Roswell Incident Had Victims, Program Says

It would not be outlandish for a man to try and have ammo to cover his butt in case the real truth outed unexpectedly.

That's like arguing that during Slick's famous "I did not have sex..." press conference, he was holding a SS videotape of him recieving oral sex.

For one, I would assume some are better at it than others.

Soooooo, put them all together with all the evidnece and rationale and let the public decide for themselves.

There's probably a dozen reasons he might have done so.

I recall fuzzily that he was ordered into that scene quite unexpectedly and without much prep at all. He could have easily been in the middle of reading that memo.

I don't think so.

Dilldo was calculating, premeditated etc. to the extreme and would not appear in such a situation without a fair amount of prep if he could have at all avoided it. If he couldn't avoid it, he'd have held the memo clearly for the camera or stuffed it in his shorts for needed padding.

Ramey was swept along in a rush by events and others around and over him--as most were in that situation.

BTW, have you read any of the DISCLOSURE excerpts above?

LOL! You do have a way with imagery, Senator!

Excerpts continued from DISCLOSURE by Dr Greer. . . . offered for review and discussion purposes only. The book has a wealth of greater detail and info for those seriously interested in the topic.

TESTIMONY OF Cap[tain Bill Uhouse, USMC ret Oct 2000

Greer's abstract:

"Bill Uhouse served 10 years in the Marine Corps as a fighter pilot, and four years with the Air Force at Wright-Patterson AFB as a civilian doing flight-testing of exotic experimental aircraft. Later, for the next 30 years, he worked for defense contractors as an engineer of antigravity propulsion systems: on flight simulators for exotic aircraft--and on actual flying discs. He testifies that that [sic] the first disc they tested was the re-engineered ET craft that crashed in Kingman, Arizona in 1958. He further testifies that the ET's presented a craft to the US government; this craft was taken to Area 51, which was just being constructed at the time, and the four ET's that accompanied the craft were taken to Los Alamos. Mr Uhouse's specialty was the flight deck and the instruments on the flight deck--he understood the gravitational field and what it took to get people trained to experience antigravity. He actually met several times with an ET that helped the physicists and engineers with the engineering of the craft."
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"I spent 10 years in the Marine Corps, . . . fought in . . . after the latter part of WWII and the Korean War Conflict, I was discharged as a Captain in the Marine Corps."
. . .
"While I was at Wright Patterson, I was approached by an individual who--and I'm not going to mention his name--[wanted] to determine if I wanted to work in an area on new creative devices. Okay? And, that was a flying disc simulator. what they had done: they had selected several of us, and they reassigned me to A-Link Aviation, which was a simulator manufacturer. At that time they were building what they called the C-11B, and F-102 simulator, B-47 simulator, and so forth. They wanted us to get experienced before we actually started work on the flying disc simulator, whihch I spent 30-some years working on."
"I don't think any flying disc simulators went into operation until the early 1960s--around 1962 or 1963. The reason why I am saying this is because the simulator wasn't actually functional until around 1958. The simulator that they used was for the extraterrestrial craft they had, which is a 30-meter one that crashed in Kingman, Arizona, back in 1953 or 1952. That's the first one that they took out to the test flight."
"This ET craft was a controlled craft that the aliens wanted to present to our government--the U.S.A. It landed about 15 miles from what used to be an army airbase, which is now a defunct army base. But that particular craft, there were some problems with: number one - getting it on the flatbed to take it up to Area 51. They couldn't get it across the dam because of the road. It had to be barged across the Colorado River at the time, and then taken up Route 93 out to Area 51, which was just being constructed at the time. There were four aliens aboard that thing, and those aliens went to Los Alamos for testing. They set up Los Alamos with a particular area for those guys, and they put certain people in there with them--people that were astrophysicists and general scientists--to ask them questions. The way the story was told to me was: there was only one alien that would talk to any of these scientists that they put in the lab with them. The rest wouldn't talk to anybody, or even have a conversation with them. You know, first they thought it was all ESP or telepathy, but you know, most of that is kind of a joke to me, because they actually speak--maybe not like we do--but they actually speak and converse. But there was only one who would [at Los Alamos].
"The difference between this disc, and other discs that they had looked at was that this one was a much simpler design."
"The disc simulator didn't have a reactor, [but] we had a space in it that looked like the reactor that wasn't the device we operated the simulator with. We operated it with six large capacitors that were charged with a million volts each, so there were six million volts in those capacitors. They were the largest capacitors ever built. These particular capacitors, they'd last for 30 minutes, so you could get in there and actually work the controls and do what you had to--to get the simulator, the disc to operate."
"So, it wasn't that simple, because we only had 30 minutes. Okay? But, in the simulator you'll notice that there are no seat belts. Right? It was the same thing with the actual craft--no seat belts. You don't need seat belts, because when you fly one of these things upside down, there is no upside down like in a regular air-craft--you just don't feel it. There's a simple explanation for that; you have your own gravitational field right inside the craft, so if you are flying upside down--to you--you are right side up. I mean, it's just really simple, if people would look at it. I was inside the actual alien craft for a start-up..."
"There weren't any windows. The only way we had any visibility at all was done with cameras or video-type divices [See the testimony of Mark McClandlish, SG] My specialty was the flight deck and the instruments on the flight deck. I knew about the gravitational field and what it took to get people trained."
"Because the disc has its own gravitational field, you would be sick or disoriented for about two minutes after getting in, after it was cranked up. It takes a lot of time to become used to it. Because of the area and the smallness of it, just to raise your hand becomes complicated. You have to be trained--trained with your mind, to accept what you are going to actually feel and experience."
. . .
"Each engineer that had anything to do with the design was part of the start-up crew. We would have to verify all the equipment that we put in--be sure it [worked] like it[was] supposed to, etc."
"I'm sure our crews have taken these craft out into space. I'm saying it probably took a while to train enough of the people, over a sufficient time period. The whole problem with the disc is that it is so exacting in its design and so forth. It can't be used like we use aircraft today, with dropping bombs and having machine guns in the wings."
"The design is so exacting, that you can't add anything--it's got to be just right. There's a big problem in the design of where things are put. Say, where the center of the aircraft is, and that type of thing. Even the fact that we raised it three feet so the taller guys could get in--the actual ship was extended back to its original configuration, but it has to be raised."
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Q note: My brother's input matched with some from someone else convinced me we had such craft that could carry people and such that could carry cameras etc. or bombs and go instantaneously to any spot on the globe under computer control. I have never had that verified but I've believed it.
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"We had meetings, and I ended up in a meeting with an alien. I called him J-ROD--of course, that's what they called him. I don't know if that was his real name or not, but that's the name the linguist gave him. I did draw a sketch, before I left, of him in a meeting. I provided it to some people and that was my impression of what I saw."
"The alien used to come in with [Dr. Edward] Teller and some of the other guys, occasionally, to handle questions that maybe we'd have. You know? But you have to understand that everything was specific to the group. If it wasn't specific to the group, you couldn't talk about it. It was on a need-to-know basis. And [the ET] he'd talk. He would talk, but he'd sound just like as if you spoke--he'd sound like you. You know, he's like a parrot, but he'd try and answer your question. A lot of times he'd have a hard time understanding, because if you didn't put it on paper and explain yourself, half the time he couldn't give you a good answer."
. . .
"So basically, the alien was only giving engineering advice and science advice. For example, I performed the calculations but needed more help...I spoke of a book that--well it's not a book; it's a big assembly with various divisions dealing with gravitational technology, and the key elements are in there, but all the information wasn't there. Even our top mathematicians couldn't figure some of this stuff out, so the alien would assist."
"Sometimes you'd get into a spot where you [would] try and try and try, and it wouldn't work. And that's when he'd [the alien] come in. They would tell him to look at this and see what we did wrong."
"Over the last 40 years or so, not counting the simulators--I'm talking about actual craft--there are probably two or three-dozen, and various sizes that we built."
. . .
. . .
"You know, there were certain reasons for the secrecy. I could understand that; it was no different than the first atomic bomb that they built. But they are getting so far ahead now with aircraft design. And, like I told you gentlemen earlier--that by 2003, most of this stuff will be out for everybody to look at. [Q note: I've read that sort of thing before--all the dates have tended to pass without disclosure]. Maybe not the way that everybody excepts it, but in some manner they determine...appropriate to show everybody. You know, a big surprise."
"The reason why I said that is because the document I signed ends in 2003 and I'm not the only one who signed those."
"But, that gravitational manual--if you ever get one of these volumes of documents, you'd be on top of the world. You'd know everything." [Q note: I think that's a bit of hyperbole.].

