Do Moslems, Christians & Jews Believe in the Same God?

frontpagemag ^ | 11/28/2002 | Serge Trifkovic

[InvisibleChurch]

Baal and his buddies may be focuses of worship, but they are not really there.

[TLBSHOW]

There is one GOD, and his name is not allah.


BUMP

[iconoclast]

To paraphrase a well known American "cleric" (and the irony is delicious) "Islam is a gutter religion".

[Oberon]

As for the Arabs, they would have not noticed much difference between themselves in Lawrence's day and in the 13th century. Today, look at Baghdad, look at the Suadi's, look at Pakistan with it's nukes. All of that came out from scratch in a mere 80 years. Another 80 years will likely bring far, far more. Given the point from which they started, they are progressing far faster than the West. I am reminded also of Japan from 1864 to 1941.

Hmmm. I'm not certain that Arab "progress" in this case amounts to much more than the appropriation of Western technology. Have there been significant cultural changes amid the laptops and cellphones, or has Western-style communications infrastructure simply helped to create the best-connected 14-century Islamic state ever?

On the outside we see modern office buildings and airports in Riyadh and Abu Dhabi. On the inside, is there a significant change in Arabic thinking, or are they simply "progressing" toward the electronic caliphate, imposing sharia law with newfound Western efficiency?

[crystalk]

He was trying to promote his particular sect, and trying to show them how Jesus fit in, in the Hebraic cosmos, but I did not hear him say they were lost hellbound sinners if they did not see it his way...

And if he had it would have tended more to prove his own lack of grace, than their lostness....

[crystalk]

There may have been particular apikorsim, Jews who had lost their faith, that Jesus was warning in such harsh terms, but he could hardly have been addressing the entirety of his own people in this way.

One man he called "an Israelite indeed, in whom there is no guile."

On another occasion, explaining some of the more esoteric ideas he held, he marveled that "you are an elder in Israel, and do NOT know these things...??"

[Fiddlstix]

Bump

[lds23]

If they wanted to surrender or could safely be rescued out, sure. Otherwise, it may be unfortunate, but this is war.

Would you suggest we sacrifice many of our own to save those "one or two"? Would you be willing to be that sacrifice?

[lds23]

On family vacation last year, swung by Jamestown, VA (the "first settlement"). Besides food, shelter, etc., one of the first things they did was build a church.

Besides just the written word, there are myriad deeds that stand as testimony that country was built by God-fearing Christians, with Christian intent.

[DugwayDuke]

"Have you actually read the Old Testament? The God in its pages is a good deal more bloodthirsty than that of the Koran."

"YHWH regularly called for entire cities and nations to be exterminated to the last man, woman, child and domestic animal, whether they surrendered or not."

Deu 20:10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.

Deu 20:11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, [that] all the people [that is] found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.

Deu 20:12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:

Deu 20:13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:

Deu 20:14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, [even] all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.

[Sweet Hour of Prayer]

"No, not "very different." You're straining here. Had this passage been in the Koran, I think you'd use it against them."

YES, it is very different. In the book of Leviticus God is giving laws to only the JEWS and how THEY will live within the borders of the Holy Land. This is entirely different from the Koran's "kill the infidel where you find them." I don't think the world would mind if Muslims' kept their "Sharia" law within the borders of Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Pakistan, Jordan, Iraq (just how many nations do they need?). However, when they started forcing THEIR religious laws on the rest of the world... it's an entirely different matter. Muslims immigrating all over the world and causing unrest in every nation as they seek to implement their religious/political views on the nations they quietly invade. (Pretty convenient that Muslim men are allowed to marry 4 women, pretty much for breeding, that's a good way to build a religion).

In the book of Leviticus God has brought His people out of Eygypt and given them back the lands that had been promised to their heirs Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel). God directed them to destroy the inhabitants of the land because of their pagan acts. God also told them to not show pity on them but to destroy every man, woman, child and animal. These directions were limited to war to establish God's Holy Land during this time. Wars conducted outside the Holy Land, with neighbors did not have such instructions. Unfortunately, the Jews did show pity on several of the inhabitants, and as the Bible predicted, they have been a "thorn in their side" ever since.

[Luis Gonzalez]

[Sweet Hour of Prayer]

"There are presently one billion followers of Islam."

However! Muslims count their babies as "followers" of Islam. They are born into the religion. Thus, when the media compliantly pronounces that Islam is the fastest growing religion in America, they are merely attesting to the phenomenal birth rate of the Muslim immigrants. Let's see, four wives, 3-4 babies a piece... the American welfare system will support them. They'll be raised to vote anti-Israel. I think that's the main purpose.

[nicmarlo]

God is not willing that any perish, true. However, some will, and it isn't because God chooses that. If I would have chosen to disbelieve, then I would perish. Free will can lead to salvation, but it shall also lead to other's damnation. That thought does not make me happy. But it is the truth. Therefore, it is incumbent upon us to "go and tell," so that others will hear the Word and thereby believe. Even the angels in heaven rejoice when another believer shall be added to the roles of heaven.

[keats5]

From the Jewish Book of Isaiah, written about 700 years before Christ- date and original text accuracy further verified by recent discovery of Dead Sea scrolls:

For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be upon His shoulders,
And He will be called
Wonderful Counseler, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 9:6

[Oberon]

It is the West that is the corrupting influence, the one that naturally corrodes strong religious values.

I would submit to you that strong religious values are only of value when the religion in question is valid. In other words, if Allah is the One True God and Mohammed is His prophet, then 'strong religious values' in adherence to Islam are a good thing. Of course, if the opposite premise is true, then so also is the opposite conclusion.

One could easily argue, however, that regardless of the relative worth of Islam, replacing it with shallow Western hedonism and greed doesn't exactly represent a step up. Because our culture is in its decadence, this is what we see when we look around us. I would remind you, though, that hedonism and greed (and intellectual gymnastics in the service of hedonism and greed) are only the latest veneer on this society of ours. Its foundation is laid on something else.