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Quick Heads Up: Did I Hear Right? Hackworth Called Cheney a Draft Dodger?

Posted on 12/05/2002 2:04:54 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March

My ears might have deceived me. Did I hear correctly on the Sean Hannity Show? Did Hackworth call Cheney a draft dodger?


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Hey, some of us are just better at the board games than the real stuff. Give Dick a break!
61 posted on 12/05/2002 2:34:57 PM PST by Registered
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To: expatpat; MineralMan
I think you meant to address MineralMan.

62 posted on 12/05/2002 2:35:50 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: MineralMan
Lots of folks who are calling for sending troops into battle have no experience of battle.

According to your putative logic, if a neurosurgeon hasn't had his brain operated on, he's not qualified to operate on anyone else's brain or even prescribe brain surgery as appropriate treatment.

63 posted on 12/05/2002 2:36:03 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick
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To: OsricBoy
I didn't serve, was I a draft dodger?
64 posted on 12/05/2002 2:36:22 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: OsricBoy
Post No. 52 has the full quote in context.
66 posted on 12/05/2002 2:36:33 PM PST by Thud
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To: OsricBoy
This kind of reminds me of the Halitbourton fiasco. If this is the best their critics can do, they must be squeaky clean.
67 posted on 12/05/2002 2:36:33 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: OsricBoy
Yes, deferments. Easy enough to get at the time. Personally, I dropped out of college in my sophomore year to join, then finished up when I finished my term.
68 posted on 12/05/2002 2:37:37 PM PST by MineralMan
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To: tuckessee
Clinton was nailed with a letter in his own handwriting, along with his college attendance records.
69 posted on 12/05/2002 2:37:49 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: MineralMan
Guess however you wish. I volunteered for service in 1965. Cheney did not. You call it.

Not volunteering for service is NOT the equivelant to draft dodging...surely you must know that.

And for your information, military service is not required for expressing an opinion on the use of militatry force in this country. The military is subservient to the elected civilian leadership of the country. Americans are born fully vested with the rights God gave them and are not required to serve in the military to exercise those rights.

70 posted on 12/05/2002 2:38:28 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: tuckessee
Riggghhht. Clinton=good. Cheney=bad. I'm convinced.
72 posted on 12/05/2002 2:39:07 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: MineralMan
"I have my opinion of those who do not, yet who claim the right to send young men to battle."

I'm glad you didn't help draft the US Constitution. If military experience were required to run for President or Vice President then somebody like you would possess superior credentials to somebody like Dick Cheney.

I'm glad he's Vice President. I respect his judgement and his patriotism very much. My respect for him wouldn't be any greater if he had served in combat.
73 posted on 12/05/2002 2:39:21 PM PST by SBprone
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Re: Fox News.........anyone know where John Gibson is?
74 posted on 12/05/2002 2:40:03 PM PST by mickie
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To: Eric Esot
There was a bit more to it than that. By 1970 you also had to have a low enough draft lottery number. A friend of mine, who ended up as a military historian, had a low number and refused to even take the physical in protest of the Vietnam War, though his vision was so bad he was legally blind. That kept him from being classified 4-F and got him tried & convicted of refusing to comply with the draft laws - with a sentence to 18 months community service (which he served) the same as if he had been draft-qualfied and then refused induction.
75 posted on 12/05/2002 2:40:44 PM PST by Thud
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To: pgkdan
Once more, in bold:

" Americans are born fully vested with the rights God gave them and are not required to serve in the military to exercise those rights. "

76 posted on 12/05/2002 2:40:45 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: MineralMan
Thank you for your service to our country. People are called to serve in many different ways. Dick Cheney has proven his love for his country and the troops during his years of public service including work for four different Presidents.

Being the VP of our nation after 9-11 is a calling few could handle...including Hackworth, imho. He doesn't know the detailed threats, the real threats - not the possible or imagined, that the President and the top Cabinet heads hear about regularly. Most of the civilized world is grateful to have a stable, courgeous and wise leader in the #2 spot right now. The Col. crossed the line.

