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Oregon Gas laws (- Yet another attack on freedom)
CAPITALISTCHICKS.COM ^ | FR Post 12-1-2002 | Debbie Brannigan

Posted on 12/01/2002 1:27:53 PM PST by vannrox

Oregon Gas laws

Debbie Brannigan (Email Author)

I spent most of my life in a suburb of Detroit, MI: the Motor City of America. I've been pumping my own gas for 20+ years now. Imagine my surprise when I went to work in Portland, OR and attempted to fill my own gas tank, only to be told by the 'trained fueling operator' that it was against the law for me to fill my own gas tank. I was not "qualified" to handle class1 flammable liquids!! I thought it was a joke but it’s true. There is a fine of up to $500 if I am caught trying to perform the 'fueling operation' on my own.

ORS 480.315-320

Yep, ORS 480.315-320, that's the one. Check it out on the Oregon State government website: www.leg.state.or.us

The following is taken directly from the text of ORS 480.330:

"An owner, operator or employee of a filling station service station, garage, or other dispensary where class 1 flammable liquids are dispensed at retail may not permit any person other than the owner, operator or employee to use or manipulate any pump, hose, pipe or other device for dispensing the liquids into the fuel tank of a motor vehicle or other retail container."

ORS 480.385, Civil penalty for dispensing law violation:
Civil penalty shall become due and payable 10 days after order: up to $500.

There are 17 declarations listed which try to rationalize this completely irrational law. Too many to list in this writing but here are some of my personal favorites:

ORS480.315

1) The dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids by dispensers properly trained in appropriate safety procedures reduces fire hazards directly associated with the dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids.

7) Exposure to toxic fumes represents a health hazard to customers dispensing Class 1 flammable liquids.

10a) The significantly higher prices typically charged for full-service fuel dispensing in states where self service is permitted at retail discriminates against customers with lower incomes, who are under greater economic pressure to subject themselves to the inconvenience and hazards of self-service.

11) The increased use of self-service at retail in other states has contributed to diminishing the availability of automotive repair facilities at gasoline stations.

14) Self service dispensing at retail contributes to unemployment, particularly among young people.

And, last but not least.....we can't forget about 'the children':

17) Small children left unattended when customers leave to make payment at self service stations creates a dangerous situation.

No, I'm not kidding: those are all for real. Can Big Brother's elitist agenda be any clearer?

Declaration 7 states that exposure to fumes presents a health risk to customers but what about the 'qualified fuel dispensing operator'? There are no masks, no special procedures and no form of protection from these fumes for the attendant. There is nothing this 'qualified' person does any differently than I would. Exposure to fumes for them is OK, I guess. Why can't I do this myself again?

Declaration 10a is by far the most outrageous: "high prices of full service discriminate against low income customers who are subjected to the inconvenience and hazards of self service."

First off, the keyword here is 'convenience'. Convenience is a luxury, not a right. Oregon lawmakers need to learn the difference apparently.

Secondly, it amazes me that Oregon's legislature would even have the nerve to play the "low income discrimination" card in this argument. The state of Oregon has the highest gas prices in all of the contiguous United States thanks to taxes and restrictions imposed upon it's service stations. Oregon not only demands its gas station proprietors hire full time attendants to pump gas but also imposes a 24 cent per gallon “licensing tax” which is due every month of operation. Of course government employees are exempt from paying this additional tax and may file for a refund on the gas they use. Where is the concern for the low income folks now? The poor of Oregon now pay the highest gas prices in the entire country! Rather than cut taxes and lower prices for everyone, the state of OR has decided it's better to impose the highest taxes and charges for all: including the poor. Typical rhetoric. (ref: ORS 319.020 for licensing tax info)

Declarations 11 & 14 claim that self service stations contribute not only to unemployment but also to diminished availability of service stations. This reminds me of a scene from "Anthem" by Ayn Rand. Prometheus presents his great discovery of electricity to the World Council of Scholars. They tell him it would "wreck the plans of the World Council" by wreaking havoc on the current Council of Candles. When government restricts free market evolution, the result can only be stagnation. Can you imagine life if the government had stepped in to halt the 'diminished availability' of blacksmiths, chimney sweeps, milkmen, 8 tracks tapes, rotary phones, etc, etc. If there is market demand for a business it will survive without intervention.