Greer note: [See the testimony of Mark McCandlish that verifies human-made antigravity craft and also the use of cameras instead of windows for imaging. SG]

I think I'm tired of this sort of typing. Some of the other sources are: "A.H. Boeing Aerospace in Dec 2000"

Greer's abstract:
"A.H.is a person who has gained significant information from inside the UFO extraterrestrial groups within our government, military, and civilian companies . . . "

[I have heard from other deep insiders that this is true )(p. 398)and that the most important extraterrestrial research facility is now totally underground and in Utah accessible only by air. SGreer]

Testimony of British Police Officer Alan Godfry

Testimony of Mr Gordon Creighton Former British Foreign Service Official Sept 2000

Testimony of Sergeant Karl Wolfe, US Air Force Sept 2000

--Donna Hare, Former NASA contractor employee

--Mr John Maynard, ret Defense Intelligence Agency Oct 2000

--Mr Harland Bentley of several government agencies including NASA and DOE . . . engineer

--Dr Robert Wood, McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Engineer

--Dr Alfred Webre, Senior Policy Analyst Yale, U of TEx degrees; . . . Stanford REsearch Institute . . .

--Denise McKenzie, former SAIC employee . . . a large defense contractor . . .

--Paul H Utz talks about his father Paul A Utz who worked at area 51 worked on new energy sources.

--Phillip Corso Jr [Q note: I pretty much had written him off--given so many others corroborating so much of what he's said, I had to reconsider his statements.

--Mr Glen Dennis mortician in Roswell NM in July 1947.

--Buck Sergeant Leonard Pretko USAF about McArthur having seen the craft and bodies from the Roswell crash.

