Roswell Incident Had Victims, Program Says

AP | 11/22/02

[Davea]

Roswell Incident Had Victims, Program Says

By RICHARD BENKE | The Associated Press 11/22/2002

ALBUQUERQUE - While he told the world that a weather balloon went down in Roswell, an Army general had in his hand a memo telling Pentagon brass of a UFO crash with "victims," according to a new television documentary.

A computer analysis of that memo, held by Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey during a July 1947 press briefing, is the "smoking gun" of the Roswell Incident, researchers say in the documentary being broadcast today on the Sci-Fi Channel.

Using a digital photo scanner to enlarge and enhance words printed on the folded piece of paper Ramey held, and using another computer program to select the most likely words, researcher David Rudiak, who has a Ph.D. in physics from UC Berkeley, found two key phrases: "the victims of the wreck" and "in the 'disc' they will ship."

With the textual study plus University of New Mexico archaeological findings from one of three alleged UFO crash sites, science fiction seeks to close the gap with fact, producers say.

A photograph taken July 8, 1947, in Fort Worth, Texas, by James Bond Johnson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram shows Ramey clutching a communique to Washington, D.C., while he displays a deflated weather balloon just hours after other Army officers in Roswell had reported a UFO crash.

It was one of a series of inconsistent military reports about the incident, which has become part of American mythology.

"Unless national security is at stake, there is absolutely no reason to keep this information from the public," said Thomas Vitale, a Sci-Fi Channel vice president. "Whatever crashed at Roswell, let us know what the truth is."

The Air Force had responded to a 1994 call from the late U.S. Rep. Steve Schiff, R-N.M., by saying it had no information on the Roswell Incident. Schiff, an Air Force reserve judge advocate general's officer, then took his query to the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress.

In 1997, the Air Force acknowledged the weather balloon had been a false cover story, but a new story also was called into question. In a report written by Lt. William McAndrew, the Air Force suggested reports of alien bodies in the wreckage must have originated because of a crash-test program in which mannequins were dropped from balloons. The mannequins did not come close to matching 1947 descriptions of alien bodies, and the crash-test program was not introduced until 1953, Rudiak said.

Sci-Fi, guided by longtime Roswell UFO researchers Tom Carey and Don Schmitt, commissioned William Doleman, an archaeologist with UNM's Maxwell Museum of Anthropology, to excavate the alleged initial crash contact point on the ranch where the late Mack Brazel worked as foreman.

Doleman said he knows little about the Roswell Incident but agreed to excavate the site using purely scientific methods because it is "culturally significant" and because so much of what is circulated about the Roswell crash landing is based on hearsay. What was needed, Doleman said, was physical evidence.

"So this project is a very bold step by people who claim to know what happened and where it happened," Doleman said. "What makes it bold is they were willing to go out there and look for physical evidence."

Details of the excavation are being kept confidential until after today's premiere. But Doleman said he agrees "that obviously something happened in July 1947 in southeastern New Mexico." After his work there, though, he said, "I'm still uncertain" about UFOs and alien beings.

The documentary will introduce some witnesses who have not been heard from publicly before, attesting to the existence of alien bodies in the wreckage of the "flying disc," Carey said by phone from his home in Pennsylvania.

"This is where we loaded the bodies," he quotes one New Mexico witness, Robert Slusher, as saying. Slusher, among those appearing in the documentary, was part of a B-29 crew that he said loaded bodies up through the plane's bomb bay at the Roswell Army Airfield.

Three victims were supposedly recovered from the final crash site, and a team of archaeologists, coincidentally, were in the area doing research on ancient Indians at the time, Carey said. Among them was Curry Holden, an archaeologist from Texas Tech in Lubbock, whom Carey located in 1992.

"Curry Holden said he saw everything - the craft and the bodies," Carey said. Holden died a few months later.

Carey, an investigator for a private corporation, said he started looking into Roswell 12 years ago "as a hobby."

But it became more than that. And now, he said, he and Schmitt are in a race against time, as witnesses become scarcer.

©Santa Fe New Mexican 2002

[Quix]

There are SOME few reports that the Nazi's had a few working antigrav craft by the end of the war--and contact with ET's.

The supersonic plane stuff just doesn't fit the data by a wide margin.

[LurkerNoMore!]

I dunno.....

Who could argue with any 'witness' named James Bond Johnson?

[woofie]

Bill Richardson was on this show introduced as the Governor


...He is not the Governor yet!

[Paradox]

I believe faithful application of Occam's razor is not kind to your conclusions--at least not from my decades of study.

I disagree, but thats ok. Believe me, I would be the most pleased person in the world if "they" were proven to exist. I am still waiting though, and I have a feeling I'll never be thus pleased. I am hoping I'll be wrong

[Quix]

I would think family usage would dictate more between crash vs wreck.

45% of Americans think aliens are monitoring earth.

And evidently more than 3,000,000 Americans have been abducted--by ET's; ET's and Government personnel and/or government personnel in anti-grav craft. Not sorting all that out will be very interesting. Who knows what the disinformation percentage is!

[MHGinTN]

Joe, yours is the best scenario I have thus far read on the Roswell incident! Japanese or the smallish Germans chosen for the jet planes, wearing contained breathing helmets would account for the size noted for the 'aliens'. Standard at that time was a mask for assisted breathing, if memory serves, but a helmet would be more in order for higher g-force flight.

