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Mexico to campaign to legalize workers
Houston Chronicle ^ | 11/23/02

Posted on 11/23/2002 3:18:16 PM PST by Tancredo Fan

Mexico to campaign to legalize workers

11/23/02

MEXICO CITY -- Mexico's foreign minister, Jorge Castaneda, said his country would begin a "bottom-up campaign" to win U.S. public support for a proposal to legalize 3.5 million undocumented Mexican workers in the United States.

Castaneda said Mexican officials will begin rallying unions, churches, universities and Mexican communities.

"What's important is that American society sees a possible migratory agreement in a positive light," Castaneda said. "We are already giving instructions to our consulates that they begin propagating militant activities -- if you will -- in their communities."


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crime; foreignmeddling; homelandsecurity; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; invasion
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To: Dane
Your answer only addresses what you would do regarding Mexico.

What would you do with all the illegals now here?

81 posted on 11/23/2002 5:05:03 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Dane
I see you have the leftist language down pat: reactionary, right wing extremist.........
82 posted on 11/23/2002 5:06:40 PM PST by sarcasm
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To: speekinout
I don't know where you live, but where I live, without the Hispanics (primarily Mexicans) we wouldn't have anyone to clean houses or office buildings, mow lawns, clean up construction sites, etc. And the farms wouldn't have seasonal workers. Who do you propose for these jobs? Native born Americans won't take them.

Alright, suppose a native born anglo or black wants an entry-level construction job in my area.

First he'll have to make his way into the barrios of East Dallas. Once there he should proceed to the parking lot of the nearest seedy Hispanic beer hall. There will be a crowd of illegal-alien felons milling about, waiting for the white contractor to appear in his pick-up.

Now, if our intrepid job seeker is even allowed into the parking lot, doesn't start a riot by his mere presence and isn't assaulted by one of his potential co-workers, do you really think the white contractor is going to pick him up for a job? He'll probably be arrested for disturbing the peace long before a contractor shows up.

83 posted on 11/23/2002 5:08:03 PM PST by primeval patriot
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To: Dane
Wow, I guess in Tancredo Fan's world, cleaning Tancredo Fan's toilet for a wage is a felony.

You know we dont have to stop at illegal aliens from south of the border coming in against our laws, constitution and will of the people. We could let in alot of people who would work for cheap from china, india, all of the middle east, all of south america, all of africa, most of the world actually. Your logic works for letting them all in. Otherwise you are a hypocrite.

84 posted on 11/23/2002 5:09:18 PM PST by PuNcH
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Your answer only addresses what you would do regarding Mexico.

What would you do with all the illegals(immigrants) now here?

I would let them try to pursue the American dream. You know a solid roof over their head, two cars in the garage, barbecues with neighbors in the back yard, etc. etc..

Of course if your course had been followed I wouldn't be here because of my Mother's "mongrel" heritage.

JMO, but I think you would be happy with that.

85 posted on 11/23/2002 5:12:15 PM PST by Dane
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To: All
http://www.cis.org/articles/1999/back199.HTML - We don't really need the legal immigrants either.
86 posted on 11/23/2002 5:13:58 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak
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To: sarcasm
I see you have the leftist language down pat: reactionary, right wing extremist.........

And you have the Buchanan language of calling anybody who disgarees with you a "leftist" down "pat".

Sorry I couldn't let that obvious pun go without a retort.

87 posted on 11/23/2002 5:15:36 PM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
In your case the label is well earned.
88 posted on 11/23/2002 5:18:37 PM PST by sarcasm
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To: Dane
Of course if your course had been followed I wouldn't be here because of my Mother's "mongrel" heritage.

We're talking about illegal immigration Dane, not legal. Either we're a nation of laws or we aren't.

You don't find even a hint of hypocrisy in your stand of strict enforcement against drug users and doing nothing against illegal aliens?

89 posted on 11/23/2002 5:18:42 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
You don't find even a hint of hypocrisy in your stand of strict enforcement against drug users and doing nothing against illegal aliens?

Uh there is a difference between an immigrant mother cleaning toilets and an immigrant father mowing lawns trying to provide for a family and a leftist limosine "prodigy" who needs a shower and listens to the Greatful Dead screaming "America Sucks" while toking on a bong.

