3 major U.S. Civil War movies due in 2003: Could Rebel Flag Revival Follow? (My Title)

The Washington Times ^ | November 29th, 2002 | Scott Bowles

[End The Hypocrisy]

Three MAJOR civil war cinema epics are due in 2003. 1) Robert Duvall plays Robert E. Lee in Gods & Generals, out Feb. 21; 2) Jude Law portrays a jaded confederate in Cold Mountain, due Dec. 25, 2003; and 3) Tom Cruise plays a Civil War veteran who witnesses the end of a Japanese culture in The Last Samurai, due Dec. 12, 2003. Gods & Generals is replete with special effects, although director Maxwell still used more than 10,000 extras to re-create battle scenes.

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>>>If you dont want to then let's see you put some action behind your hubris. Go storm the Capital! Sieze the fort! Raid the town! <<<


Folks like you WISH we were that simplistic.

[VaBthang4]

You lost me with your anti-logic.

I shouldnt prefer the American Flag?

[SCDogPapa]

Live with it.

I do,,,every day.

[VaBthang4]

Oh I see...

Whining online is gonna bring about the paradigm shift necessary for the Hillbilly flag to take root outside of your merry incompetent band.

Got it.

~Grin~

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>>>You lost me with your anti-logic<<<

It's unsurprising how a statist like you is so quick to blame others for your being so logically lost. Perhaps you should raise everyone's taxes to hire yourself a private tutor?

[wardaddy]

I've got Bedford on my foyer wall myself to greet everyone with his stern gaze....leaves little room to visitors were I stand on revisionism and the culture war..lol...and the Bonnie Blue is my front tag plate on my ancient Land Rover.

And Yes...damn right there is a 10 pointer with a 20" spread above the fireplace mantle in my den.

Happy Thanksgiving Hack!

[SCDogPapa]

Are you suggesting we abandon the Stars and Stripes?

Of course not! It's the Flag of my country.

[End The Hypocrisy]

Be sure to hire such a tutor from the teachers' unions though, you know the ones that won't let more Southern states use vouchers even as their S.A.T. averages continue to lag behind the rest of the nations'.

[Petronski]

Anyone but Sheen as Lee for G-d's sake. Duvall should be good.

I hope they have someone else to do the beards this time. Yikes.

[Petronski]

...but as for Nicole Kidman and Renee Zellweger, I have other roles in mind for them two.

Sinner.

;)

[End The Hypocrisy]

>>>Whining online is gonna bring about the paradigm shift necessary for the Hillbilly flag to take root outside of your merry incompetent band. <<<


Did you see what happened on November 5th?

[Pitchfork]

Well you managed to straw man my argument pretty well.
Frankly, I'll have to rely on your account of what occurs at Klan meetings, I don't attend them.

I'll accept that the Klan flies the Stars and Stripes. They probably make strong use of Christian symbols as well. The issue of course is exclusivity. The US flag is widely displayed and has a stronger symbolic meaning which those who display it are attempting to co-opt. Same with the crucifix. However, buring crosses are not ubiquitously displayed and have a meaning which is exclusive to certain viewpoints. Symbols are also very contextually determined. A fist raised by a white man in celebration at a sporting event is different from a fist raised by a black man at a civil rights rally.

The CBF means something different when Civil War re-enactment groups march under it, or when its raised at an historic fort than when it appears at a Klan meeting or flys from the top of a state house or some other government insitution. Surely you can see this?

[wardaddy]

One of your kindred do-gooder self righteous South hating pals is using the argument that the Battle Flag is tarred because the Klan flies it.

However, Old Glory as well flies quite visibly at every Klan rally I've seen on TV or in print.

I of course consider Old Glory my first flag. It flies off my front porch and sticks on the back of every vehicle I own as well as windows of my offices.

The Battle Flag along with other Southern stuff is for me personally part of my heritage. My ancestors died in that war and I don'tintend to abandon their memory for the good graces of political correctness or the constantly exploited victimhood of slavery and it's residue.