--Dan Willis USN crypto level 14 security clearance.

--Dr Roberto Pinotti about 215 inexplicable UFO events in the Italian Air Force files.

--NEW ENERGY SOLUTIONS AND IMPLICATIONS FOR THE NATIONAL SECURITY AND THE ENVIRONMENT chapter

--Mr Mark McCandlish USAF aerospace illustrator

--Professor Paul Czysz of Aeronautical Engineeering St Louis; WRight-Patterson . . .

--David Hamilton Dept of Energy in the area of new generation power systems.

--Lieutenant Colonel Thomas E Bearden ret, PhD Nuclear Engineering . . . "He also explains how certain powers would rather keep this technology from becoming widely known outside of small esoteric circles."

--Dr Eugene Mallove EdInChief of Infinite Engergy . . . two MIT degrees in Aeronautical=Astronautical Engineering and a Harvard Doctorate in Environmental Health Sciences . . .

--Dr Paul LaViolette BA physics John Hopkins MBA U of Chicago; PhD Portland State U . . . subquantum kinetics . . .

--Mr Fred Threlfall Royal Canadian Air Force . . .

--Dr Ted Loder U of NH his cousin Brigadier General Stephen Lovekin . . .

PING

I insist on being on being pinged when badmouthed - and no, I don't fear space aliens anymore than I fear fairies or gremlins.

So PING already!

If you want to consider that 'bad-mouthing', I'd say you're a little sensative. One thing in particular, I didn't expect you to, nor would I ever go searching for my screen name or go out of my way to find something somebody said about me or about something I said. That to me would be having cyber space 'rabbit ears', at the very least it's spoiling for an argument, wouldn't you think? Probably not.

What I actually meant, which probably didn't come out right at the time, was that my experience with this type of argument is common amongst people with fear of the unknown, ignorance of facts and outright dismissal. (It couldn't possibly be!). Sure, they show their boldness and confidence on the surface, or on a forum like FR.

What I have seen with my own eyes, with my experience at a government installation some years ago and considering the most recent events, there's no doubt in my mind that other forms of life exists right here on earth, and has been here before we were even a spit in Adam and Eve's eyes.

I don't personally care what you fear or think you know.

What a refreshing voice of experience and sanity.

I humbly salute you.

Thanks for a candid and insightful post.

The following is an aside--an insert--regarding a different kind of alien but perhaps as or more dangerous . . .

It has probably been posted elsewhere but I think it bears repeating anywhere it's likely to foster more prayer . . . I'd encourage prayer regarding BOTH types of aliens--when you think of one, remember the other.

Terrorism's Trojan Horse
Jim Bramlett
Nov 22, 2002
Dear friends:
In past messages, I have characterized the terrorist infiltration through our porous borders and scandalous immigration policies -- and their now presence in our country -- as a Trojan Horse. The Trojan Horse, filled with soldiers, was an instrument of war used by the Greeks
to gain access to the city of Troy.

Last night on FOX News, a U.S. congressman (can't remember his name) revealed shocking facts about infiltration through our borders, saying the administration must stop it -- now. Yet, he said he personally spoke with Homeland Security Chief Tom Ridge about it and the reply he got was
that nothing could be done because of "political and cultural reasons."

In other words, we cannot profile and discriminate against Muslim killers and their Mexican smugglers for fear of offending them! (We need the El Al security chief to take over our Homeland Security!) Plus, the congressman got a telephone call from a top White House aid, rebuking him for making such an issue over the subject in opposition to
the President. This is outrageous, especially in light of new information revealed below by nationally syndicated columnist Michelle Malkin.

In many ways, America is like a helpless, stupid giant, bound by political correctness and lack of resolve. And in our stupor, we dare to admonish Israel to be nice to the master terrorist Arafat and his murderous minions, give them land God gave to Israel and paid for in Jewish blood, to be used as a terrorist state to further war against
Israel, but with new statehood advantage.

Paraphrasing Michelle Malkin below -- "Our insanity continues." Quoting Jesus, "Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man" (Luke 21:36, NIV).
Jim
_________________
THE IRAQI INFILTRATION
by Michelle Malkin
How many of Saddam Hussein's sleeper terrorists are waiting dormant in the United States to retaliate against us when the war on Iraq begins? The Bush administration has begun to monitor Iraqis inside our country to identify potential domestic terrorist threats posed by sympathizers
of the Baghdad regime, according to the New York Times.

But while the new intelligence program is tracking thousands of Iraqi citizens and Iraqi-Americans with dual citizenship who are attending our universities or working at private corporations, there is no indication what federal authorities are doing to locate the untold numbers of illegal aliens from Iraq who have streamed across our open borders.

More than 115,000 people from Iraq and other Middle Eastern countries are here illegally. Some 6,000 Middle Eastern men who have defied deportation orders remain on the loose. And an international crime ring, led by Iraqi native George Tajirian, demonstrates the scope of the
alarming problem of potential terrorists pressing at our southern gate.

Tajirian's ring guided aliens from all over the world into the United States — usually across the Rio Grande or through El Paso, Texas, checkpoints — and arranged transportation and lodging for them once inside.