Self-serve gas stations have not led to higher unemployment rates in other states. Most of those stations are equipped with automated electronic pumps and surveilance. More high tech equipment = more high tech maintenance & sales = more high tech jobs. Hmmm. Oregon has the highest gasoline prices in the country. It also has the highest unemployment rate. Oregon lawmakers claim to be passing these laws in an effort to reduce unemployment and help the low income citizens. Obviously, the opposite effect has taken place. Perhaps it is time to rethink the current strategy?

Oh and the best for last!

Declaration 17: small children left alone while paying for gas poses a 'dangerous' situation. Are children all over the country spontaneously combusting at these self serve stations? What are these children doing.....drinking the gasoline when mom's not looking? I could find no data anywhere to support a higher rate of injury to minors at self service stations vs. full serve stations. A vast majority of self serve stations are equipped with pay at the pump service, so you never have to leave the perimeter of your car. If it does not offer this, drive 1/4 mile to one that does. Don't want to do that: take the child inside with you.

It has not been quite a decade since this law was imposed and already the arguments for keeping it intact are " so many people wouldn't know how to pump their own gas now". So here is yet another law fully enforced and completely ridiculous. It is another step up the government ladder of dependancy, where we leave Liberty and Freedom on the ground below.

Let me end this with a fitting quote from Benjamin Franklin: "People who are willing to give up their freedom for securtiy deserve neither"



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Oregon
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To: vannrox
I liked it a whole lot better when that was considered a necessary service, along with checking the oil, water and air pressure of tires.
41 posted on 12/01/2002 4:03:35 PM PST by itsahoot
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To: FreedomCalls
While I agree with you about the choice, gas doesn't get much cheaper than here in NJ.
42 posted on 12/01/2002 4:07:51 PM PST by Freeper 007
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To: FreedomCalls
I pump my own 99% of the time. Gas is about 1.47 in Philly area.

Coming home from the Jersey Shore this summer, I needed to fill up- and didn't realize that I couldn't pump my own gas.(I never had occasion to buy gas in Jersey) I had to wait 15 minutes because the attendant (just 1) was busy with the 3 other cars. It drove me crazy. Well, he was nice, and did clean my windshield, but... aarrrggghhhhhh.. Lesson learned. Fill up before I leave home, and don't wait to re-fuel near the Garden State Pkwy.
43 posted on 12/01/2002 4:09:29 PM PST by baseballmom
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To: vannrox

As a mechanically astute person I can tell you this is total garbage.

What happened to the local garage is two things.

1) Reliability has been increased considerably. There are now cars that go 100,000 miles without requiring a tune up. In the past this was not the case.

2) The complexity of automobiles has increased to a point that precludes "shade tree" schmuck's with just hammer's and screwdriver's from repairing them effectively.

Thus, "gas pump laws" are not going to bring back the local garage.

This whole thing is insane, what's next "soap on the shower floor" laws?

44 posted on 12/01/2002 4:12:18 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Ditter
Self pumped gas is always cheaper.

Only until you get used to the price going up. Diesel used to be 10 cents, while gasoline was 75 cents. When I was a teenager gasoline was available at full service stations for 24.9 cents. I have seen it low as 8 cents, before I drove of course :) Anyone remember price wars at competing service stations? Now they all raise their price at the same time, people are used to it, after all there is a shortage. Har, har, Har.

45 posted on 12/01/2002 4:13:19 PM PST by itsahoot
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To: jimtorr
What's up with the price differential? It doesn't really cost any more to make gasoline with different octane ratings.

Actually, it does.

46 posted on 12/01/2002 4:15:14 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: Ditter
I live in northern California and buy my gas in Oregon. Gasoline in California is 1.85. In Oregon it is 1.29 and I don't have to pump my gas.
47 posted on 12/01/2002 4:15:46 PM PST by fifteendogs
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To: FreedomCalls
Dude! Stop getting your gas at Wal-Mart. If you look for an Exxon or Texaco sign you will find a place that has a full-service pump.

Sure can here, and at the bargain price of $2.59 in my city. Handicapped, old and infirm people really get a such a deal.

48 posted on 12/01/2002 4:19:28 PM PST by itsahoot
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To: Jhoffa_
Very Good!

When I drive to Oregon and fill up there I always forget, Hence some guy in his 40's is yelling STOP!!!!!!!!! Makes me laugh every time......
49 posted on 12/01/2002 4:26:57 PM PST by cmsgop
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To: Paleo Conservative
I think the a federal law should be passed requiring all retail outlets selling gasoline within one mile of an Interstate or US highway to have self-serve pumps.

