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1 posted on 11/25/2002 12:51:13 AM PST by sarcasm
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Money sent back to Mexico by immigrants — legal and illegal — accounts for a significant portion of Mexico's gross domestic product.

THEY NEED US.... WE DO NOT NEED THEM.

2 posted on 11/25/2002 12:56:34 AM PST by ikka
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Rep. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr., elected Nov. 5 as Maryland's next governor, said, "Probably the most negative feedback I've received in my eight years in Congress occurred as a result of" a House vote last year on the immigration issue.

"It is an important political issue with the Republican political base these days," he said.

"Immigration is viewed with suspicion across the board, particularly by the Republican base."

Will the RGA pass along this message to Bush....and will he get it?

3 posted on 11/25/2002 1:01:22 AM PST by gubamyster
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"Money sent back to Mexico by immigrants — legal and illegal — accounts for a significant portion of Mexico's gross domestic product."

You hear that America? It's not helping the US economy when it costs the taxpayers billions to subsidize this 'cheap' labor and they send the rest home to MEXICO. Get on your homeboys and scream about this issue pronto.

4 posted on 11/25/2002 1:09:07 AM PST by brat
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IMMIGRATION ISSUES
American Patrol.com
The Stein Report
Center for Immigration Studies
Numbers USA
California Coalition for Immigration Reform
Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform
CensusScope.org
"Immigrants, Not Americans, Must Adapt"


5 posted on 11/25/2002 1:18:56 AM PST by Cindy
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"It was never defined as amnesty for illegals so much as moving back to legalized work programs,"

Yeh, and it depends on what is is. It is no more than political dipsy-doodle, side-step. A rose by any other name...Clinton was excellent at hoodwinking, and this action is nothing more than hoodwinking, too--not restricted to a political party but politics as usual.
6 posted on 11/25/2002 1:43:53 AM PST by TomGuy
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The typical political spin by these pro-Bush governors makes it sound like the rank and file are completely against immigration. There is a big difference between controlled LEGAL immigration and TRESPASSING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. The people know the difference but the politicians don't want to acknowledge it.

Pandering to illegal immigrants hoping to woo legal Hispanic voters implies that legal Hispanic residents or citizens put their ethnic ties to the trespassers above obeying immigration law. That is a terrible insult to law-abiding Hispanics and the worst kind of race pandering. Legal Hispanic immigrants went to a lot of trouble to come to the United States. Why would they think it is perfectly OK for others to break the laws they obeyed?

9 posted on 11/25/2002 3:40:46 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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10 posted on 11/25/2002 4:33:42 AM PST by madfly
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11 posted on 11/25/2002 4:38:01 AM PST by madfly
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All illegals should be rounded up, charged, placed in jail, tried and then, if convicted, be held for 6 months in prison and then deported. I will vote against any politician that votes for an amnesty. Have we learned nothing since 9/11?
12 posted on 11/25/2002 4:55:30 AM PST by zx2dragon
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17 posted on 11/25/2002 5:43:38 AM PST by Tauzero
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I am planning to encourage my dog to cross into my neighbor's property. A couple of years from now, if the dog makes a corner of my neighbor's land his own... who knows, maybe we get a title issued for some of his land.

And, why not? My dog is a good dog and, by simply being there, he keeps the deer off my neighbor's bushes.

18 posted on 11/25/2002 5:51:19 AM PST by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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The president believes in his heart we are a nation of immigrants and we have to be fair. We are the land of opportunity.

I liked it better when America was a nation of Americans, not immigrants. And America should be the land of opportunity for Americans, and Mexico should be the land of opportunity for Mexicans.

22 posted on 11/25/2002 6:55:20 AM PST by Moonman62
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"Pandering I think is an inappropriate term," Mr. Ehrlich said. "The president believes in his heart we are a nation of immigrants and we have to be fair. We are the land of opportunity"

This is what the Republicans are doing that is enraging and will cause them to become extinct. We are fair, we are so freakin fair we are being destroyed and uprooted. We have a fair immigration policy, more than fair, it's so fair that it is unfair to natural born Americans.