According to federal prosecutors, Tajirian charged up to $15,000 a head — chump change for deep-pocketed terrorist enterprises. During Tajirian's trial, which resulted in a 13-year prison sentence, prosecutors introduced evidence that Tajirian was responsible for smuggling individuals with known ties to subversive or terrorist organizations as well as individuals with known criminal histories.

All told, law enforcement officials believe Tajirian and his Mexican collaborator, Angel Molina,may have smuggled more than 1,000 Middle Eastern aliens across the Southwest frontier. The whereabouts of many of the smugglees remains unknown.

So far, Saddam and his Iraqi henchmen have refrained from direct, conventional terrorist attacks on American soil. But as Central Intelligence Agency Deputy Director John McLaughlin recently noted: "Should Saddam conclude that a U.S.-led attack could no longer be deterred, he probably would become much less constrained in adopting terrorist actions.

Such terrorism might involve conventional means, as with Iraq's unsuccessful attempt at a terrorist offensive in 1991, or [conventional biological weapons]."

And yet, our borders remain wide open to infiltrators who may be toting more than suntan lotion and disposable cameras in their luggage. Among the few smugglers who have been caught in the past year:

In late May 2002, federal agents arrested two Egyptian nationals for allegedly trying to smuggle illegal Middle Eastern immigrants into New Jersey by way of Mexico. For a fee of $8,000, court documents say, the suspected smuggling ring flew customers on tourist visas to Brazil, then sent them to Guatemala, through Mexico, and finally across the Southwest border into America.

Just last month, a D.C. jury convicted Mohammed Hussein Assadi of smuggling Iraqis into the United States through Cali, Colombia, Ecuador, and other locations in South America. Assadi supplied illegal alien Iraqis with stolen and altered European passports and round-trip airline
tickets to the U.S. in exchange for up to $8,000 per person.

These Iraqi smugglees purchased documents at a commercial vendor in Northern Iraq called the "Market of Passports," which they used to travel through Turkey and Ecuador into Colombia. According to a statement from the U.S.attorney's office, Assadi instructed the aliens to destroy the fraudulent passports and tickets while en route to
America and to surrender to U.S. immigration authorities without disclosing their true place of origin.

The scheme relied on smug knowledge of our government's "catch and release" policy for illegal aliens who are freed pending deportation proceedings — a policy that remains in place today.

"There is simply no way to know all those who illegally entered the United States through this defendant's efforts," Assistant U.S. Attorney Laura Ingersoll stated in a memorandum to the court.

Meanwhile, the Immigration and Naturalization Service is busy building light beacons and water stations for illegal aliens from around the world penetrating our country from the south, and the Bush White House is preparing to reward illegal border-crossers from Mexico with "earned legalization."

Our border insanity continues.

Michelle Malkin is a nationally syndicated columnist, FOX News consultant, and the author of "Invasion: How America Still Welcomes Terrorists, Criminals, and Other Foreign Menaces to Our Shores"

Here's one source

There are several independent teams now researching photographs taken by James Bond Johnson in General Ramey's office in 1947. Of particular interest is a message held in General Ramey's hand as he posed in front of debris. These photographs are important because their authenticity has never been questioned by the government.

The government maintains the debris is a RAWIN radar reflector similar to a box kite. The Roswell Photographic Interpretation Team (RPIT) team believes that the material is thicker than kite like panels. Niel Morris and other researchers claim to see evidence of "Hieroglyphic like writing" on the debris.

Blow ups of the photographs are being analyzed and attempts to read the message are meeting with some success. Due to the lighting and the way the message is bent not all the words can be read.

Although there is some controversy between interpretations of particular words the overall meaning implies that a wreck with victims was found. [Q emphasis added] Dr. Donald Burlson's interpretation of the message reads our take on the Ramey memo is in CAPS. We believe that we will be proven correct in time. RECO ... OPERATION AT THE JULY 4TH. THE VICTIMS OF THE WRECK YOU FORWARDED TO THE . AT FORT WORTH TEXAS .. COMPRESSOR ON THE "DISK" MUST THUS SAVE FOR ATOMIC LABORATORY.URGENT. POWERS ARE NEEDED SITE TWO NW ROSWELL, N.MEX. ...SAFE TALK WANTED FOR MEANING OF STORY AND MISSION [OR OBJECTIVE].NEXT CREW OUT TODAY. WEATHER BALLOONS WOULD MAKE [NOTE THE SUBJUNCTIVE CONTEXT IN WHICH THE WORDS "WEATHER BALLOONS" ARE USED]. "R RAMEY" Thanks to Tom Carey and Giuliano Marinkovicc -of Croatia 9a4ag@clarc.org.

at:

http://www.roswell-ufo-incident.com/26.htm

More such to follow.

