Reply to article over Border Control

John Brogger

[John "from Minnesota"]

I find the rhetoric of the professional activists to be typical of the programing I have seen over the years.

As soon as the common people stand up to help the legally elected individuals who have sworn to uphold the State Constitution, the professional activists always insist on the State surrendering their sovereignty to either a Federal or United Nations entity. The preeminence of the State over any other governing entities has been reaffirmed numerous times by the State and Supreme courts. Isn't it curious to see how so many other "elected" individuals and others are so Hell bent on surrendering the rights of the people to an international group. It surely brings their dedication and oath to "serve an protect" the people into question.

When the sheriff is overwhelmed with a problem, it is the DUTY of the people to assist him to bring that problem under control. I salute those who have so unselfishly given of their own time and monies in the pursuit of helping to bring that overwhelming criminal problem under control. If they fail in their efforts, the "uninvolved" people of Arizona will rue the day they so foolishly abrogated their duty. History is replete with examples of the consequences of such indolence.

My family saw a similar invasion of their home country. Many of them sat back and excused themselves for their failure to act with such excuses as "it's not my problem", "It is God's will, and it is a sin to go against God's will?", and a plethora of other excuses. Nearly every one of them was murdered by the invaders. "Oh" you say "that can't happen here". To which I would reply "He who does not know history is DAMNED to repeat it", for it is indeed a curse to not learn from those who have been through a similar invasion. I am all too familiar with the systematic use of psychopolitics* on all parties concerned and the results thereof. Those who are bound and determined to destroy the sovereignty of this Nation and it's various States know no limits. To read their comments is to understand. Their term for the common man is "useful idiots" and "cannon fodder". Their contempt for individuals like you and me is indicative of their objectives.

May you prosper in your efforts to preserve your State and your lives.

John Brogger

*Psychopolitics: I will send you a copy of their manual if you desire.

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[Nephi]

Wow, this hasn't been censored...yet.

[madfly]

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[madfly]

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[grania]

I hope it isn't. There are a lot of serious issues here.

If the federal and state governments aren't going to protect its citizens from this invasion, well, isn't that what the right to bear arms is for?

About this new governor in Arizona. I wonder if she took this strong pro-invasion stance against her constituents in the campaign.

Now that the election is over we're seeing Mexican trucks getting more permission to transport goods in the US and more talk about amnesty and the safety of those who enter the country illegally.

Meanwhile, a lot of us Conservatives wanted a ban on partial birth abortion immediately. Is that going to be lost in the shuffle? A lot of people think the borders are a bigger deal for our safety then is starting a war in Iraq. I'm wondering about the priorities and goals here.

[madfly]

Her pro-invasion stance won her the election. Matt Salmon had more votes in Maricopa County (Phoenix,Tempe, Mesa, Scottsdale). Napolitano got over 80% in Pima & Santa Cruz counties, the border counties. She's bought and paid for and took a little trip with Gov. Hull to Mexico less than a week after the final votes were counted. She's neglected her duties as Attorney General, but the Salmon campaign missed a few things.

Like her innaction on getting Mexico to work with her to get these guys.

There's a thread on FR, Getting Away With Murder, on this story. Local TV investigative reporters broke story AFTER election.

Sheriff Joe's Most Wanted List

Juan Antonio Noperi Beltran Wanted for first-degree murder, Beltran is believed to be in Sonora, Mexico More >>		Antonio Perez Panduro Wanted for First-Degree Murder Panduro is believed to be in Colima, Mexico More >>
Jose Morales Cruz Believed to have fled to Mexico, Jose Cruz is wanted on two counts of First-Degree Murder More >>		Engelbert Parra-Coronado Parra Coronado is believed to have fled to have fled to Mexico. He is wanted on two counts of First-Degree Murder More >>
Juan Rodriguez Solis Suspected drug dealer believed to be in Mexico More >>		Luis Abel Ruiz Garcia Ruiz Garcia is believed to be in Mexico. He is wanted on murder and theft charges More >>
Martin Rodriguez Orozco Orozco is believed to be in Mexico. He is wanted for Sexual Conduct with a Minor Under 15 More >>		Jesus Armando Franco Believed to have fled to Mexico, Franco is wanted on charges of sexual misconduct with a minor under 15 years of age More >>
Judie Devise Blair Wanted on charges of fraud, theft and forgery amond others, Blair is believed to be in Mexico More >>		Adolfo Canez Ssuspected drug dealer More >>
Jose Luis Canez Suspected drug dealer More >>		Andres Castro Figueroa Believed to have fled to Mexico, Castro Figueroa is wanted on a Murder Conviction More >>
Hector Hernandez-Rios Suspected drug dealer More >>		Craig Bradley Kline Wanted on aggravated assault, Kline is believed to have fled to Mexico More >>
The Valley's Most Wanted Jose Daniel Camacho-Lopez Warrant out for First Degree Murder adn Armed Robbery More >>		The Valley's Most Wanted Brandon Romero Wanted on an outstanding warrant for probation violation. If you have information about this person contact: Glendale Police Department, 623-930-3000 More >>

