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7 Reasons Why Israel is Entitled to The Land
GAMLA ^ | March 4, 2002 | Senator James M. Inhofe

Posted on 12/01/2002 6:37:28 AM PST by SJackson

A speech by Senator James M. Inhofe, Republican Senator from Oklahoma, March 4, 2002

I will discuss seven reasons, which I mentioned once before, why Israel is entitled to the land they have and that it should not be a part of the peace process.

If this is something that Israel wants to do, it is their business to do it. But anyone who has tried to put the pressure on Israel to do this is wrong.

We are going to be hit by skeptics who are going to say we will be attacked because of our support for Israel, and if we get out of the Middle East-that is us-all the problems will go away. That is just not true. If we withdraw, all of these problems will again come to our door.

I have some observations to make about that. But I would like to reemphasize once again the seven reasons that Israel has the right to their land. The first reason is that Israel has the right to the land because of all of the archeological evidence. That is reason,

Number One: All the archeological evidence supports it.

Every time there is a dig in Israel, it does nothing but support the fact that Israelis have had a presence there for 3,000 years. They have been there for a long time. The coins, the cities, the pottery, the culture--there are other people, groups that are there, but there is no mistaking the fact that Israelis have been present in that land for 3,000 years.

It predates any claims that other peoples in the regions may have. The ancient Philistines are extinct. Many other ancient peoples are extinct. They do not have the unbroken line to this date that the Israelis have.

Even the Egyptians of today are not racial Egyptians of 2,000, 3,000 years ago. They are primarily an Arab people. The land is called Egypt, but they are not the same racial and ethnic stock as the old Egyptians of the ancient world. The first Israelis are in fact descended from the original Israelites. The first proof, then, is the archeology.

The second proof of Israel's right to the land is the historic right. History supports it totally and completely. We know there has been an Israel up until the time of the Roman Empire. The Romans conquered the land. Israel had no homeland, although Jews were allowed to live there. They were driven from the land in two dispersions: One was in 70 A.D. and the other was in 135 A.D. But there was always a Jewish presence in the land.

The Turks, who took over about 700 years ago and ruled the land up until about World War 1, had control. Then the land was conquered by the British. The Turks entered World War 1 on the side of Germany. The British knew they had to do something to punish Turkey, and also to break up that empire that was going to be a part of the whole effort of Germany in World War I. So the British sent troops against the Turks in the Holy Land.

One of the generals who was leading the British armies was a man named Allenby. Allenby was a Bible-believing Christian. He carried a Bible with him everywhere he went and he knew the significance of Jerusalem.

The night before the attack against Jerusalem to drive out the Turks, Allenby prayed that God would allow him to capture the city without doing damage to the holy places.

That day, Allenby sent World War 1 biplanes over the city of Jerusalem to do a reconnaissance mission. You have to understand that the Turks had at that time never seen an airplane. So there they were, flying around. They looked in the sky and saw these fascinating inventions and did not know what they were, and they were terrified by them. Then they were told they were going to be opposed by a man named Allenby the next day, which means, in their language, ``man sent from God'' or ``prophet from God.'' They dared not fight against a prophet from God, so the next morning, when Allenby went to take Jerusalem, he went in and captured it without firing a single shot.

The British Government was grateful to Jewish people around the world, particularly to one Jewish chemist who helped them manufacture niter. Niter is an ingredient that was used in nitroglycerin which was sent over from the New World. But they did not have a way of getting it to England. The German U-boats were shooting on the boats, so most of the niter they were trying to import to make nitroglycerin was at the bottom of the ocean. But a man named Weizmann, a Jewish chemist, discovered a way to make it from materials that existed in England. As a result, they were able to continue that supply.

The British at that time said they were going to give the Jewish people a homeland. That is all a part of history. It is all written down in history. They were gratified that the Jewish people, the bankers, came through and helped finance the war.

The homeland that Britain said it would set aside consisted of all of what is now Israel and all of what was then the nation of Jordan--the whole thing. That was what Britain promised to give the Jews in 1917.

