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Bush Signs Bill, Names Kissinger to Head Sept. 11 Probe
Fox News ^ | Nov. 27, 2002 | Major Garrett

Posted on 11/27/2002 7:33:43 AM PST by Brandon

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:35:13 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: swarthyguy
"Karzai is the USA's handpicked candidate; a rarity - a Pashtun but secular and modern. And with virtually no indigenous support in the country, unfortunately."

Well, the Bush administration looked around long and hard, and waited for the endorsement of the former King before backing Karzai...I wouldn't go so far as to say that makes him the "USA's handpicked candidate."

He seems to be holding his own with the Afghan citizenry. He's pushing what they want: infrastructure. It's the terrorists, with their backing in Pakistan, that are constantly trying to assassinate him.

121 posted on 11/27/2002 11:19:08 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: Brandon
Can someone help me out with my memory of this:

I seem to recall that there is some sort of 'urban legend' or maybe true story about Kissinger giving a speech to some group of international 'leaders' (I hate that word. They are either elected representatives or they are some type of dictator/king) such as the CFR or UN or something.

The gist of the speech was that, while the US would resist a direct attack from a foreign source, they would gladly give up all their power to a group such as the UN if the conditions were right. Those conditions would be such that the US public would crave security so much that they would look to the US gov. or the UN gov. or whatever to protect them, hence they would give up all their rights.

And now I see Henry is hand chosen from the elite inner circle of world 'leaders' to recommend next steps ?????

Does someone have better info about this Kissinger episode??

Silas
122 posted on 11/27/2002 11:20:51 AM PST by Silas
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To: Peach
Thanks for the information.

When you said Kenneth M. Pollack the name sounded familiar so I did a search. I now remember listening to his Testimony I believe on C-Span.

1998 Congressional Hearings
Iraq: AreSanctions Collapsing? Senate Foreign Relations Committee
Energy and Natural Resources Committee
joint hearing
May 21, 1998
Prepared Testimony of Dr. Kenneth M. Pollack,

1998 Congressional Hearings

123 posted on 11/27/2002 11:22:08 AM PST by Spunky
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To: cake_crumb
The point was not where I heard of Free Republic but when. The stated link indicates time frame, Clinton scandals were all the news then. As far as links and sources for what I said there are archives here that cover the Clinton era, Mena and all, there is more material than you would care to read through. As far as the Senate hearings goes it was on tape so both C-Span and the Senate(or Nat. Archives) would have records of it, transcripts and tape. I saw it, I heard it and the info was documented more places than in the book I referenced. I never heard anyone doubt that drugs were flown into Mena. The only denials were who knew and who profited. Ben-Veniste basically told Damato that he didn't want to investigate Mena as it would not be just Clinton who looked bad. That was not a mere courtroom diversionary tactic, it was a very real threat. Ben-Veniste being Barry Seals lawyer would have knowledge that would be deadly serious and Damato knew it. This stuff is not unsubstantiated as you claim. Perhaps you are not familiar with it but do a search yourself here at FR.

The larger point being in my original post is that when government investigates itself do not expect truth to be the outcome. Parties aside DC is a company town and bureaucracies live forever. No one comes clean or takes a rap when there is a screw up, wrong doing or a big scandal. If anything does happen it's the whistle blowers that suffer.

cordially,

124 posted on 11/27/2002 11:30:16 AM PST by u-89
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To: Silas
"I seem to recall that there is some sort of 'urban legend' or maybe true story about Kissinger giving a speech to some group of international 'leaders' (I hate that word. They are either elected representatives or they are some type of dictator/king) such as the CFR or UN or something."

You got me there...are you sure you're not thinking of CLARK Kissinger, head of "Remove and Resist", and "writer for the Revolutionary Worker newspaper, which is the paper of the Revolutionary Communist Party, for twenty years"?

125 posted on 11/27/2002 11:38:45 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: Brandon
Be prepared for more disappointments.
126 posted on 11/27/2002 11:40:45 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: u-89
MY point was: got accusations?? Provide confirmable proof.
127 posted on 11/27/2002 11:42:36 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: AZ Navy Vet
He(Bush) was on a month long vacation during a time of extremely high intelligence chatter?

Now I know that you are a demo plant, not only are you against Pinochet, the person who brought peace and prosperity to Chile and saved it from being a Cuba like "paradise", but you also had to bring up the old liberal canard that Bush was swigging beer and being a couch potato when he is in Crawford, TX.