[MissAmericanPie]

"Vigilante activity interferes with the legitimate enforcement of the law, he said."

There is no legitimate enforcement of the law going on. Out of all the parties involved here the citizen patrols are the least guilty of breaking the law.

"There have been calls like this before. . . . It is vigilantism, and there is no place for vigilantism," she said. "It hinders operations."

There is no place for government ignoring the laws of the people that hire them either. Exactly what operations are being "hindered" here? The operation to destroy America?

[Cacique]

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[Budge]

Their contempt for individuals like you and me is indicative of their objectives.

Exactly, with comments like this, "At the Cato Institute, where gun rights are among the bulwarks of a think tank with a Libertarian philosophy, the notion that the Constitution allows private citizens to raise a militia is dismissed as "utterly fanciful nonsense."

And, ""I don't know where this right is supposed to come from that they can take the law into their own hands . . . certainly not the Constitution," said Robert A. Levy, senior fellow for constitutional law with the Washington, D.C., institute."

These people will twist, pervert, lie or do anything to destroy this nation.

[4Freedom]

Was there a lot of illegal alien vote fraud at the polls in Arizona that anyone has discussed?

[madfly]

I've heard of nothing regarding that.

[Spiff]

My family saw a similar invasion of their home country. Many of them sat back and excused themselves for their failure to act with such excuses as "it's not my problem", "It is God's will, and it is a sin to go against God's will?", and a plethora of other excuses. Nearly every one of them was murdered by the invaders. "Oh" you say "that can't happen here". To which I would reply "He who does not know history is DAMNED to repeat it", for it is indeed a curse to not learn from those who have been through a similar invasion.

Some would say that you are exaggerating when you talk about the murderous invasions of the past in relation to the current invasion. I would call their attention to the photos below taken at the latest march held by the reconquista group Coalicion de Derechos Humanos as evidence that you may have a point.

These aren't Palestinian terrorists, they're reconquistas.

Lovely. Notice the DEAD white woman behind these two Mexican ladies.

So, how is it these guys plan to "reconquer" Aztlan again? Notice the firearm and the hood.

Red flags and banners? Didn't we see them used by the communists in the Russian and Chinese revolutions?

[husky ed]

Arizona leaders at the state and federal level are calling for investigations into armed civilian patrols along the state's border with Mexico.

They want to investigate LEGAL activity but not the ILLEGAL activity of the Mexicans. Makes sense.

"This group is tapping into a deeply embedded fear and generally a lack of knowledge of what's going on at the border." Meissner said.

That's it, we're just a bunch of uneducated hicks that don't know nothing.

Those advocating such activity say it is justified because of government failures, Meissner said.

It's not government failures. It is the government knowingly not inforcing the laws.

[madfly]

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[galt-jw]

I'd like a copy. good post. SOMEONE wants this country infiltrated. Not only do they refuse to STOP illegals, but PAY THEM with freebies for coming.

who in the hell do these little princes represent, we, the citizenry, or some dubious agenda designed to wreck the nation and the economy.

[FITZ]

Bush is pretty much caving into all of Fox's and Castaneda's threats and demands. They get non-stop access now to all American highways and cities. It's not worth putting up cameras at the border because they'll easily bring in illegals in buses and trucks now.

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

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[Wonder Warthog]

"I don't know where this right is supposed to come from that they can take the law into their own hands . . . certainly not the Constitution," said Robert A. Levy, senior fellow for constitutional law with the Washington, D.C., institute.

Any property owner can, either himself or using either volunteers and/or hired guards, defend his own property. The correct analogy is the hiring of security guards-who do NOT work for any level of government.