Criminal Trespass
Witness Intimidation
Witness Tampering
Jury Tampering
Ethics Violations
Intentional Interference in the Administration of Justice
Misrepresentation
Civil Contempt of Court
Criminal Contempt of Court
Contempt of Congress
Contempt of the American People
High Crimes
Misdemeanors
Deception
False Testimony
Factually False Testimony
Misconduct
Serious Misconduct
Professional Misconduct
Notorious Misconduct
Obstruction of the Judicial Process
Recklessness
Grand Larceny
Extortion
Blackmail
Substance Abuse
Evidence Suppression
Illegal Foriegn Campaign Funding
Aiding and Abetting Espionage
Improper Exports of Sensitve Technology
Attempted Intimidation of Prosecutors
Destruction of Business Records with Intent to Defraud
Failure to Investigate Drug Trafficking
Real Estate Fraud
Criminalizing Frauds on Financial Institutions
Use of State Police for Personal Purposes
Illegal Loan Extraction
False Reports by Medical Examiners and Others Investigating Suspicious Deaths
Improper Futures Trading
Illegal Use of the Executive Branch
Character Defamation
Voter Fraud
Racketeering
Destruction of Evidence
Political Espionage
Money Laundering
Criminal Negligence
RICO Conspiracy
Misuse of Government Files
Desecration of Federal Ethics Laws
Judicial Intimidation
Conflict of Interests
Illegal Campaign Activity
Misuse of Corporate Assets
Ordering Politically Motivated Audits
Ordering Politically Motivated Investigations
Timing of War Influenced by Political Considerations
Misapplying Funds
Conspiracy to Defraud the Federal Government
Criminal Violation of the Privacy Act
Conspiracy to Conceal
Evisceration of the Right to Habeas Corpus
Misuse of Taxpayer Funds
Interfering with a Court Order
Theft of Government Property
Abuse of Taxpayer Financed Travel
Anti-American Espionage
Jeopardizing National Security
Aiding and Abetting Drug Traffic
Aiding and Abetting Organized Crime
Murder by Accessory by Witness Tampering
Murder by Accessory by Forgery
Foreign Influence Peddling
Regular Influence Peddling
Corrupting Public Discourse
Providing False and Misleading Testimony
Interferring with a Custody Case
Kidnapping by Accessory
Child Endangerment
Sexual Harassment
Indecent Exposure
Sexual Abuse of Employees
Lewd and Lascivious Conduct
Exchange of Promotions or Benefits for Sexual Favors
Sexual Assault
Statutory Rape
Contributing to the Delinquincy of a Minor
Unfit to hold a law license
Conduct Unbecoming a President
Squandering the Public Trust
4 posted on 12/08/2002 6:48:21 AM PST by kipj
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To: kipj
**Bump**
5 posted on 12/08/2002 7:04:01 AM PST by TwoStep
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To: kipj
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6 posted on 12/08/2002 7:07:10 AM PST by unojook
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To: kipj
You forgot the most important charge:

Treason
7 posted on 12/08/2002 7:08:56 AM PST by Salgak
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To: HAL9000
Anyone need a blue dress?
8 posted on 12/08/2002 7:09:48 AM PST by Drango
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To: kipj
bttt
9 posted on 12/08/2002 7:12:37 AM PST by lonestar
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To: kipj
bttt
10 posted on 12/08/2002 7:14:14 AM PST by lodwick
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To: Liz
Subject: Letter of Thank You to ex President Bill Clinton

Dear Mr. Ex-President:

I recently saw a bumper sticker that said, "Thank me, I voted for Clinton-Gore." So, I sat down and reflected on that, and I am sending my "Thank you" for what you have done, . . . specifically:

1. Thank you for introducing us to Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, Dolly Kyle Browning, Kathleen Willey, and Juanita Broderick. Did I leave anyone out?

2. Thank you for teaching my 8 year old about oral sex. I had really planned to wait until they were older to discuss it with them, but now they know more about it than I did as a senior in college.