In the beginning, there was some Arab support for this action. There was not a huge Arab population in the land at that time, and there is a reason for that. The land was not able to sustain a large population of people. It just did not have the development it needed to handle those people, and the land was not really wanted by anybody. Nobody really wanted this land. It was considered to be worthless land. I want the Presiding Officer to hear what Mark Twain said. And, of course, you may have read "Huckleberry Finn" and "Tom Sawyer". Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens) took a tour of Palestine in 1867. This is how he described that land. We are talking about Israel now. He said: "A desolate country whose soil is rich enough but is given over wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse. We never saw a human being on the whole route. There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country."

Where was this great Palestinian nation? It did not exist. It was not there. Palestinians were not there. Palestine was a region named by the Romans, but at that time it was under the control of Turkey, and there was no large mass of people there because the land would not support them.

This is the report that the Palestinian Royal Commission, created by the British, made. It quotes an account of the conditions on the coastal plain along the Mediterranean Sea in 1913. This is the Palestinian Royal Commission. They said: "The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track, suitable for transport by camels or carts. No orange groves, orchards or vineyards were to be seen until one reached the Yavnev village. Houses were mud. Schools did not exist. The western part toward the sea was almost a desert. The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many villages were deserted by their inhabitants."

That was 1913.

The French author Voltaire described Palestine as "a hopeless, dreary place." In short, under the Turks the land suffered from neglect and low population. That is a historic fact. The nation became populated by both Jews and Arabs because the land came to prosper when Jews came back and began to reclaim it. Historically, they began to reclaim it. If there had never been any archaeological evidence to support the rights of the Israelis to the territory, it is also important to recognize that other nations in the area have no longstanding claim to the country either.

Did you know that Saudi Arabia was not created until 1913, Lebanon until 1920? Iraq did not exist as a nation until 1932, Syria until 1941; the borders of Jordan were established in 1946 and Kuwait in 1961. Any of these nations that would say Israel is only a recent arrival would have to deny their own rights as recent arrivals as well. They did not exist as countries. They were all under the control of the Turks.

Historically, Israel gained its independence in 1948.

The third reason that land belongs to Israel is the practical value of the Israelis being there. Israel today is a modern marvel of agriculture. Israel is able to bring more food out of a desert environment than any other country in the world. The Arab nations ought to make Israel their friend and import technology from Israel that would allow all the Middle East, not just Israel, to become an exporter of food. Israel has unarguable success in its agriculture.

The fourth reason I believe Israel has the right to the land is on the grounds of humanitarian concern. You see. There were six million Jews slaughtered in Europe in World War 2. The persecution against the Jews had been very strong in Russia since the advent of communism. It was against them even before then under the Czars.

These people have a right to their homeland. If we are not going to allow them a homeland in the Middle East, then where? What other nation on Earth is going to cede territory, is going to give up land?

They are not asking for a great deal. The whole nation of Israel would fit into my home State of Oklahoma seven times. It would fit into the Presiding Officer's State of Georgia seven times. They are not asking for a great deal. The whole nation of Israel is very small. It is a nation that, up until the time that claims started coming in, was not desired by anybody.

The fifth reason Israel ought to have their land is that she is a strategic ally of the United States. Whether we realize it or not, Israel is a deterrent, an impediment, to certain groups hostile to democracies and hostile to what we believe in, hostile to that which makes us the greatest nation in the history of the world. They have kept them from taking complete control of the Middle East. If it were not for Israel, they would overrun the region. Israel is our strategic ally.

It is good to know we have a friend in the Middle East on whom we can count. They vote with us in the United Nations more than England, more than Canada, more than France, more than Germany--more than any other country in the world.

The sixth reason is that Israel is a roadblock to terrorism. The war we are now facing is not against a sovereign nation; it is against a group of terrorists who are very fluid, moving from one country to another. They are almost invisible. That is whom we are fighting against today.

We need every ally we can get. If we do not stop terrorism in the Middle East, it will be on our shores. We have said this again and again and again, and it is true.

One of the reasons I believe the spiritual door was opened for an attack against the United States of America is that the policy of our Government has been to ask the Israelis, and demand with pressure, that she not retaliate in a significant way against the terrorist strikes that have been launched against them.