Another . . . a study using suggestion etc.

from:

http://www.scientificexploration.org/jse/abstracts/v16n1a3.html

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Volume 16: Number 1: Article 3

"A Message in a Bottle:" Confounds in Deciphering the Ramey Memo from the Roswell UFO Case

James Houran, Anomalistic Psychology Research Unit, Dept. of Psychology, Adelaide University & Dept. of Psychiatry, Southern Illinois University School of Medicine, P.O. Box 5201 Springfield, IL 62705

Kevin D. Randle, P.O. Box 1564, Cedar Rapids, IA 52406

Previous analyses of a photograph showing a document held by General Ramey from the Roswell UFO case reportedly revealed content that supported a crashed extraterrestrial craft scenario. Other investigators of this document suggested, however, that it was ambiguous stimuli being interpreted by pro-Roswell investigators in accordance with their expectations. To assess the possible extent of bias in these interpretations, we had three randomly assigned groups of participants attempt to decipher the document under different suggestion conditions: one condition in which we told participants (N = 59) they were looking at a document pertaining to the famous Roswell UFO case, a second condition in which we told participants (N = 58) that they were looking at a document pertaining to secret testing of the atomic bomb, and a final condition in which participants (N = 59) were told nothing about the possible content of the document.

Many participants indeed claimed to be able to read the document, although their subsequent solutions appeared to follow directly from the experimental suggestions. Moreover, the number of words deciphered was related to participants' ages, tolerance of ambiguity, and relative exposure to the UFO field and especially the Roswell case.

However, a few words in the same locations in the document were consistently perceived across the three suggestion conditions and these matched the words identified in previous investigations.

[Q emphasis added] We conclude therefore that future research of Ramey memo might be potentially informative if certain methodological criteria are established. Such protocols are outlined.

Keywords: Roswell - Ramey memo - ambiguous stimuli - suggestion and expectation - UFOs

A LONG summary of 50th anniversary commentary follows from [Q: some increased paragraphing and emphasis by Q]:

http://www.roswell-ufo-incident.com/15.htm

On TV, magazine-style shows such as Hard Copy, Inside Edition and the like devoted numerous segments to the case, while more politically-oriented shows like the "cerebral" Nightline and the more rough and tumble Crossfire did at least one show on the subject.

In-depth treatment of Roswell was provided by cable TV's "educational" channels, The History Channel, The Learning Channel and The Discovery Channel. The major network news shows at ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN also did pieces (regrettably, to be sure, these concentrated more on the sometimes bizarre hoopla surrounding the anniversary activities than on the significance of what all the hoopla was about).

The climax came on the acknowledged 50th anniversary day of July 4, 1997 with all- day, live TV coverage from Roswell itself by the cable network news station MSNBC detailing the events taking place there that day. MSNBC's anchor, John Gibson, presided over a one-sided discussion of the Project Mogul hypothesis, featuring a parade of the usual cast of characters [Col. Richard Weaver and Lt. James McAndrew (authors of the Air Force's conclusion concerning Roswell) , Roswell-debunking author Kal Korff who tried to demonstrate for viewers that it was a Mylar-coated sponge that was found at Roswell, Charles Moore (of Project Mogul fame) whose memory, unlike pro-Roswell witnesses, is never questioned, Col. Joe Kittinger (of "dummies from the sky" infamy) who shamelessly tried to suggest that he was the model for the "red- haired Captain" in Glenn Dennis' story, an so on], as the explanation of the 1947 events.

Several major motion pictures released before and after the Roswell anniversary (The Rock with Sean Connery, Independence Day with Jeff Goldblum, Will Smith and a cast of thousands, Men In Black with Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith again) as well as some recent TV series (Dark Skies, The X-Files, etc.) have all prominently featured or mentioned Roswell in the development of their story-lines. A plethora of new books with Roswell in their titles hit the book stores in time to try to cash in on the "Roswellmania" of 1997: Beyond Roswell, UFO Crash at Roswell, The Roswell File, and with at least one, The Day After Roswell, making it to the New York Times best- seller list.

Case Closed?

Now, a year-and-a-half after those heady days, one may justifiably ask, what has become of Roswell? As the song sung by Peggy Lee laments, "Is that all there is?" No longer on evening news broadcasts, is anything going on, or have things reverted back to where they were prior to the anniversary? That would be a sleepy little desert town proudly proclaiming, "Howdy, from the Middle of Nowhere!", according to one pre- anniversary post card. Hardly. In the town of Roswell, it can be reported that new motels continue to spring up at a brisk pace to handle the anticipated continuous stream of visitors to the International UFO Museum there.

Roswell is now included as a "must-see" stop in most tour packages to New Mexico and west Texas solely because of the alleged 1947 incident. At the UFO Museum itself, besides its own tour office, a growing research library and a regular schedule of lectures, the exhibits continue to be expanded and updated as new information is developed, and plans for a new, multi-million-dollar facility on the edge of town are moving along. Recently, the Museum welcomed its 500,000th visitor. More and more in the minds of the public, the mere mention of the town's name is becoming synonymous with UFOs.

But what of the Roswell Incident itself? Is it over, passe or, less likely, solved? Has the Fat Lady, because of the continued absence of verified "hard evidence", coupled with the passage of so many years, finally sung on this one?

Disappointment

In 1994 and 1995, the U.S. Air Force offered up its first official comments concerning the Roswell Incident since Gen. Roger Ramey held his infamous afternoon press conference on July 8, 1947 during which he "emptied the Roswell saucer" by contriving to "identify" the wreckage retrieved from the J.B. Foster Ranch near Corona, NM by W.W. "Mac" Brazel [which was later described by Maj. Jesse A. Marcel as being, "not from this earth"] as nothing more than the prosaic remnants of a neoprene rubber weather balloon and its attending aluminum-foil, rawin-type, radar target.