Sounds like a good way to get those wayward states in line. The feds should also withhold highway funds from those states that dare disobey.

50 posted on 12/01/2002 4:41:53 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: vannrox
The first time an attendent told me this I thought he was joking. I was on my way to Ft. Lewis after a 3 year tour in a 37th Trans Group unit driving, working on, and recovering 5,000 gal tankers of MOGAS, Diesel, and JP4.
I once stood ankle deep in JP4 and cut a bumper out of a tanker with an oxy-act torch (lots of Feurwher foam all around) but I can't pump $10 worth of Premium into my TR7.
Go figure...........
51 posted on 12/01/2002 4:44:14 PM PST by Feckless
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To: itsahoot
Sure can here, and at the bargain price of $2.59 in my city. Handicapped, old and infirm people really get a such a deal.

EVERY self-serve place I have seen has a sign saying "handicapped -- sound horn for assistance" or has a large push button placed low down for easy access that will also call an attendent. In order to comply with the ADA, they have to. If you use that service and you are handicapped, you will get charged the same price as everyone else. If you are handicapped you do not have to use the "full-service" pumps and pay extra.

This is yet another false argument from those who don't like freedom of choice and insist on government control over people's everyday decisions.

52 posted on 12/01/2002 4:51:21 PM PST by FreedomCalls
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To: itsahoot
Anyone remember price wars at competing service stations?

LOL. I remember one when I was a kid. The usual price was about $0.30/gal, and it got all the way to $.05 in a week or so. Then it went back up, of course.

53 posted on 12/01/2002 4:52:39 PM PST by serinde
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To: itsahoot
Handicapped, old and infirm people really get a such a deal.

I live in Texas. I'm disabled. I usually pump my own fuel anyway. There are all of 4 (I think) full-service stations in town, and two of them have ripped me off when I asked them to give me the handicapped discount. I decided it was easier to do it myself than go through that again.

54 posted on 12/01/2002 5:01:48 PM PST by serinde
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To: FreedomCalls
Don't wanna.
55 posted on 12/01/2002 5:15:07 PM PST by ladylib
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To: ladylib
I can CHOOSE to pump my own. You can't.

Don't wanna.

This is a typical liberal response. Since you don't want to, you expect everybody else to think the same way. In my state we have a choice. If you "don't wanna", you "don't hafta." If I "wanna", I can. In New Jersey and in Oregon, you can't.

56 posted on 12/01/2002 5:20:14 PM PST by FreedomCalls
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To: serinde
There are all of 4 (I think) full-service stations in town, and two of them have ripped me off when I asked them to give me the handicapped discount.

There is no such thing as a "handicapped discount" at a full-service pump. Either you are at a full-service pump at a higher price or you are at a self-service pump at a lower price. If you are handicapped and want to pay the self-service price, pull up to the self-service pumps and ask for assistance. The ADA mandates that they help you.

57 posted on 12/01/2002 5:23:36 PM PST by FreedomCalls
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To: vannrox
Lets see, a lower price for self service, yet a higher price for full service discriminates against the poor? Hmmmm, the poor ONLY use full service? Perhaps this points to why they are poor?

MARK A SITY
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58 posted on 12/01/2002 5:37:51 PM PST by logic101.net
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
> ...and your car will run better.

Huh? Because it's "professionally" pumped?

> Kalifornistan's rough-running bilgewater

Oh. You're talkin' about the "oxygenated" stuff?
We have the same stuff in Oregon during the cooler half of the year (right now). It does seem to hold a bit more water than the regular stuff. I discovered the hard way a few years back, when I had a long commute, that the oxygenated stuff delivers slightly lower miles per gallon. I could go to work and back two days on a tankful of the regular stuff, but when they switched to the winter blend it fell about 3 miles short (but at least it quit on me right in front of the golf course, so I was able to play the 19th hole while waiting).

Dave in Eugene
59 posted on 12/01/2002 5:42:17 PM PST by Clinging Bitterly
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To: jimtorr
> What's up with the price differential? It doesn't really cost any more to make gasoline with different octane ratings.

Because they can?
Heck I don't know. I remember when unleaded first became a requirement with the advent of the catalytic converters. I always thought it was funny that they charged a couple cents more per gallon to not put the lead in. Folks I know used to take that little restrictor hole out of their fill spouts so the regular nozzle would fit (of course I would never do something like that).

Dave in Eugene
60 posted on 12/01/2002 5:50:10 PM PST by Clinging Bitterly
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