Since its independence in 1948, Israel has fought four wars: The war in 1948 and 1949 -- that was the War for Independence -- the war in 1956, the Sinai campaign; the Six-Day War in 1967; and in 1973, when Egypt and Syria [attacked] on Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the year.

You have to understand that in all four cases, Israel was attacked. They were not the aggressors. Some people may argue that this was not true because they went in first in 1956, but they knew at that time that Egypt was building a huge military to become the aggressor. Israel, in fact, was not the aggressor and has not been the aggressor in any of the four wars.

Also, they won all four wars against impossible odds. They are great warriors. They consider a level playing field being outnumbered two to one. There were 39 Scud missiles that landed on Israeli soil during the Gulf War [1991]. Our President asked Israel not to respond. In order to have the Arab nations on board, we asked Israel not to participate in the war. They showed tremendous restraint and did not. Now we have asked them to stand back and not do anything over these last several attacks.

We have criticized them. We have criticized them in our media. Local people on television and radio often criticize Israel, not knowing the true facts. We need to be informed.

I was so thrilled when I heard a reporter pose a question to our Secretary of State, Colin Powell. He said: "Mr. Powell, the United States has advocated a policy of restraint in the Middle East. We have discouraged Israel from retaliation again and again and again because we've said it leads to continued escalation--that it escalates the violence. Are we going to follow that preaching ourselves?" Mr. Powell indicated we would strike back. In other words, we can tell Israel not to do it, but when it hits us, we are going to do something.

But all that changed in December when the Israelis went into the Gaza with gun ships and into the West Bank with F-16s. With the exception of last May, the Israelis had not used F-16s since the 1967 6-Day War. And I am so proud of them because we have to stop terrorism. It is not going to go away. If Israel were driven into the sea tomorrow, if every Jew in the Middle East were killed, terrorism would not end. You know that in your heart. Terrorism would continue.

It is not just a matter of Israel in the Middle East. It is the heart of the very people who are perpetrating this stuff. Should they be successful in overrunning Israel--which they won't be--but should they be, it would not be enough. They will never be satisfied.

Number Seven, I believe very strongly that we ought to support Israel; that she has a right to the land. This is the most important reason: Because God said so. As I said a minute ago, look it up in the book of Genesis. It is right up there on the desk.

In Genesis 13:14-17, the Bible says: "The Lord said to Abram, "Lift up now your eyes, and look from the place where you are northward, and southward, and eastward and westward: for all the land which you see, to you will I give it, and to your seed forever . . . Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it to thee." That is God talking.

The Bible says that Abram removed his tent and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar before the Lord. Hebron is in the West Bank. It is at this place where God appeared to Abram and said, "I am giving you this land'' - [including] the West Bank. This is not a political battle at all. It is a contest over whether or not the word of God is true. The seven reasons, I am convinced, clearly establish that Israel has a right to the land.

Eight years ago on the lawn of the White House, Yitzhak Rabin shook hands with PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat. It was a historic occasion. It was a tragic occasion.

At that time, the official policy of the Government of Israel began to be, "Let us appease the terrorists. Let us begin to trade the land for peace." This process continued unabated up until last year. Here in our own Nation, at Camp David, in the summer of 2000, then Prime Minister of Israel Ehud Barak offered the most generous concessions to Yasser Arafat that had ever been laid on the table.

He offered him more than 90 percent of all the West Bank territory, sovereign control of it. There were some parts he did not want to offer, but in exchange for that he said he would give up land in Israel proper that the PLO had not even asked for.

And he also did the unthinkable. He even spoke of dividing Jerusalem and allowing the Palestinians to have their capital there in the East. Yasser Arafat stormed out of the meeting. Why did he storm out of the meeting? Everything he had said he wanted was offered there. It was put into his hands. Why did he storm out of the meeting?

A couple of months later, there began to be riots, terrorism. The riots began when now Prime Minister Ariel Sharon went to the Temple Mount. And this was used as the thing that lit the fire and that caused the explosion.