This time, the Air Force finally admitted that their original weather balloon story was wrong, that the wreckage was really that of a neoprene rubber weather balloon and an aluminum-foil, rawin-type, radar target [yes, Sports Fans, you read it correctly] used in a then TOP SECRET project (Project Mogul) which was attempting to detect Soviet atomic bomb detonations by means of constant-level, balloon-borne acoustic sensors. While the project was indeed TOP SECRET, the mundane equipment used in it was not and was easily recognizable to military people and civilians alike. In the end, the project was a failure as the first Soviet atomic detonation was detected two years later in August of 1949 by atmospheric chemical analysis - not by acoustics.

In 1997, right before the beginning of the festivities in Roswell (the timing was no accident in our opinion), the Air Force staged a press conference announcing the release of a follow-up report concerning the Roswell Incident which was designed to try to counter the rumors of alien bodies reportedly found at the alleged 1947 crash site [the 1994 and 1995 Air Force reports did not address this issue at all]. They should have left well enough alone. By claiming that stories of alien bodies were probably attributable to high-altitude parachute tests using anthropomorphic mannequins (i.e., "dummies") conducted by the Air Force ten years after the Roswell Incident, the Air Force and their eager supporters lost a lot of credibility in the on- going debate. Reporters present at the press conference were taken aback in amused disbelief upon hearing this latest official "explanation" of Roswell, and the so-called "Dummies from the Sky" hypothesis still evokes howls of derisive laughter from both Roswell proponents and skeptics alike. Unfortunately, the long-anticipated Government Accounting Office's (GAO) report on Roswell, released in 1995, was inconclusive.

Tasked by New Mexico Congressman Stephen Schiff to try to locate a "paper trail" pertaining to the 1947 Roswell events to see if the documents relating to it were properly handled and classified, it was only able to discover and report that all of the documents from the Roswell base encompassing the time-frame of the 1947 incident had been destroyed without apparent authority. With the death of Congressman Schiff in early 1998, the case lost an important public advocate in the halls of Congress, and the momentum gained for official involvement in the case seemed to have waned.

Renewed Energy and Commitment

In the Spring of 1998, the two authors met for the first time in several years and agreed on the need to continue an aggressive, proactive Roswell investigation, especially now, with an increased sense of urgency since witnesses seemed to be "dropping like flies" at what is now becoming an alarming rate. At some point in the not too distant future, there will be no first-hand witnesses left to interview. Even now, we are talking with an increasing number of children and grand children of deceased principals. We also felt that the case, as it currently stands, is still incomplete and probably not entirely correct [and we are not talking here about Project Mogul which had and has absolutely no bearing on the Roswell events of July, 1947].

Believing that there was yet more to learn about those long-ago events, the authors agreed to collaborate and, as a result, made two research trips to New Mexico in 1998, one in May and one in October, for the purpose of "mining" for new witnesses and re- interviewing old witnesses.

Contrary to finding a stale, over-plowed landscape populated with well-worn paths and dry holes, we were assuredly impressed by the number of new leads that we were able to obtain, as well as some surprising new twists in the testimony of "old" witnesses.

Right now, we believe that we are on the verge of a new, or at least a modified, Roswell timeline and in possession of more leads than we can ever hope to follow in our lifetimes, given our present resources. The following is the authors' first collaborative effort and represents our consensus as to where we believe the Roswell investigation will be heading as we approach the new millennium.

The Search for Physical Evidence

No aspect of the Roswell investigation has been more frustrating and less fruitful than the efforts of Roswell investigators to turn-up or, in some cases, try to pry-loose "a piece" of irrefutable hard evidence with "out-of-this-world" properties that can be traced back to the 1947 incident. Time and again, hopes are raised only to be dashed when the alleged possessor of such an item cannot or will not deliver at the moment of truth; or the claimed hard evidence turns out to be a complete fiction (or, to be charitable, a "misunderstanding") when the claim is investigated more closely; or when an artifact actually does get into our hands, it turns out instead to be an exotic piece of jewelry [such an example can now be seen adorning a wall at the UFO Museum in Roswell].

During the Roswell Anniversary Days of 1997, Derrell Sims and Paul Davids held an all too brief news conference to offer up a piece of metal that they claimed came from the Roswell crash via the all too familiar "unnamed source". They claimed that tests had been performed on the artifact in question which suggested an extraterrestrial origin for it and that, additionally, there were other such pieces then being tested "at respected universities" throughout the land which would no doubt also prove to be of extraterrestrial "etiology". Dr. Roger Leir, a member of that team, assures us that ongoing tests have also proved positive.

Unfortunately, in the year-and-a-half since the press conference, Paul Davids has yet to learn the identity of the "unnamed source". Not good.

In 1996, paranormal radio talk show host, Art Bell, came into possession, again from an anonymous source, of small bits and pieces of metal claimed to have come from the Roswell crash. Metallurgical tests were performed, and the bits and pieces of metal, known collectively as "Arts Parts", seemed to be made mostly of aluminum but with a dash of a few other trace metals for good measure. Is that it? Where do things stand now? It's been three years now. More tests? Anybody heard? No follow through. Fade to black.

