Federal appeals court says father can challenge Pledge of Allegiance

Associated Press ^ | 12-4-02 | DAVID KRAVETS

[Oldeconomybuyer]

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- The federal appeals court that declared reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in public classrooms to be unconstitutional ruled Wednesday that the father who sued on behalf of his daughter had a right to bring the case.

[KQQL]

Well...well...well...........what have we here...................lol..bunch of luney liberals..

[IronJack]

the San Francisco-based appeals court is free to decide whether to ... [bar] the pledge from being recited with the words "under God" in public schools ...

Gosh, this is a tough prediction. Which way WILL they decide???? Ninth Circuit Court. The same court that ruled the Ten Commandments cannot appear even in the Bible, but that the Communist Manifesto must appear on US coinage.

[amused]

While I disagree with requiring students recite the pledge(I have difficulty with forced oaths), this guy is on such thin ice I can't believe he is even allowed to press the case forward.

[Oldeconomybuyer]

It's the 9th Circuit ...

[KQQL]

No body is forcing anyone to anything......
One can always...keep their mouths shut......

Her dad is denying everyone else...their rights.

[goldstategop]

No its the Nine Circus. :)

[k2blader]

The decision means the San Francisco-based appeals court is free to decide whether to uphold its June ruling barring the pledge from being recited with the words "under God" in public schools in the nine Western states the court covers.

It's obvious Newdow is wrongly using his daughter to push his own warped agenda.

Also, I think the court would be nuts to uphold the ruling...

[lodwick]

Get the freak outta this country if you hate it so much - Syria would love to have your sick asses there. Allah ackbar, and ride your camel up your mother's moon pie.

Good grief, I cannot believe that these pudknockers are giving standing to this case.

[amused]

Exactly but I do believe there is a bill(possibly law now) floating around PA requiring such. I have no problem what so ever with students simply standing and being repectful while the pledge is being said or anthem is being played if they choose not to participate. The sad thing is I don;t even think this guy has full custody and his daughter is being raised by the mother in a Christian manner. Apparently this guy has done this in other areas as well.

Nothing like seperation of church and state to enforce your beliefs that God does not exist.

[amused]

[sigh] Could it be any other court.....

[Oldeconomybuyer]

LOL!

[Kadric]

This is one of those cases where you feel good and bad at the same time.

It is nice to see that they have said that a divorced father can still be involved in making decisions involving his children.

On the other hand the it is sad to see what he considers objectionable.

[old school]

There simply isn't enough vigorous resistance to the relentless attack on American ideals. Americans are truly far too tolerant of ideas that are subversive of fundamental beliefs that have made America great. We have come to a time in our Country, when if we don't stand-up for the unique achievements we have produced; we'll be soon be overrun by some uncivilized, merciless horde, who'll make us rue the day we didn't hold our mud!

[ItsJeff]

I have difficulty with forced oaths

I'm with you. When I first heard about the ruling, I didn't agree with it, but understood it. The guy is an athiest and he wants to raise his daughter as an athiest, but the State was interfering because it mandated that his daughter pledge to the flag... under God. But, later, when it came out that he didn't have custody, I thought he was full of it. Since he ISN'T raising his daughter, I won't cut him the slack I did earlier.

[Texas_Jarhead]

Oh please you people with your forced oaths BS.. If you can't Pledge Allegiance to the country which has birthed you in freedom then either your head ain't on right or the only principle you stand on is the principle of no principles. If they weren't those of us who hold some allegiance to America then there wouldn't have been, nor would there be, anyone to protect your freedom. Furthermore we are talking about helping build good citizens who love their country. That forced oaths crutch is weak as all get out when talking about children and the Pledge. Children must be lead and taught. Adult weakness in dealings with children is bad for society.

[old school]

Amen!

[GovernmentShrinker]

Yes, but the "Christian" mother is doing the same. Earlier this year, she hauled the poor kid onto national TV to denounce her father.

I think both these parents are pretty sick pups. And I suspect the father's antics have little to do with his genuine convictions and a lot to do with wanting to attack his ex-wife.

[ECM]

Damn straight!

[amused]

Oh please you people with your forced oaths BS.. If you can't Pledge Allegiance to the country which has birthed you in freedom then either your head ain't on right or the only principle you stand on is the principle of no principles.

Ahhhh maybe you are suffering from too much exposure to rabid liberals. Because my problems exist with requiring one to make a pledge. Not the pledge itself. The pledge is an oath of loyalty, not simple words to be repeated whether one believes them or not.

I do have a problems with forced oaths. What good is a forced oath? An oath is a commitment one does not enter into lightly. When I say the pledge, it is because I believe in it. I do not take the pledge to be simple words to be stated. I would love for all our children to say the pledge loud and proud but requiring them to be anything more than respectful during its statement reduces the point of the pledge in the first place.

When I grew up we said the pledge and listened to the national anthem. This was school policy and I am not aware of any law at that time. Granted alot has changed over the last decade or so but it still does not make sense to require one to take an oath by law.