Did you know that Sharon did not go unannounced and that he contacted the Islamic authorities before he went and secured their permission and had permission to be there? It was no surprise.

The response was very carefully calculated. They knew the world would not pay attention to the details. They would portray this in the Arab world as an attack upon the holy mosque. They would portray it as an attack upon that Mosque and use it as an excuse to riot. Over the last 8 years, during this time of the peace process, where the Israeli public has pressured its leaders to give up land for peace because they are tired of fighting, there has been increased terror.

In fact, it has been greater in the last 8 years than any other time in Israel's history. Showing restraint and giving in has not produced any kind of peace. It is so much so that today the Leftist peace movement in Israel does not exist because the people feel they were deceived.

They did offer a hand of peace, and it was not taken. That is why the politics of Israel have changed drastically over the past 12 months. The Israelis have come to see that, "No matter what we do, these people do not want to deal with us. ..... They want to destroy us."

That is why even yet today the stationery of the PLO still has upon it the map of the entire state of Israel, not just the tiny little part they call the West Bank that they want. They want it all.

We have to get out of this mind set that somehow you can buy peace in the Middle East by giving little plots of land. It has not worked before when it has been offered.

These seven reasons show why Israel is entitled to that Land.


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To: LostTribe
I have seen and read these types of theories before.

I do not have the background or Education to dispute them.

I think that we can all agree that the Jewish People of Israel today are descendants of the Israelites or Jews of Antiquity. Those other Children of the 10 "lost" tribes have long ago assimilated into wherever. They should not be considered as heirs to Abrahams promise from God in the Bible.

These Jewish people have been trodden upon by Gentiles for Millennia. From Antiochus To Titus and on through the Middle Ages! The Jews as we recognize them have been kicked out of almost every country ever known, including their own.

From Spain To Russia, and most of Arabia. The Jews have always been oppressed. It is well known of course they did thrive in such wonderful places such as Poland and Germany. That sure worked out well.

They say that Esau gave up his heritage for a bowl of soup! The Promise had it`s continuity in the Sons of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. We do not hear too much about the Sons of Esau, yet he was first born.

It is yet to be seen how many Jews there will be. The first Commandment in the Bible to man from God was to be fruitful and multiply! I think that we could see exactly that. Time will tell!

The Jewish people have contributed more to Civization than any other ethnic group on the face of the Earth! This all in the face of incredible adversity, and oppression!

The Jews thrive under oppression it seems to me. Should we continue to oppress Jews? I do not think so. The Jews are not going to be walking into any more ovens soon. They will stand and fight and they will pervail.

These people who are trying to destroy them wether by bombs or subterfuge such as Political maneuvering, even foolish history revisions (I really do not believe your theory) or any other means will not succeed in destroying those people.

I shall always support Israel.

101 posted on 12/01/2002 11:47:17 AM PST by Radix
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To: Southack
Your reasons all work. BTW, regarding your #7The Palestinians have a history of reneging on every deal that they enter. Even if their demands were met, they would soon be making other demands

Have you ever read THE PLO'S PHASED PLAN adopted in the wake of the Yom Kippur war, in recognition of the fact that the Arab’s couldn’t defeat Israel militarily?

They’re TELLING the world what they are going to do.

Article 2: Through the "armed struggle" (i.e., terrorism), to establish an "independent combatant national authority" over any territory that is "liberated" from Israeli rule.

Next, Article 4, continue the struggle against Israel, using the territory of the national authority as a base of operations

finally, article 8, provoke an all-out war in which Israel's Arab neighbors destroy it.

So much for negotiations, though from Oslo makes sense from this perspective. So does the “road map”

BTW, note articles 5 and 6, they’re planning on overthrowing Jordan along the way. After all, it is their true “homeland”

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THE PLO'S PHASED PLAN

Political Programme

Adopted at the 12th Session of the Palestinian National Council

Cairo, June 9, 1974

Text of the Phased Plan resolution:

The Palestinian National Council:

On the basis of the Palestinian National Charter and the Political Programme drawn up at the eleventh session, held from January 6-12, 1973; and from its belief that it is impossible for a permanent and just peace to be established in the area unless our Palestinian people recover all their national rights and, first and foremost, their rights to return and to self-determination on the whole of the soil of their homeland; and in the light of a study of the new political circumstances that have come into existence in the period between the Council's last and present sessions, resolves the following:

1. To reaffirm the Palestine Liberation Organization's previous attitude to Resolution 242, which obliterates the national right of our people and deals with the cause of our people as a problem of refugees. The Council therefore refuses to have anything to do with this resolution at any level, Arab or international, including the Geneva Conference.

