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Roswell Incident Had Victims, Program Says
AP | 11/22/02

Posted on 11/22/2002 8:42:49 PM PST by Davea

Roswell Incident Had Victims, Program Says

By RICHARD BENKE | The Associated Press 11/22/2002

ALBUQUERQUE - While he told the world that a weather balloon went down in Roswell, an Army general had in his hand a memo telling Pentagon brass of a UFO crash with "victims," according to a new television documentary.

A computer analysis of that memo, held by Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey during a July 1947 press briefing, is the "smoking gun" of the Roswell Incident, researchers say in the documentary being broadcast today on the Sci-Fi Channel.

Using a digital photo scanner to enlarge and enhance words printed on the folded piece of paper Ramey held, and using another computer program to select the most likely words, researcher David Rudiak, who has a Ph.D. in physics from UC Berkeley, found two key phrases: "the victims of the wreck" and "in the 'disc' they will ship."

With the textual study plus University of New Mexico archaeological findings from one of three alleged UFO crash sites, science fiction seeks to close the gap with fact, producers say.

A photograph taken July 8, 1947, in Fort Worth, Texas, by James Bond Johnson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram shows Ramey clutching a communique to Washington, D.C., while he displays a deflated weather balloon just hours after other Army officers in Roswell had reported a UFO crash.

It was one of a series of inconsistent military reports about the incident, which has become part of American mythology.

"Unless national security is at stake, there is absolutely no reason to keep this information from the public," said Thomas Vitale, a Sci-Fi Channel vice president. "Whatever crashed at Roswell, let us know what the truth is."

The Air Force had responded to a 1994 call from the late U.S. Rep. Steve Schiff, R-N.M., by saying it had no information on the Roswell Incident. Schiff, an Air Force reserve judge advocate general's officer, then took his query to the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress.

In 1997, the Air Force acknowledged the weather balloon had been a false cover story, but a new story also was called into question. In a report written by Lt. William McAndrew, the Air Force suggested reports of alien bodies in the wreckage must have originated because of a crash-test program in which mannequins were dropped from balloons. The mannequins did not come close to matching 1947 descriptions of alien bodies, and the crash-test program was not introduced until 1953, Rudiak said.

Sci-Fi, guided by longtime Roswell UFO researchers Tom Carey and Don Schmitt, commissioned William Doleman, an archaeologist with UNM's Maxwell Museum of Anthropology, to excavate the alleged initial crash contact point on the ranch where the late Mack Brazel worked as foreman.

Doleman said he knows little about the Roswell Incident but agreed to excavate the site using purely scientific methods because it is "culturally significant" and because so much of what is circulated about the Roswell crash landing is based on hearsay. What was needed, Doleman said, was physical evidence.

"So this project is a very bold step by people who claim to know what happened and where it happened," Doleman said. "What makes it bold is they were willing to go out there and look for physical evidence."

Details of the excavation are being kept confidential until after today's premiere. But Doleman said he agrees "that obviously something happened in July 1947 in southeastern New Mexico." After his work there, though, he said, "I'm still uncertain" about UFOs and alien beings.

The documentary will introduce some witnesses who have not been heard from publicly before, attesting to the existence of alien bodies in the wreckage of the "flying disc," Carey said by phone from his home in Pennsylvania.

"This is where we loaded the bodies," he quotes one New Mexico witness, Robert Slusher, as saying. Slusher, among those appearing in the documentary, was part of a B-29 crew that he said loaded bodies up through the plane's bomb bay at the Roswell Army Airfield.

Three victims were supposedly recovered from the final crash site, and a team of archaeologists, coincidentally, were in the area doing research on ancient Indians at the time, Carey said. Among them was Curry Holden, an archaeologist from Texas Tech in Lubbock, whom Carey located in 1992.

"Curry Holden said he saw everything - the craft and the bodies," Carey said. Holden died a few months later.

Carey, an investigator for a private corporation, said he started looking into Roswell 12 years ago "as a hobby."

But it became more than that. And now, he said, he and Schmitt are in a race against time, as witnesses become scarcer.