3. Thank you for showing us that sexual harassment in the work place (especially the White House) and on the job is OK, and all you have to know is what the meaning of "is" is. It really is great to know that certain sexual acts are not sex, and one person may have sex while the other one involved does NOT have sex.

4. Thank you for reintroducing the concept of impeachment to a new generation and demonstrating that the ridiculous plot of the movie "Wag the Dog" could be plausible after all.

5. Thanks for making Jimmy Carter look competent, Gerald Ford look graceful, Richard Nixon look honest, Lyndon Johnson look truthful, and John Kennedy look moral.

6. Thank you for the 73 House and Senate witnesses who have pled the 5th Amendment and 17 witnesses who have fled the country to avoid testifying about Democratic campaign fund raising.

7. Thank you, for the 19 charges, 8 convictions, and 4 imprisonment's from the Whitewater "mess" and the 55 criminal charges and 32 criminal convictions (so far) in the other "Clinton" scandals.

8. Thanks also for reducing our military by half, "gutting" much of our foreign policy, and flying all over the world on "vacations" carefully disguised as necessary trips.

9. Thank you, also, for "finding" millions of dollars-I really didn't need it in the first place, and I can't think of a more well deserving group of recipients for my hard-earned dollars than jet fuel for all of your globe-trotting. I understand you; the family and your cronies have logged in more time aboard Air Force One than any other administration.

10. Now that you've left the White House, thanks for the 140 pardons of convicted felons and indicted felons-in-exile. We will love to have them rejoin society.

11. Thanks also for removing the White House silverware, I'm sure that Laura Bush didn't like the pattern anyway. Also, enjoy the housewarming gifts you've received from your "friends."

12. Thanks to you and your staff in the West Wing of the White House for vandalizing and destroying government property on the way out. I also appreciate removing all of that excess weight (China, silverware, linen, towels, ash trays, soap, pens, magnetic compass, flight manuals, etc.) out of Air Force 1. The weight savings means burning less fuel, thus less tax dollars spent on jet fuel, thank you!

13. And finally, please ensure that Hillary enjoys the $8 million dollar advance for her upcoming "tell-all" book and you, Bill, the $5 million advance for your memoirs. Who says crime doesn't pay!

14. The last and most important point- thank you for forcing Israel to let Mohammed Atta go free. Terrorist pilot Mohammed Atta blew up a bus in Israel in 1986. The Israelis captured, tried and imprisoned him. As part of the Oslo agreement with the Palestinians in 1993, Israel had to agree to release so-called "political prisoners." However, the Israelis would not release any with blood on their hands. The American President at the time, Bill Clinton, and his Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, "insisted" that all prisoners be released. Thus Mohammed Atta was freed and eventually thanked the US by flying an airplane into Tower One of the World Trade Center. This was reported by many of the American TV networks at the time that the terrorists were first identified. It was censored in the US from all later reports.

Why shouldn't Americans know the real truth? What a guy!! If you agree that the American public must be made aware of these fact, pass this on. God bless America and THANK YOU (once again) for spending my taxes so wisely and frugally.

SINCERELY, A US Citizen

11 posted on 12/08/2002 7:17:44 AM PST by jws3sticks
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To: Liz
Look for the Arkansas business and Democrat mafias to put out a hit on the counter Clinton library. It will never be built.
12 posted on 12/08/2002 7:18:32 AM PST by dennisw
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To: kipj
Nice list. Sometime I wish someone would post them all.

Grin.

13 posted on 12/08/2002 7:40:02 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: HAL9000
Stained blue dresses will sell like hotcakes.
14 posted on 12/08/2002 7:51:48 AM PST by Liz
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To: kipj
I think you might have gotten all of his crimes in but I'll have to think about it. LOL.
15 posted on 12/08/2002 7:52:46 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
Bill Clinton has left us with a lasting legacy – an enrichment of our lexicon. Future generations of crooked politicians and criminals will be able to draw on Clintonspeak as a means of weaseling and sliming their ways out of uncomfortable predicaments.