2. The Liberation Organization will employ all means, and first and foremost armed struggle, to liberate Palestinian territory and to establish the independent combatant national authority for the people over every part of Palestinian territory that is liberated. This will require further changes being effected in the balance of power in favour of our people and their struggle.

3. The Liberation Organization will struggle against any proposal for a Palestinian entity the price of which is recognition, peace, secure frontiers, renunciation of national rights and the deprival of our people of their right to return and their right to self-determination on the soil of their homeland.

4. Any step taken towards liberation is a step towards the realization of the Liberation Organization's strategy of establishing the democratic Palestinian state specified in the resolutions of previous Palestinian National Councils.

5. Struggle along with the Jordanian national forces to establish a Jordanian-Palestinian national front whose aim will be to set up in Jordan a democratic national authority in close contact with the Palestinian entity that is established through the struggle.

6. The Liberation Organization will struggle to establish unity in struggle between the two peoples and between all the forces of the Arab liberation movement that are in agreement on this programme.

7. In the light of this programme, the Liberation Organization will struggle to strengthen national unity and to raise it to the level where it will be able to perform its national duties and tasks.

8. Once it is estabished, the Palestinian national authority will strive to achieve a union of the confrontation countries, with the aim of completing the liberation of all Palestinian territory, and as a step along the road to comprehensive Arab unity.

9. The Liberation Organization will strive to strengthen its solidarity with the socialist countries, and with forces of liberation and progress throughout the world, with the aim of frustration all the schemes of Zionism, reaction and imperialism.

10. In light of this programme, the leadership of the revolution will determine the tactics which will serve and make possible the realization of these objectives.

The Executive Committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization will make every effort to implement this programme, and should a situation arise affecting the destiny and the future of the Palestinian people, the National Assembly will be convened in extraordinary session.

102 posted on 12/01/2002 11:56:54 AM PST by SJackson
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To: wewereright
It's bad enough what the Israelis are doing in the occupied lands - but why should I have to help pay the cost?

First of all, the land belongs to Israel for the simple reason that they won it in battle (that the Arabs initiated). Do you have a problem with land won in this manner? If so, and to be consistent, perhaps you should get the hell out of the U.S....for after all, we did win our land in battles with Native Americans.

Secondly, when you and your ilk start protesting about the amount of money the American taxpayer gives to a terrorist sponsoring state (Egpyt, $2 billion/yr) and an actual terrorist organization (The PA, $500 million/yr) instead of just focusing solely on the amount we give to the only western democracy in the region (Israel), then perhaps your argument would have some validity. As it is now, you just look like an ignorant fool.

103 posted on 12/01/2002 11:58:16 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: LibertarianInExile
But if you agree with that concept, in theory, you shouldn't have cared about Hussein taking Kuwait, either. I didn't. An awful lot of Freepers ended up on GHWB's side there.

This does not follow. Just as Hussein took Kuwait, it was taken from him. By your logic, you should not care about the allies (US) taking it back. I don't particularily like the concept of an American Imperium imposing a PAX AMERICANA. But, the alternatives all look worse.

I would happily entertain any alternatives that you can come up with. Good ones would brighten up the future a bit. Though I must say, the future doesn't look necessarily horribly glum.