When Roswell researchers obtain a lead that involves claimed physical evidence, all other leads automatically go to the back of the "queue" until the lead is exhausted (unfortunately, usually as indicated above). However, we are confident that such physical evidence is "out there" somewhere, and one of these days, hopefully, sooner rather than later - more rather than less, our frustrations will be rewarded.

At present, our investigation is in possession of several such leads that we hope will bear fruit: 1. We are presently trying to enlist the cooperation of a first-hand witness who claims to have actually held a piece of something similar to Frankie Rowe's "memory metal" in his hands within the past two years. We have gotten as far as having the witness agree to meet with us personally to try to coordinate with the owners of the artifact to let us examine it. It is quite conceivable that by the time you are reading this we will be meeting with all parties concerned.

2. We know of a retired MP (military policeman) whom we will call "Dutch" who claims to have a piece of the Roswell wreckage stored in his attic for safe keeping and who will supposedly give up the piece to civilian investigators when he dies. But when we talked to him, although in his late 70's, he sounded like he was still in pretty good shape. How long do we sit around and wait and do nothing? [and we are NOT remotely suggesting anything like a Kevorkian intervention here, folks].

3. We have spoken several times to a relative of a well-known Roswell personage who claims to know of parties who have pieces of the Roswell crash material. When pressed further, he identified one of them as none other than himself. When asked for its provenance, he stated that it came, not from the craft, but from "one of the bodies" from the crashed craft and that it is currently being analyzed by degreed professionals in the appropriate forensic fields. He claims that the artifact is not a tissue or fabric sample, but "something else". He plans on going public with this and other Roswell- related "evidence" in his possession in 1999. We shall see.

4. There are several "proactive" steps that we are planning to take to try to secure physical evidence originating from the 1947 Roswell crash. These are in the formative stages at the moment as each requires resources outside the normal resource-range of most Roswell investigators, including us.

The first project involves a full-scale archaeological "dig" at the Foster/Brazel Ranch, site of the so-called "debris field".

Everyone agrees that something came down there in July, 1947 (even the Air Force agrees). The argument, of course, is about just what came down. Archaeological consultants to our investigation have told us that if pieces of whatever came down in Brazel's pasture on that fateful day had lain on the desert floor for even a period as short as one day, there is an excellent chance that rodents of one sort or another [the area is inhabited by prairie dogs and jack rabbits] would have carried pieces of it into their nests. We know that whatever the debris was, there were many, many small pieces of it scattered, according to Jesse Marcel, over an area 3/4 mi. long by several hundred feet wide. We also know that the material had lain on the desert floor for not one but for at least four days, maybe longer, ample time for eclectic rodents to conduct their business. Having been to the Brazel site several times, rodent holes as well as small sink holes indeed are in evidence [see photos]. We are also encouraged to learn from our archaeological consultants that what we seek (whatever it turns out to be) should in all likelihood be waiting for us at a depth of no more than 18 inches in soil that they term, "pack rat midden".

The second project is also located at the debris field site located on the former Foster/ Brazel Ranch. A half-dozen or so first-hand witnesses have reported a long, fresh "gouge" or "skid marks" running for some distance amongst the debris that wasn't there prior to July, 1947 [the thought being that whatever caused the debris also caused the "gouge"]. The "gouge" was reported to have been visible at least for a few years after 1947 by several eye-witnesses, including Bill Brazel, Jr. and Gen. Arthur Exon who flew over the site in 1949. It is not visible today, having been filled-in by deposits laid down by wind erosion, heavy summer rains and livestock traffic over the ensuing years, but we know its former location from living eye-witnesses. We also know from geologists with whom we have spoken that we may be able to obtain a "fingerprint" of the former "gouge", if there ever was such a deformation of the landscape, by using a device known as a "GPR" (Ground Penetrating Radar) which traverses the target area and produces a readout or "fingerprint" of anomalies depending upon the depth of the strata being diagnosed. Results from such a test would amount to either positive or negative physical evidence, corroborating or not corroborating this aspect of the Roswell Incident. The problem, of course, is securing the use of a GPR instrument for our purposes. At present, we have an offer from a national laboratory for the loan of such equipment and have had a meeting with a major university to sponsor and participate in such a project.

The third project resulted from a "town meeting" that we held in Corona, NM in October, 1998 seeking informants and/or information relating to the 1947 incident. One of the items to come out of the meeting was confirmation of a story that we had heard before but could not "pin down", a story of a young fellow who lived in the Corona area at the time named Fred Miller [he was killed in Viet Nam in 1967].

Young Fred, according to friends of his, had somehow obtained a number of pieces of the Roswell debris from one of the crash sites and had shown pieces of it around to a number of locals [confirmed by surviving eye-witnesses]. As told to us, a piece of the "memory metal" that Fred had in his possession had somehow made its way to the senior prom one June night at Corona High School a year or so after the incident [where, according to eyewitnesses, it was passed around for amusement]. Word had it that Fred "stashed" all of his Roswell material, as well as anything else he did not want others to find - including some stolen or contraband items - in his "personal cave". The problem was and still is that there are many, many caves in the Corona area - too many and too dangerous (rattlesnakes like to set up shop in them) to try to examine for our purposes. To cut to the chase, on our most recent trip to New Mexico, we were able to identify "Miller's Cave". Do we have any brave spelunkers out there?