You must have loved serving in the Clinton "military".

128 posted on 11/27/2002 11:42:39 AM PST by Dane
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To: Spunky
You're welcome, Spunky. You have an awesome memory! Happy Thanksgiving.
129 posted on 11/27/2002 11:44:31 AM PST by Peach
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To: Dane
I have asked for proof as well, but alas, nothing. I looked at the sign on date and have to wonder if it might be John McCain...
130 posted on 11/27/2002 11:44:52 AM PST by rintense
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To: Peach
Happy Holidays to you and yours too.

Somehow I can just see the dems face if Dubya suggesting displacing several hundred caribou to make sure we never have to depend upon the hated Saudi's for oil........oh, the illogic of their response!!!

131 posted on 11/27/2002 11:55:24 AM PST by OldFriend
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To: rintense; AZ Navy Vet
I have asked for proof as well, but alas, nothing. I looked at the sign on date and have to wonder if it might be John McCain..

Him or John Kerry, anyway his rants against Pinochet shows his true colors, IMO.

Demos and liberals have the same hatred for Pinochet as they do for Reagan.

Pinochet's "crime" is that he made Chile into a peaceful, prosperous, democratic republic, not the Cuban "paradise" Allende was striving for.

As an intersting aside, Allende got a plurality of 43% in the 1970 Chilean election, the same as Bill Clinton in 1992.

132 posted on 11/27/2002 11:56:37 AM PST by Dane
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To: OldFriend
"Somehow I can just see the dems face if Dubya suggesting displacing several hundred caribou to make sure we never have to depend upon the hated Saudi's for oil........oh, the illogic of their response!!!"

LOL...THAT'S an understatement, OldFriend!

133 posted on 11/27/2002 11:57:19 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: RCW2001; Brandon; Yehuda; dennisw
Here is another article on the subject with some more details, I also heard on the radio that the Demonrats ae appointing George Mitchell...sounds like CFR role call.
By Jennifer Loven
Associated Press Writer
Wednesday, November 27, 2002; 11:22 AM 

WASHINGTON –– President Bush signed legislation creating a new independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 attacks Wednesday and named former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger to lead the panel.

"This commission will help me and future presidents to understand the methods of America's enemies and the nature of the threats we face," Bush said at a White House signing ceremony with lawmakers, survivors and victims' families.

"This investigation should carefully examine all the evidence and follow all the facts wherever they lead," he said. "We must uncover every detail and learn every lesson of September the 11th."

"Dr. Kissinger will bring broad experience, clear thinking and careful judgment to this important task," Bush said at a signing ceremony in the Roosevelt Room of the White House. "Mr. Secretary, thank you for returning to the service of your nation."

Kissinger, speaking in the White House driveway, pledged to "go where the facts lead us."

"We are under no restrictions, and we will accept no restrictions," Kissinger said.

"This is not a matter simply for New York, it is a matter for all of America," said Kissinger, who has lived much of his life in New York City. He spoke briefly to family members before addressing reporters. "To the families concerned, there's nothing that can be done about the losses they've suffered, but everything must be done to avoid that such a tragedy can occur again."

Kissinger, one of the best known American diplomats of the 20th century, was secretary of state to Presidents Richard M. Nixon and Gerald R. Ford. He won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1973 with North Vietnam's Le Duc Tho for cease-fire negotiations during the Vietnam war. Kissinger also made a determined peacemaking effort in the Middle East and made repeated trips to the region.

The commission has a broad mandate, building on the limited joint inquiry conducted by the House and Senate intelligence committees. The independent panel will have 18 months to examine issues such as aviation security and border problems, along with intelligence.

Bush called on members to report back more quickly than 18 months, saying the nation needed to know quickly how it can avoid terror attacks in the future. "The sooner we have the commission's conclusions, the sooner this administration will act on them," Bush said.

However, Bush did not set as a primary goal for Kissinger to uncover mistakes or lapses of the government that could have prevented the Sept. 11 attacks. Instead, he said the panel should try to help the administration learn the tactics and motives of the enemy.

"This commission is not only important for this administration, this commission will be important for future administrations until the world is secure from the evildoers that hate what we stand for," Bush said. He pledged his administration will "continue to act on the lessons we've learned so far to better protect the people of this country. It's our most solemn duty."