104 posted on 12/01/2002 12:05:17 PM PST by marktwain
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To: SJackson
Excellent....thanks for posting.
105 posted on 12/01/2002 12:16:46 PM PST by JulieRNR21
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To: LibertarianInExile
The Indians may have been here before European Whitemen, but recent excavation seem to indicate that the people we call, Indians, were not the first Native Americans.
106 posted on 12/01/2002 12:22:01 PM PST by Eva
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To: Johnny Shear
If you think both religions are equally to blame for the violence, you must know very little about Judaism. Islam is the ONLY world religion that MANDATES world conquest in its canon. That includes you and me, bro. Jews don't want to conquer you and make your wife a slave. They just want the little piece of turf that God gave them, as barren of oil and other natural resources as that is (a contrast with the resources being squandered by their Islamic neighbors).
107 posted on 12/01/2002 12:31:46 PM PST by Inkie
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To: SJackson
7 Reasons Why Israel is Entitled to The Land

1) Might makes right.
2) Might makes right.
3) Might makes right.
4) Might makes right.
5) Might makes right.
6) Might makes right.
7) Might makes right.
108 posted on 12/01/2002 12:39:51 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: Rye
Actually, in the Suez Crisis and the 6 Day War, the Israelis attacked first. It is a complete myth that Israel's wars have been solely defensive. Also, by attempting to steal the land in the first place, by swamping it with illegal immigrants (is this starting to sound familiar to what is going on in the USA today?), it was the Isrealis who initiated the conflict.

And you forgot (or never understood) that our tax money going to Egypt and the PA is going at the behest, and in the interests of, the Israelis. The money given to Egypt and the PA is bribe money to keep them subservient to Isreali interests.

It has worked in the case of Egypt, but not in the case of the PA, because unlike the Egyptians, the Israelis are actively pursuing a policy of ethnically cleansing the Palestinians, by a gradual process of colonization via settlements, and expulsion, land seizures, state terrorism (using weapons paid for by the US taxpayer, rather than suicide bombers), and economic strangulation. Under these circumstances, our bribe money to the PA is insufficient to prevent them (or other, non-PA forces) from striking back at the Israelis with whatever weapons they have (very few, which is why suicide bombers are used; it is the one weapon they have which has any effect).

Under such circumstances, we have just as much right to object to the detrimental effects of our tax dollars being used to fund Israeli aggression in the Occupied Territories, as we do of aid money going to Egypt or the PA. If we were not bound, hand and foot, in subservience to the Israeli lobby, we would not have to send billions of dollars every year, either to Israeli, or to our subservient or would-be subservient clients in Egypt and Palestine. If we weren't being dragged into this mess by treasonous forces within our country's elites, we wouldn't have to give a penney to either side.

To h_ll with both sides: they are getting, or will get, precisely what they deserve. There is no need for us to be dragged down with them.

109 posted on 12/01/2002 12:55:40 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
Indeed violence does solve everything!


You might want to consider reading some of Robert Heinleins stuff.

He was a sort of Philosopher who wrote things about his beliefs and shrouded them with Science Fiction type characters and story lines.

Starship Troopers was a fairly short book that you might appreciate.

Might makes Right.

LoL!
110 posted on 12/01/2002 12:56:50 PM PST by Radix
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To: aisgreen
Cool, I am not alone! TY!
112 posted on 12/01/2002 1:07:47 PM PST by Radix
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To: Ajnin
Israel is a socialist basketcase. If it weren't being artificially propped up by billions in foreign aid and other outside sources of income, it would have collapsed years ago. Sure, if you invest outrageously large sums of money on modern equipment, and steal water from the Arabs, you can "make the dessert bloom", something the Arabs couldn't do.

But then, a) the Arabs are living in a desert, b) the Arabs don't have access to billions in foreign money which they can waste on inefficient, water-wasteful modern farming techniques. Pull the plug on the Israeli gravy train, and force them to live on solely their own resources and efforts, and we will quickly see there is nothing "miraculous" about the state of Israel.

It is a parasite and a socialist sparta; Israel needs to do a little soul-searching and reform before it moves to take more land that doesn't belong to it. If Israel had to pay the bill for its own aggression, or its own economic "experiments", it would rapidly reform itself. As long as we continue to pay for its existence, it has no incentive to do so.

113 posted on 12/01/2002 1:10:44 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: Radix
>I think that we can all agree that the Jewish People of Israel today are descendants of the Israelites or Jews of Antiquity.