90 posted on 11/23/2002 5:24:24 PM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
"Of course if your course had been followed I wouldn't be here because of my Mother's "mongrel" heritage"

So, to avoid being unfairly called racists, we should not only let all the Mexicans in, but we should send big boats to the four corners of the globe and let everyone in. We could probably move the entire population of Nigeria into the Dakotas, put a large segment of India in Idaho and Oregon.
91 posted on 11/23/2002 5:24:50 PM PST by BiffSchneider
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To: Dane
I would try to recognize that Mexico shares a 2000 mile border with the US and try to demantle the hard leftists in Mexico and that their system for 80 years has failed and to give the free market a try.

Of course that policy would tried to be blocked by those who see all Mexians as "evil" by their birth.

Ahh you must be refering to the Mexican elite. They will just call you a racist American imperialist for interfering with their country and you will end up agreeing with them.

92 posted on 11/23/2002 5:25:19 PM PST by PuNcH
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To: Dane
Uh there is a difference between an immigrant mother cleaning toilets and an immigrant father mowing lawns trying to provide for a family and a leftist limosine "prodigy" who needs a shower and listens to the Greatful Dead screaming "America Sucks" while toking on a bong.

They are connnected in that drug users and illegal immigrants are violating the law. Are you telling me we are to pick and choose which laws we enforce?

93 posted on 11/23/2002 5:26:30 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Dane
Correction:

Uh there is a difference between an immigrant illegal alien mother cleaning toilets and an immigrant illegal alien father mowing lawns.

They're both lawbreakers.

94 posted on 11/23/2002 5:29:24 PM PST by sarcasm
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To: PuNcH
Ahh you must be refering to the Mexican elite. They will just call you a racist American imperialist for interfering with their country and you will end up agreeing with them.

It is time for them(Mexican elite) to go.

Paraphrasing Vice President Cheney's speech to the 2000 Republican Convention.

95 posted on 11/23/2002 5:32:14 PM PST by Dane
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To: rintense
I'm all for a guest worker program, but I don't want my tax dollars to support their illegal activities. If there is a guest worker program, we'd better get a shit load of money from Mexico to support THEIR citizens.

In a guest worker program, we don't pay any money to support their citizens. They come here to work, and if they stop working, for whatever reason, they go back. They don't get Medicaid or even free education for their kids. But that's if we had a sensible guest worker program. We used to have such a program. A pity we don't now.

And there's no way we could make American citizens take the jobs they do. The little welfare reform we've had was hard enough to pass. Making the welfare recipients take menial jobs would be impossible.
Not to mention that many of our welfare recipients are substance abusers or felons - would you want one of them to clean your house or office or care for your lawn?

96 posted on 11/23/2002 5:32:26 PM PST by speekinout
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To: Tancredo Fan; sarcasm; Reaganwuzthebest
You guys actually entertain Dane by responding to him?

You're way too gracious. Most just slap him in the back of the head as they walk by. In real life, they stick his head in the toilet and flush, then hang him up by his underwear.

97 posted on 11/23/2002 5:34:44 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: Tancredo Fan
BUMP
98 posted on 11/23/2002 5:35:48 PM PST by RippleFire
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
They are connnected in that drug users and illegal immigrants are violating the law.

So you see the immigrant mother cleaning toilets to support her family and the limosine liberal "prodigy" smoking dope and smashing Starbucks and McDonalds windows as criminally equal.

Thank you for the clarification. I get your gist, although I do not agree with it.

99 posted on 11/23/2002 5:36:10 PM PST by Dane
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To: snickeroon
I wasn't talking about allowing illegal aliens to do this work. I was talking about having a guest worker program so they could do it legally.

And, no, Americans will NOT do the work. At almost any price. Of course, most of the work comes with no benefits. Who could afford to have someone clean their house once/week or mow the lawn in the summer if they had to pay health insurance?

These are jobs that have a certain value - either there is work at the price it is worth, or there is no work at all.

100 posted on 11/23/2002 5:38:31 PM PST by speekinout
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