If you are not Southern, then why is it your business?

I tell the do-gooders constantly on this forum that when the "who's racially sensitive enough for our criteria" Gestapo are thru exploiting Southern sensitivities that they will come for the rest of you. All American heritage period is at stake at their hands.

Just look around you at Academia and liberal judges and all these so-called civil rights groups from the ADL to SPLC....their quest to purge anything that can offend anyone except their pet group is fair game.

[Mr. Bird]

I doubt you'll ever see a legitimate secession movement in the continental U.S. Remember, even the reddest of red states had hundreds of thousands of Gore voters (sometimes millions). What we COULD end up seeing is a slow emigration of certain demographics to (seemingly) more hospitable nations. However, the U.S. still appears to be the leader among nations when it comes to freedom and prosperity, despite the ills you mention. I can certainly see the eventual downfall of America owing a lot to the issues being raised on this thread.

I believe Pitchfork has it right: justly or not, the battle flag has taken on a disreputable connotation. You, and the many people who cherish it, will NOT change that. Even though the causes for the War Between the States are more nuanced than the slavery vs. abolition debate, that is the defining notion of the war. In a nation that has such a difficult time teaching basic education, good luck changing people's minds on that.

So, yes, you can be correct about a number of different things regarding the history of the South, of slavery, of the battle flag, and even Old Glory. But I'm sure I'm not the first, or last, to tell you that your views did not win over time. The consensus has been built, and written, and you can cry in your beer, or rant on the internet about it, but it's over. I suggest concentrating on what's going on now in the world. Maybe you can fly the Stars and Bars over an occupied Baghdad someday......

[wardaddy]

Berenger was ok as Longstreet....but I like Berenger. I couldn't watch Sheen make rain if I was paid. I'm glad I saw Apocalypse Now before I knew what an arsewipe he was.

[x]

Lee did not oppose slavery. He saw it as an evil, but a necessary one, that would not, could not and should not be done away with any time soon. This hardly qualifies as "opposition" in any real sense. Lee's stance was far more proslavery than anything Abraham Lincoln said, and Lincoln is attacked every day here for his views. If we are going to be honest about the War we shouldn't stretch Lee's concern about slavery farther than he took it himself. See Lee's letter to Pierce.

Lee inherited slaves from his father-in-law, Mr. Custis, whose will provided that the slaves be freed in five years. In keeping with the will, the slaves were freed at the end of that period. This happened because of Custis's expressed intention, not because of any particular virtue or desire on Lee's part.

[wardaddy]

I must confess ignorance at what exactly strawman means...if I did so, it was unintentional.

You are quite correct. A flag's display in context is pivotal as to how folks feel about the display.

I for one have always had an aversion to both the CBF and Old Glory being flown by the Klan and alongside Nazi Banners.....since the 70s I might add when I saw my first and only Klan parade in Tupelo Mississippi when I was working their in the summer of 1975. I watched as a spectator in amusement and some resentment until I saw a Klansman pull a Thompson from his trunk after exchanging harsh words with some Communist Worker's Party idiots.

As fate would have it, those two groups were set to collide later in Greensboro NC.

[Pitchfork]

Ah, you've abandoned the straw man ploy and have moved on to the slippery slope! We're really getting the full gamit of flawed rhetorical devices here! Your argument that (paraphrasing) if we don't stop the agents of political correctness here they won't stop until they've removed is baseless. What symbol would be the next one to be banned from flying over the state house? Any ideas?

I don't object to the flag being placed in its historical context. You have every right to honor your dead forebearers by re-enacting battles, visiting gave sites, mainting Forts and ships etc. BUT the flag's symbolic meaning is driven by context and it should never be flown from a public building or seat of government. In this context the historicity of it is eclipsed by the racially charged message it sends.

[wardaddy]

Mr. Sadie Frost?