©Santa Fe New Mexican 2002


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: littlegreenies; roswell
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1 posted on 11/22/2002 8:42:49 PM PST by Davea
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To: Davea
Here's the url

http://www.sfnewmexican.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=6151836&BRD=2144&PAG=461&dept_id=367954&rfi=6

2 posted on 11/22/2002 8:43:56 PM PST by Davea
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To: Davea
Hmmm...
3 posted on 11/22/2002 8:46:24 PM PST by EternalHope
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To: Davea
The "Freedom of Information" documents alone testify to something big happening at Roswell. Why else would they black out page after page after page? Surely a "weather" balloon wouldn't necessitate that kind of secrecy.
4 posted on 11/22/2002 8:54:35 PM PST by brat
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To: EternalHope
I wonder why the Associated Press would run a story about UFO's that appeared on some obscure cable channel? Hmmmm
5 posted on 11/22/2002 8:54:54 PM PST by Davea
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To: Davea
The host of this "program" is Bryant Gumbel. need we say more?
6 posted on 11/22/2002 8:56:18 PM PST by MindBender26
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To: Davea
If you watched Geraldo Rivera open Al Capone's 'vault' then you got as much satisfaction as 'Startling New Evidence' will give you.
An empty trench and sealed paper bags.

Huge disappointment.

7 posted on 11/22/2002 8:59:26 PM PST by Vinnie
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To: brat
What do you think really happened there?
8 posted on 11/22/2002 9:00:41 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Did they look like the aliens in Mel Gibson's "Signs?" (Hee hee.)
9 posted on 11/22/2002 9:03:06 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Davea
MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR KIND POST AND THE URL.

It's nice to see this well done documentary. Nothing much that new has been presented yet on the scifi channel via Direct TV but they are at least providing a measure of confirmation.

I don't think it's any accident that this is coming out with Spielberg's TAKEN movie.
10 posted on 11/22/2002 9:06:21 PM PST by Quix
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To: brat
SHARP OBSERVATION.
11 posted on 11/22/2002 9:08:17 PM PST by Quix
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You people are insane.
12 posted on 11/22/2002 9:10:39 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: Vinnie
Given all the givens, I would NOT expect super startling things to come out in a rush. This has been exceedingly controlled for a very long time for such momentous modern events.

Whether the government's fears about disclosure are valid or not; they are exceedingly unlikely to do it other than slowly, bit by bit and judge the results step by step.

Of course, if God or the ET's decide otherwise beyond the government's control, then the government may feel compelled to play quick catchup.

It should be interesting. This coming out with the movie TAKEN should prove to be at least interesting to those of us who've studied the phenomena for 40+ years. So far, the program seems to be a carefully crafted incremental set of minor to moderate disclosures. Far more than the likes of Gumbel sp? has been party to before. Far less than many of us would hope for.
13 posted on 11/22/2002 9:13:28 PM PST by Quix
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To: Senator Pardek
What's the list of evidence leaving you with this conclusion?
14 posted on 11/22/2002 9:16:38 PM PST by Quix
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To: Quix
You believe a spacecraft from a different star system crashed at Roswell.
15 posted on 11/22/2002 9:18:49 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek
Watch out, the LGMs will get you. :-}
16 posted on 11/22/2002 9:19:26 PM PST by Cicero
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To: Quix
Missed it. Show reruns on the SCI-FI Channel;

Monday, 25 5:00 PM ET
Wednesday, 27 12:00 PM
Wednesday, 27 11:30 PM
Monday, 2 2:00 PM
Saturday, 7 9:00 AM
17 posted on 11/22/2002 9:21:58 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: Senator Pardek
Interesting. You refuse to answer my question but seem to insist I answer yours.
18 posted on 11/22/2002 9:23:26 PM PST by Quix
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To: Senator Pardek
IF as the government tries to insist--out of ONE side of it's multifaceted, duplicitous mouth--that there's nothing of any significance; nothing of any far out nature; nothing of any security issues about the whole subject--then

WHY

is !!!75%!!! of the document merely JUSTIFYING THE HIGHEST CLASSIFICATIONS OF ANY SUBJECT in government files--why is 75% of the document merely justifying the classification BLACKED OUT. 75% BLACKED OUT. WHY? If there's nothing to it as the government line would have us believe! Crazy. What silliness. They really expect us to be idiots and so far, the stooges in the press and the public at large have obliged them. Human nature is so funny.
19 posted on 11/22/2002 9:27:28 PM PST by Quix
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To: Quix
...but seem to insist I answer yours.

I never asked a question.

I merely questioned the sanity of those who believe aliens crashed in New Mexico.

20 posted on 11/22/2002 9:32:14 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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