Yes.

>Those other Children of the 10 "lost" tribes have long ago assimilated into wherever.

There is no evidence whatever to support this "traditional" view.  It is the politically correct view, strictly a "default" position offered long ago by those who had no answer but were not honest enough to simply say "I don't know".

That "answer" has been accepted down through the years (for it does solve a number of touchy political and biblical problems) and became part of church "custom and tradition", much like saying the earth was flat and the center of the universe.  But to say the Lost Tribes of Israel "assimilated" is as totally lacking in merit as saying "Jesus spent most of his life as a carpenter".  There is no Biblical support whatever for Jesus swinging a hammer after age 12.

>These Jewish people have been trodden upon by Gentiles for Millennia.

What does that have to do with who are Israelites, assuming it is literally true?  Do you really know who the Gentiles are?

>The Jews as we recognize them have been kicked out of almost every country ever known, including their own.

That has no bearing whatever on whether or not todays Jews are the worlds only Israelites.

>The Jewish people have contributed more to Civization than any other ethnic group on the face of the Earth!

Jews have generally found a welcome haven in the company of their ethnic cousins, the Celts who make up the majority of Europeans and Americans.  Jews are not a separate "ethnic" group, other than being a part of the white race.

>Should we continue to oppress Jews?

Hey, I'm not oppressing Jews!  Are you oppressing Jews?

>These people who are trying to destroy them ...  by ... foolish history revisions

I'm sorry you miss then entire point of my post.  I am neither trying to "destroy Jews", nor engaging in "foolish history revisions".  I am trying to support my Jewish cousins by helping both them and their Celtic cousins understand who there really are!

Do you think there is no reason why Jews find a safe haven in the nations of their cousins.  Do you think there is no reason why America and Europe today are the only nations on earth supporting Jews and the new Nation Israel?  Do you think there is no reason why Jews and Celts looks so much like cousins?

>I shall always support Israel.

Me too, but I shall do so on my own terms, which foremost includes getting the historic facts right and supporting for the right reasons.

114 posted on 12/01/2002 1:11:50 PM PST by LostTribe
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To: SJackson
You can add me to this list please!
115 posted on 12/01/2002 1:16:16 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
Actually, in the Suez Crisis and the 6 Day War, the Israelis attacked first. It is a complete myth that Israel's wars have been solely defensive.

I suppose you're completely unaware that Israel's firing of the first shots in that war was a pre-emptive strike against massive Arab forces built up on Israel's borders. ...Or perhaps you just choose to ignore the facts at your convenience? And btw, the Israelis kicked the holy crap out of all those Arab nations completely without U.S. aid of any kind, including weapons. They were using mostly home grown or French equipment at the time.

we have just as much right to object to the detrimental effects of our tax dollars being used to fund Israeli aggression in the Occupied Territories, as we do of aid money going to Egypt or the PA. If we were not bound, hand and foot, in subservience to the Israeli lobby

I agree with you that we shouldn't be sending tax dollars to either side (or ANY country for that matter), but your paranoid rant about the vast influence of "the Israeli lobby" is getting old. Those Jooos sure are powerful, eh?

because unlike the Egyptians, the Israelis are actively pursuing a policy of ethnically cleansing the Palestinians

You have a problem with the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians? I don't. And I suspect you wouldn't either if not for your blind and irrational hatred of all things Israeli/Jewish. As far as the Egyptians are concerned, they're second only to the Saudis when it comes to the dissemination of anti-U.S. propaganda, and inspiring terrorism against us. But of course (in your mind) none of this would be a concern if we merely stopped supporting the "Zionist entity."

116 posted on 12/01/2002 1:17:54 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: SJackson; Yehuda; rmlew; newwahoo; Cacique
I can think of 3 very strong reasons not yet posted I believe...

