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1 posted on 11/28/2002 7:06:02 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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When the Lord Jesus Christ encountered Satan in the desert he rebuked and refuted Satan's claims..
When the Prophet Mo' encountered Satan in the desert...one of his wives convinced Mo that he was hearing the Angel of the Lord and as a result wrote the Koran..
60 posted on 11/28/2002 8:42:26 PM PST by joesnuffy
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To: TLBSHOW
bump for later
61 posted on 11/28/2002 8:43:10 PM PST by babygene
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To: TLBSHOW
Muslims worship the moon god...
74 posted on 11/28/2002 8:55:08 PM PST by RnMomof7
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Christians and Jews don't believe in Allah (except for Cardinal Law).
86 posted on 11/28/2002 9:04:27 PM PST by Michael2001
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NO !!!
91 posted on 11/28/2002 9:07:06 PM PST by AFPhys
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TLB,

Thanks for this--I hope you had a good Thanksgiving.

One time when I was flying out of the United Arab Emirates (UAE), a car came speeding up to the aircraft as I was doing a pre-flight inspection. A man walked out carrying my bible, which I had left at the Hilton Hotel I had stayed at the previous night.

I was very grateful and accepted it. The man picked up the book like it was a piece of manure, and handed it to me like it was radioactive.

He gave also gave me an English copy of the Koran. I found this interesting, and I read portions of it the next day.

I defy anyone to read the Koran and not see it as a bunch of tripe. Every 4th or 5th sentence is entirely out of context, nonsensical, and completely contradictory.

126 posted on 11/28/2002 9:28:39 PM PST by SkyPilot
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For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ

John

Can't find anything in Scriptures about Mohummad. I vote NO!

133 posted on 11/28/2002 9:33:23 PM PST by Conservative4Ever
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Do Moslems, Christians & Jews Believe in the Same God?

No. Muhammad's innovation stands in about the same relationship to the Judeo/Christian deity as does that of L.Ron Hubbard.
156 posted on 11/28/2002 9:54:50 PM PST by aruanan
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Here's the official teaching of The Catechism of the Catholic Church. I accept it as truth that:
The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day." [CCC, 841]
As I understand it, this teaching says that, insofar as the Muslims worship the same God as Abraham, they worship the One and Only true God. This does not mean that Islam is "just as good as" Chistianity; it does mean that Muslims perceive a piece of the Truth, but not the Whole Truth. When a Muslim sees Allah he sees God, but a warped, distorted image of God, filtered through the dark glass of Arab tribal paganism and Satanic disinformation. The Whole Truth exists solely within the Church; therefore, there is no salvation outside the Church.

However, this does not mean anything as crude as "only baptized Catholics go to Heaven". Rather,

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation. [CCC 846-7]

In other words: Christ is the only Way to Heaven, and only those who seek and accept Him as Lord and God will be saved; however, God is not bound by His Own sacraments, and may, though acts of Divine Mercy, preserve those who sincerely seek Truth (and therefore Him) at the Last Day. How God saves people is His Own affair.

But this does not mean that all religions are equal! This simply means that only God is a Perfect Judge, and only He can be counted upon to give every one of us the afterlife that he or she truly deserves. (The thought of myself getting what I truly deserve frankly scares the crap out of me.) We cannot judge who is saved; our job is to tell the world Who Jesus is so that they can be saved:

"Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize ." [CCC 848]
So: do the Muslims pray to the same God as Christians and Jews? If they are praying to the God of Abraham, the answer is yes. But despite that, Islam is still an error, a heresy, and a damnable lie based upon the denial of the Incarnation, Resurrection, and Eternal Kingship of Jesus Christ, and should be vigorously opposed by all followers of Our Lord and Master. Satan's claws are sunk deep into Islam; although his infernal power cannot extinguish the spark of Truth that lies at its heart, the fact remains that any Muslims in Heaven will be there in spite of the teachings of Mohammed, not because of them.
159 posted on 11/28/2002 10:01:52 PM PST by B-Chan
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read later bump
178 posted on 11/28/2002 10:18:57 PM PST by freedom9
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Even Samurais who do not refuse combat and refuse suicide have more faith than muslims.

We know who created Islam's djins and it is the muslims themselves. A religion that privileges itself is not a religion intent on freedom of blessing.
227 posted on 11/29/2002 12:00:41 AM PST by lavaroise
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BTTT
231 posted on 11/29/2002 12:53:56 AM PST by Dajjal
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There is and always will be only one God. And he is the God of all. But he LOVES his children. No interpretation of him build on a theology of hatred consequently can be an accurate interpretation of his relationship with man.

When Mohamed first wrote the Koran he said that he was not certain if he had been inspired by God but rather by Satan. (Consequently Moslems aversion to any reference to Satanic verses.) Sounds as if he was right, and that he was partially or wholly inspired by Satan.

Problems:
1. There are presently one billion followers of Islam.
2. Religious wars tend to go on for long periods, hundreds of years not being uncommon.
3. Small groups of fanatical followers can do enormous damage to modern civilized societies.
4. Cells of this belief are pushing the potential for it.s hatred and destruction to the limits. And they are doing it in the United States.
5. The potential recruiting grounds for the most radical elements of this religion, in our nations prisons is unlimited and has been underway for some time.

Problem how to neutralize the radical elements, and promote and assist the rest of the faith to undergo the religious transformation into modernity.

Presumption: We have one h..l of a job ahead of us.
A 30-year struggle is an optimistic prediction.


233 posted on 11/29/2002 1:01:19 AM PST by Pliney the younger
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The real enemy is Arab culture. That is why these idiots are from Saudi Arabia and Yemen, and train in Afghanistan.
237 posted on 11/29/2002 3:18:34 AM PST by Blood of Patriots and Tyrants
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Bump
249 posted on 11/29/2002 6:42:02 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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From the Jewish Book of Isaiah, written about 700 years before Christ- date and original text accuracy further verified by recent discovery of Dead Sea scrolls:

For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be upon His shoulders,
And He will be called
Wonderful Counseler, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 9:6
258 posted on 11/29/2002 7:12:17 AM PST by keats5
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Do Moslems, Christians & Jews Believe in the Same God?

Who cares?

283 posted on 11/29/2002 11:25:27 AM PST by Publius6961
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what Moslems fundamentally believe is that they know the true nature of the God

Actually, listening to a Catholic tape series on Islam - they talk about how Allah is "unknowable" - which makes it impossible to discern whether 'Allah is telling you to do something or whether it is from "Shetan'

My guess is most of the time they're one and the same.

So no, of course Islam, Christianity, and Judaism don't worship the same God. (no Muslim worth his salt would agree that they do either).

285 posted on 11/29/2002 11:31:17 AM PST by Terriergal
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ping
299 posted on 11/29/2002 11:56:11 AM PST by Cacique
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Where do you think Mohammad got all that stuff about Abraham, anyway? The Buddhists?
382 posted on 11/30/2002 7:18:42 PM PST by beavus
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