The Politics of Personal Destruction -exposing Bill's crimes is nothing more than a cheap political ploy to destroy him, personally.

The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy - agents of the right wing spent years grooming Johnny Chung and Monica Lewinsky in an evil plot to entrap Bill Clinton.

Trying to undo what they couldn't do at the polls - Prosecuting Bill Clinton for criminal activities has nothing to do with justice. It is really a petty, underhanded means the Republicans are employing to wreak vengeance for losing an election.

Partisan politics at it's worst - a vote against Bill has nothing to do with following one's conscience, it is merely voting blindly along party lines...the other guy's party, that is.

It depends upon what the meaning of "is" is - this trial is of such monumental importance that we cannot afford to overlook the significance of even the most seemingly trivial nuances, or split the finest hairs in an effort to save my butt.

I was less than truthful - a nice way of making it sound like you weren't really lying your ass off.

I regret causing pain to my family - a very clever way of not quite admitting that Bill was caught red handed screwing around with someone other than his wife.

I don’t recall – Damn! Wouldn’t you just know that my legendary capacity for recall has failed me on this one, particularly crucial issue!

It is his inner child desperately seeking to please his mother - the president of the most powerful nation on earth doesn't have to assume responsibility for his own actions, he suffered a childhood trauma when his mommy and grandma once argued over who was going to tuck him in nighty-night.

History will write that I fought for the Constitution and for America - I can't face the fact that I am really a self-serving SOB and I will continue to spin, confuse, twist the truth, and blame others in a desperate attempt to re-write history and save my legacy.

The American people want me to, are tired of, feel that...., etc. - Every Tom, Dick, and Agnes in the United States supports me and it is only the mean-spirited Republicans in Washington that are unjustly persecuting me.

Listening Tour - enables a candidate to run for an office without having to voice an opinion, state a platform, utter a word, and so avoid running the risk of putting a foot in the mouth, displaying ignorance, or being exposed for an utter idiot.

that woman - reference to one of the many nameless women used for gratifying Bill's base urges.

I feel your pain - I couldn't care less.

It's for the children - the ultimate ploy. When all else fails, invoke the children. Convince all those around you that every scandal and crime was ultimately for the children. Accuse those who dare oppose you of not being concerned for the welfare of our children - the same children who will very shortly have Chinese and North Korean warheads pointed directly at them, built with our nation's latest technology and nuclear secrets, compliments of Comrade William Jefferson Clinton.

Clintonesque – All of the above.

Clintonspeak – All of the above.

16 posted on 12/08/2002 7:53:21 AM PST by Shenandoah
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To: jws3sticks
Thank you, for the 19 charges, 8 convictions, and 4 imprisonment's from the Whitewater "mess" and the 55 criminal charges and 32 criminal convictions (so far) in the other "Clinton" scandals.

Framed copies of this should be sold in the counter library. Nice reminder of the "Clinton Legacy."

17 posted on 12/08/2002 7:58:14 AM PST by Liz
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To: Shenandoah
I think they oughta have a "Spin Room" in the counter library. The Clinton paper trail spin could fill a nice sized room. And include life-sized pictures of the spin doctors - Begala, Carville, etc - in the form of dart boards.
18 posted on 12/08/2002 8:02:30 AM PST by Liz
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To: kipj
Yes, I realize what Billy Blythe is, but why build a monument to his criminality?
19 posted on 12/08/2002 8:44:48 AM PST by abclily
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To: Liz
"I’d hate to see something that would be a parody of something that will be good for the state of Arkansas."

The real parody will be when the Counter Clinton Library brings in more money to the state of Arkansas than the real thing. I don't think these blind morons who continue to support him and his LIEbrary travesty have any clue just how much these people are hated or why.

20 posted on 12/08/2002 10:43:03 AM PST by sweetliberty
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