Does Gov. Owens and the rest think we don't know these "guest workers", will bring their flea bitten families with them? Do these Governors and Bush, think that illegal invaders are going to suddenly stop invading because we have a guest worker program? Suddenly they are going to respect our sovereignty and laws? No, no guest worker programs, no amnesty's, no nothing, until and unless these invaders are deported, our borders guarded, and the average American is shown beyond doubt that D.C. is serious about this issue and not just attempting to placate the voters. To try to manipulate Americans sense of "fairness" and call upon our "compassion", when we have bent over backwards over every cry baby story that comes down the pike, when it's finally time after all these freaking decades to show us compassion, is galling, sick, brazen, and ungrateful, and will be punished at the polls.

To say that the Hispanic vote is the fastest growing voting bloc in the nation and must be pandered to, is the exact reason we want them out of here. The numbers here are already totally unacceptable, given the 2% total of hispanic voters nationwide, legal and illegal, wonder how many of these invaders we have to endure to get the Republicans numbers up?

24 posted on 11/25/2002 7:28:14 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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Money sent back to Mexico by immigrants — legal and illegal — accounts for a significant portion of Mexico's gross domestic product.

Wake up, wake up America, there are people running through your doors and jumping through your windows, taking everything of value and putting it on trucks, wake up America, please wake up!

25 posted on 11/25/2002 7:45:47 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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What happened to NAFTA?

I think it is time for policy to be made concerning the American Citizen, Not getting someone reelected to office.

26 posted on 11/25/2002 8:11:47 AM PST by Afronaut
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Many rank-and-file Republicans have viewed the administration's use of phrases such as "guest worker program" and "putting people on the path to citizenship" as politically inspired euphemisms for immigrant amnesty.

"I don't necessarily agree with that view," Mr. Owens said. "Here's how I would phrase it: If we move to the program where people have a right to come across the border so long as they have a job, and we then know who they are, they can move across the border to a paying job."

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 Mr. Ehrlich said that when he was in the House last year, "there was a lot of misinformation" about Mr. Bush's amnesty proposal. "I think what we're saying is that once appropriately articulated, that fear factor will not be there," Mr. Ehrlich said....

"Pandering I think is an inappropriate term," Mr. Ehrlich said. "The president believes in his heart we are a nation of immigrants and we have to be fair. We are the land of opportunity.

"So I don't think it's a large risk because even parts of our base who have philosophical differences with this president tend to forgive him on this or any other issue, because they like him so much," Mr. Ehrlich said.

I find it curious that Governor-elect Ehrlich takes the time to disagree with the phrasing or terminology of those of us who've opposed the President's attempt to pass Section 245(i) last Spring, or who look darkly at the recent trial balloons of Amabassador Tony Garza (a long-time Bush insider) in that regard. I find it curious, because Mr. Erlich never address the kernel of the issue: that Section 245(i) and these trial balloons would indisputably legalize certain Illegals.

Ehrlich seems to think the problem is marketing, not Amnesty.

This article is from the Washington Times, which we conservatives have generally found to be trustworthy. Ambassador Garza and Governor-elect Ehrlich can't be dismissed as fringe-types, they are big-time GOP players. Can we view their comments of the past week as anything other than advance work for the next attempt by President Bush to legalize some of the Illegals?

When the President said last Spring that he regretted signing that Homeland Defense bill without the Section 245(i) provision, I took him at his word. I still do.




28 posted on 11/25/2002 8:54:41 AM PST by Sabertooth
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"So I don't think it's a large risk because even parts of our base who have philosophical differences with this president tend to forgive him on this or any other issue, because they like him so much," Mr. Ehrlich said.

I wonder if the president is willing to stake his political fortunes on this supposition.

Many of us view the issue of who we allow in here, and why, as THE most important issue on the table, by far.

31 posted on 11/25/2002 9:26:59 AM PST by skeeter
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>> GOP RINO governors back Bush on illegals <<

Indeed. Hey, G.W., remember THIS guy who ran your Illinois campaign back in 2000? Wanna guess where he is now and what happened to the GOP in his state after his his efforts to "reach out" to illegals?

With "friends" like that, you don't NEED enemies.

37 posted on 11/25/2002 10:00:14 PM PST by BillyBoy
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