(Exo 23:20 KJV) Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
(Exo 23:21 KJV) Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
(Exo 23:22 KJV) But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
(Exo 23:23 KJV) For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.
(Exo 23:24 KJV) Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.
(Exo 23:25 KJV) And ye shall serve the LORD your God, and he shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee.
(Exo 23:26 KJV) There shall nothing cast their young, nor be barren, in thy land: the number of thy days I will fulfil.
(Exo 23:27 KJV) I will send my fear before thee, and will destroy all the people to whom thou shalt come, and I will make all thine enemies turn their backs unto thee.
(Exo 23:28 KJV) And I will send hornets before thee, which shall drive out the Hivite, the Canaanite, and the Hittite, from before thee.
(Exo 23:29 KJV) I will not drive them out from before thee in one year; lest the land become desolate, and the beast of the field multiply against thee.
(Exo 23:30 KJV) By little and little I will drive them out from before thee, until thou be increased, and inherit the land.
(Exo 23:31 KJV) And I will set thy bounds from the Red sea even unto the sea of the Philistines, and from the desert unto the river: for I will deliver the inhabitants of the land into your hand; and thou shalt drive them out before thee.
(Exo 23:32 KJV) Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods.
(Exo 23:33 KJV) They shall not dwell in thy land, lest they make thee sin against me: for if thou serve their gods, it will surely be a snare unto thee.




(Deu 9:1 KJV) Hear, O Israel: Thou art to pass over Jordan this day, to go in to possess nations greater and mightier than thyself, cities great and fenced up to heaven,
(Deu 9:2 KJV) A people great and tall, the children of the Anakims, whom thou knowest, and of whom thou hast heard say, Who can stand before the children of Anak!
(Deu 9:3 KJV) Understand therefore this day, that the LORD thy God is he which goeth over before thee; as a consuming fire he shall destroy them, and he shall bring them down before thy face: so shalt thou drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the LORD hath said unto thee.
(Deu 9:4 KJV) Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee.
(Deu 9:5 KJV) Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.



(Jer 31:33 KJV) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
(Jer 31:34 KJV) And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
(Jer 31:35 KJV) Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
(Jer 31:36 KJV) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
(Jer 31:37 KJV) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

117 posted on 12/01/2002 1:30:38 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
Actually, in the Suez Crisis and the 6 Day War, the Israelis attacked first. It is a complete myth that Israel's wars have been solely defensive.

LOL, talk about myths.

Actually, the 67 war started in May, when Nasser not only ordered the U.N.E.F forces out of the Sinai, but also imposed a naval blockade on the Gulf of Aqaba , as clear an act of war as you’ll find anywhere.

The 56 war, want to tell me when the post 48 attacks ended? Of course, you discount the naval blockade of the Straits of Tiran, I’m sure. Yeah, Israel just woke up one day and said, “Gee, who can we attack today”, and well, there was no one but poor victimized Egypt, minding her own business, no time to mobilize (LOL)

Almost as nasty as what we did to Afghanistan, no proper warning and all.

118 posted on 12/01/2002 1:30:38 PM PST by SJackson
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To: LostTribe
I meant you no offense.

I just do not know enough about your post about the lost tribes being the Western Europeans and all that. I simply have not researched the matter. You might be 100% correct. I do not know this stuff. It seems farfetched because I have never studied it.

My point (I think that I had a point) was that The "JEWS" have been opressed for 2000 years and more!

I was not talking about the sons of Esau or the sons of Ishmael, nor the sons of Ham and Japeth.

I was meaning the Jews. You know the ones that every one recognizes. You know, the ones, the so called " Christ killers." Those people, they have been under the boot of non-Jews for generations! It is horrible , what has happened to those people during the last 22 centuries.

I admire them so much for their perseverance.

I have no strife toward you my friend. I find your post and profile to be fascinating stuff. I would like to know more about the matter.

BTW, I have read your profile before, some weeks ago.

I do try to pay attention to things!

Regards!
119 posted on 12/01/2002 1:38:28 PM PST by Radix
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To: Radix
>I have no strife toward you my friend. I find your post and profile to be fascinating stuff. I would like to know more about the matter.

Thanks for the note, my friend. We are all on the same side, searching for truth and God's enlightenment wherever we can find it.

120 posted on 12/01/2002 1:44:41 PM PST by LostTribe
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