For the record, many of our bravest leaders - who loved their countries and served in other important ways never served in the military - or only served a few months, including Abraham Lincoln, John and John Quincy Adams, Thomas Jefferson, FDR, of course...and many others. Some of our best soldiers made bad civilian leaders, and some soldiers never understood the nation they served.

Our CIC, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Conde Rice all have immense respect for our military and an understanding of the sacrifices they make and the importance of the job they do because all of them love this country, have worked hard and proven themselves beyond all petty jealousies and vanity over the past two years.

 

Vice President Richard B. Cheney 

Vice President Richard B. Cheney has had a distinguished career as a businessman and public servant, serving four Presidents and as an elected official. Throughout his service, Mr. Cheney served with duty, honor, and unwavering leadership, gaining him the respect of the American people during trying military times.

Mr. Cheney was born in Lincoln, Nebraska, on January 30, 1941 and grew up in Casper, Wyoming. He earned his bachelor's and master's of arts degrees from the University of Wyoming. His career in public service began in 1969 when he joined the Nixon Administration, serving in a number of positions at the Cost of Living Council, at the Office of Economic Opportunity, and within the White House.

When Gerald Ford assumed the Presidency in August 1974, Mr. Cheney served on the transition team and later as Deputy Assistant to the President. In November 1975, he was named Assistant to the President and White House Chief of Staff, a position he held throughout the remainder of the Ford Administration.

 

After he returned to his home state of Wyoming in 1977, Mr. Cheney was elected to serve as the state's sole Congressman in the U.S. House of Representatives. He was re-elected five times and elected by his colleagues to serve as Chairman of the Republican Policy Committee from 1981 to 1987. He was elected Chairman of the House Republican Conference in 1987 and elected House Minority Whip in 1988. During his tenure in the House, Mr. Cheney earned a reputation as a man of knowledge, character, and accessibility.

Mr. Cheney also served a crucial role when America needed him most. As Secretary of Defense from March 1989 to January 1993, Mr. Cheney directed two of the largest military campaigns in recent history - Operation Just Cause in Panama and Operation Desert Storm in the Middle East. He was responsible for shaping the future of the U.S. military in an age of profound and rapid change as the Cold War ended. For his leadership in the Gulf War, Secretary Cheney was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President George Bush on July 3, 1991.

Mr. Cheney married his high school sweetheart, Lynne Ann Vincent, in 1964, and they have grown daughters, Elizabeth and Mary, and three granddaughters.


77 posted on 12/05/2002 2:40:47 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
OH MY!!!

Hack what are you doing? My gosh, don't attack the VP like this, even if it is true don't attack him on it.

Thus far the only post here with anything substantial on the subject is #16.

If that's accurate then Hackworth is technically correct, but it's a huge political mistake to put it like "draft dodger" as I am reading here.

I like Hackworth, but I really think this comment was a mistake regardless of it's accuracy.

It's certainly untimely and will lead to allot of scorn being heaped on Mr. Hackworth.

78 posted on 12/05/2002 2:40:54 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: MineralMan
Anyone that had their ticket punched in their favor was a draft dodger, that includes Bush.
79 posted on 12/05/2002 2:41:11 PM PST by cynicom
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March; MineralMan; OsricBoy; ewing; Bedford Forrest; cyncooper
There is more than one way to serve one's country other than just the military. Dick Cheney was Secretary of Defense. As the top Pentagon official, the SecDef is, practically speaking, in the military. I'm not certain, but I believe he, along with many thousands of others, took a perfectly legal college deferment during the VietNam era.

Those who think serving in the military is a disqualifier for high office should remember that Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, John Hancock, and many other prominent founders did not serve in the military during the Revolutionary War. They served, instead, in the Continental Congress, and it was from them that George Washington took his commission and orders. Later, George Washington and the other men who created the Constitution made a civilian, the President of the United States, commander in chief of the armed forces.

Hackworth has always seemed to me to be the antithesis of the example set by many great military figures in our history who went on to serve in the legislative or executive branches. Hackworth impresses me as a gadfly who runs around pretending to know more than he actually does about the affairs of the day, while trading on his reputation as a decorated veteran.

80 posted on 12/05/2002 2:41:13 PM PST by Wolfstar
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