The commission's creation is part of a bill authorizing intelligence activities in the 2003 budget year. Though most details of the legislation remain secret, lawmakers say it provides the biggest-ever increase in intelligence spending in an attempt to fix some counterterrorism weaknesses – such as a lack of information-sharing, a shortage of experts in certain key languages and new attention to traditional, human spying.

It was Bush's third major bill-signing in as many days and served as a holiday send-off for the president, who was leaving immediately afterward to spend the long Thanksgiving weekend at his Crawford, Texas, ranch.

Like the Homeland Security Department, the independent commission was an idea to which Bush's support came late.

The White House held that only Congress should investigate, arguing that an independent probe could distract administration officials from anti-terrorism efforts and produce leaks that could compromise intelligence operations. The change of heart came in September, as family members of Sept. 11 victims applied pressure and congressional hearings began to uncover intelligence and law enforcement failures.

The White House had concerns about the leadership and subpoena powers of the panel. Bush insisted only a bipartisan group should be able to compel testimony and documents, fearing that one-party subpoenas would lead to ineffective finger-pointing and allow the panel to be used merely to score political points.

The 10-member commission will be evenly divided between Republican and Democratic appointees. As Bush demanded, the president will name the chairman and it will take at least six members, in most cases, to approve subpoenas.

Fleischer said the changes would ensure the inquiry's usefulness. He also said Bush does not envision testifying before the panel.

But Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., a leading advocate of the commission, said it is likely Bush will be asked to address the panel.

"I would be surprised if this commission, in pursuit of the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help them God, did not want to speak with this president and high officials of this administration and previous presidents and high officials in previous administrations," Lieberman said.

In addition to serving as secretary of state, Kissinger also was national security adviser for Nixon and Ford from 1969-75. He made history in July 1971 when he made a secret trip to China, ending a Sino-American estrangement that had lasted for more than two decades.

He is the only secretary of state to have held down the job of national security adviser at the same time. He served in both posts from October 1973 to October 1975, when he left the NSC while retaining his role as secretary of state.

Kissinger also is well known for his efforts to achieve detente with the Soviet Union. The idea was to strengthen trade and economic ties with Moscow, giving the Soviets a stake in stable relations and perhaps taming Moscow's expansionist ambitions. The policy had mixed results.

© 2002 The Associated Press

134 posted on 11/27/2002 12:03:34 PM PST by jonatron
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To: cake_crumb
It really won't matter who else is appointed. Dr. K. will put them all to sleep.
136 posted on 11/27/2002 12:14:45 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: soycd
Good. If it helps the dimocRATs self-destruct I'm all for it

Pathetic. "Red team good, blue team bad!" Keep chanting, sheep...

137 posted on 11/27/2002 12:16:32 PM PST by Pistias
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To: jonatron
Motivation and tactics is part of intelligence gathering, so I'm going to take the author's analysis of the committee's responsibilities with a grain of salt.

It still seems that the committee is mostly meant to shut the Democrats up.

138 posted on 11/27/2002 12:18:19 PM PST by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
I cannot testify to the veracity of this statement, as I did not hear it. But I wouldn't be so quick to assume it's not true, even if it's not in the transcripts--it may NOT be true; but I no longer assume that b/c its not in a public record that it didn't happen. And as much as I like this president, the family Bush has its share of skeletons.

During the Iran-Contra hearings one afternoon, I heard then VP Bush's name mentioned in connection to some of the happenings in South America. I do not remember exactly what it was; I didn't write it down, but it was fairly damning. Later that evening on the news, we saw a clip of this exchange and the VP's name had been removed. I would have thought I was imagining the whole thing if I wasn't with a friend both times who verified the earlier hearings.

I agree with you that we need good research; unfortunately, I do believe some things are conveniently and deliberately expunged from records. I would like to believe differently.

139 posted on 11/27/2002 12:19:17 PM PST by twigs
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To: Peach
Anyone care to enlighten us just what it is Kissinger did with the KGB, or shall be just take your word for it?

Hehe. He worked with Breshnev to come to an "understanding" where as the United States would continue to support a position of "detente" while the Russians agreed to help support propaganda to help Nixon remain in office. Basically, Kissinger was willing to sellout the American people in return for a better shot at winning re-election. You could say he fell in-line with Nixon, Kennedy and Carter in terms of being leftist paper tigers on Communism. The KGB knew it and made frequent comments regarding his persona in their briefings.

140 posted on 11/27/2002 12:20:31 PM PST by YoungKentuckyConservative
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