[38special]

We visited the UFO Museum in Roswell on our way to vacation in Ruidoso. The one thing that stands out in my mind was that, for a musuem, there just weren't very many artifacts!

[Joe 6-pack]

Quix,

Note that NOWHERE, have I dismissed, out of hand, the possibility that an alien craft crashed int the NM desert in 1947...Just that there a whole lot of other more likely posibilities that need ot be considered first. Shen one considers the state of classified technologies, the cold-war animosities and the info/disinfo wars that ran concurrent with the cold war, It just seems obvious to me that one would start at the most likely course of action, and winnow waway the possibilities.

Consider this...did NM Indian-Americans develop metalurgical-ceramic technologies that would have explained the, "debris," found by Brazell? Is this in your opinon more or less likely than an alien crash?

[mikegi]

And evidently more than 3,000,000 Americans have been abducted--by ET's; ET's and Government personnel and/or government personnel in anti-grav craft. Not sorting all that out will be very interesting. Who knows what the disinformation percentage is!

Uh, Quix, you do realize that the X-Files was not a documentary? Hello, Quix???

[Quix]

My concern is not whether THEY exist or not. I've finally settled that issue in my own mind.

My question is--what percentage are ET's pure and simple. How many of the pure and simple ET's are in cahoots with satan and the 1/3 fallen angels. What percentage are outright fallen angels. What percentage are ET's pure and simple WHO ARE on God's side. What percentage are angels in submission to God's authority.

At this point, it appears that 95+% of the ET's are involved in a heavy duty deception--perhaps the deception spoken of in The Bible for our era--the GREAT DECEPTION. Their deception as is common for much of satan's tricks--appears to mix a fair amount of truths and half truths with out-right falsehood.

I expect the whole ET and craft phenomenon to be a major part of the rush to a world government headed by the Anti-Christ. I believe they are a significant chunk of the "signs in the heavens" that the Bible speaks of as part of "end times."

The government seems to be hedging it's bets by casting the ET's as wonderful a la Cacoon and as horrid a la TAKEN, Alien etc. Using fear of them to rush us to a world government will probably be very effective--especially if it's along with WWIII a la Iraq, Mexico/China/Russia/Cuba/No Korea & Lybia or some such.

I believe a huge % of the people of our era having their "hearts failing them for fear" as the Bible says will be because of the ET and their technology/multidimensional sorts of stuff which seems to leave many perhaps simple minded people unequipped to face a reality which suddenly seems turned inside out; upside down; front to back etc. literally.

[ozzymandus]

I saw this show. Gumbel was the host, a bunch of UFO nuts dug some holes in the ground, a bunch of people claimed that "something happened", and in the end, zero. I was hoping the "truth" would finally be revealed again, so a few more of the tinfoil hat crowd would get informed. Here's the story: In the pre-spy sattelite days, the Air Force experimented with high altitude spy baloons. Ther were supposed to drift across the USSR, taking spy photos, and be recovered. Most of them disappeared, one came down near Guam (?) and caused a fighter squadron to be scrambled, and got a pilot in a bunch of trouble when he shot the baloon down and it sank. Another one landed at Roswell. It was top secret, hence the cover story, ("flying saucers!"), and hence the blacked-out FIA reports, and end of story. Flame On, Tinfoilers!

[Doctor Stochastic]

And maybe Governor-Elect Richardson will finally explain his comments that the Hum of Taos is due to a secret military project. (Or perhaps he will hire Monica as a junior assistant.)

[Quix]

Try a Gallup poll. A well researched, well designed Gallup poll. I'm pretty sure it was Gallup. I don't think it was Harris. And the 3,000,000 is thought by many to be a conservative figure.

[Doctor Stochastic]

The balloons didn't have to drift across the USSR. They could sample fallout in the jetstream. The secret was that the design of a weapon could be inferred from the fallout.

Somebody in the Air Force information office deserves credit for letting the UFO story dominate so that nobody questioned the real reason for these balloons.

[Quix]

The definitive argument for the flight being extra-terrestrial in origin is yet to be made.

Not for my brother who worked around the ET craft routinely. There's something about routinely seeing them in your daily job for years that takes care of that issue.

[Quix]

What an interesting response to the same show I watched.

Methinks your biases have colored your glasses very darkly as well as stuffing caulking in your ears.

The evidence added to the public record was incremental. But it was significantly more in some respects than many have been aware of.

Of course, if one is unwilling to admit any kind of evidence away from their biases, then no amount or quality of evidence will do.

[FreeLibertarian]

Consider this...did NM Indian-Americans develop metalurgical-ceramic technologies that would have explained the, "debris," found by Brazell?

The answer to your question is definetly no.

[FreeLibertarian]

Does this have anything to do with calculating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

[Paradox]

I was a fan of Bill Cooper in those days, I know he is dead, but he had gotten away from all the ET/UFO stuff towards the end.

I see where you are coming from, including your belief in the Bible Code, so I dont really care to elaborate any further. I suppose time will ultimately tell. Have a good evening sir!

[F16Fighter]

"I question the sanity of those who believe that in the 130+ BILLION(yes, with a B) estimated galaxies(and this an estimate I remember from a couple of years ago), that the Earth is the only planet with life on it."

That is an "E" for "estimated" -- is it not? Wait -- let me "estimate" the number of angels on the head of a pin. Can you be sure we can trust our electron microscopes?

UNTIL you people can drag out ALF for an interview with Art Bell John Stossel, who can seriously believe in "little Green Men"??