Deathbed Confessions

In courts of law, so-called "deathbed confessions" are accorded special weight and consideration from other testimony because of the belief that when a person knows that he or she is checking out for good, that person will want, in the end, to have consciences cleared and truth to be his or her lasting legacy.

Perhaps the most significant "deathbed confession" to date in the Roswell investigation has been that of the former Provost Marshal at the Roswell Base in 1947, Maj. Edwin Easley. When first interviewed by Roswell investigator, Kevin Randle, all Easley would say was that he couldn't discuss the Roswell Incident, that he was still sworn to secrecy. Over and over, Easley would repeat that same phrase to each question that Randle asked. Sometime thereafter, while on his deathbed, he in fact confirmed to family members his participation in the recovery of an extraterrestrial spacecraft and crew ["Ohhhhhh, the creatures!"].

Just before he passed away in 1994, former Roswell base adjutant in 1947, Maj. Patrick Saunders, wrote on a copy of The Truth About the UFO Crash at Roswell (1994) that he sent to the book's authors, Kevin Randle and Don Schmitt, this cathartic statement, "This is the truth, and I still haven't told anyone".

As participants in the Roswell events of 1947 expire at an increasing rate, it should be expected that we encounter more confessions of the "deathbed" variety as time passes, and such is indeed the case. A woman whose husband was an MP stationed at Roswell in 1947 relayed to us the information that her husband, on his deathbed four years ago, "confessed" to guarding the perimeter - but not picking up the debris - at the Foster/Brazel ranch site, while another woman told us that her husband, during the last year of his life, in 1995, finally told her of his involvement in the events. After seeing a show on TV that featured the Roswell Incident, she at last asked him, "Well, Dear, is it true?" He answered, "Well, I suppose that it's time I should tell you. I've been meaning to for a long time".

He had been a cook with the 509th Bomb Group at Roswell in 1947 and confirmed to her that he was simply grabbed one day and told to report to Building #84 (a hangar) on the base. He was given a gun and told to stand guard at the hangar with other similarly confiscated base personnel. While on guard duty, he stole a look inside the hangar long enough to see debris scattered about and "small bodies" being prepared for shipment elsewhere. Asked if she believed her husband when he told her this, the woman stated without hesitation or reservation, "Absolutely, he was telling truth to me when he knew he didn't have much longer."

In another case, the granddaughter of someone involved in the Roswell events (at this point, we do not know in what capacity he was involved) contacted us to say that her grandfather had just passed away and had left "documents" pertaining to Roswell that would prove something extraordinary had happened there in 1947.

As this is being written, we have been negotiating for several months to receive copies of some of these alleged documents prior to making an expensive trip for a personal interview and to review the originals. Finally, as this is written, we are aware of a former officer who was stationed at Roswell in 1947 who is terminal and knows it. He has told his family that he would like to make a statement concerning Roswell but at a time of his own choosing. We have been in touch with the family who has assured us that they will let us know when it is time.

Reluctant Witnesses

To qualify as a "reluctant witness", one must be believed to possess information about the Roswell events, either by being involved directly, tangentially, or by being a relative of someone who was, or by other means, and refuse to discuss it at all (e.g., by citing a security oath, or by giving what is believed to be false and misleading statements). By far, the most famous (or infamous) of the "reluctant witnesses" still out there - at least according to Roswell proponents - is the former base Counter Intelligence Officer, Sheridan Cavitt, who accompanied the 509th's Intelligence Officer, Jesse Marcel, to the Foster/Brazel ranch to observe and retrieve material that Marcel would later describe as having an extraterrestrial origin.

In 1994, Cavitt confirmed his involvement in the Roswell Incident for the first time to the Air Force's Col. Richard Weaver at the same time he was still denying his involvement to civilian Roswell investigators. Cavitt told Weaver that what he saw on the Foster Ranch that day in 1947 were the immediately recognizable remnants of a weather balloon and radar target which they retrieved in short order. Cavitt's account, therefore, is in conflict with those of other credible eye-witnesses to the same events as well as with his own prior statements of non-involvement.

The aforementioned Edwin Easley originally qualified as a "reluctant witness" but then ceased to be so described when he gave up his defense of, "I can't talk about it.", and finally "came-clean". We currently have a number of such witnesses still out there who refuse to talk, but for whom we can only hope that they will someday relent and tell us what they know.

Such a witness is a former member of the 1395th Military Police Squadron stationed at Roswell in 1947. When located living in Pennsylvania near one of the co-authors, he confirmed that, yes, he was stationed at Roswell in 1947 and, yes, he was indeed involved in recovery activities there ["You mean that thing that crashed into the side of a hill? Yes, I was involved, but that's all I'm going to tell you."]. When asked why, he replied, "I'm retired military, and I like things the way they are." End of conversation.

Another fellow's name was passed along to us as a first-hand witness still living in Roswell. According to our intermediary, he drove a truck on the base in '47 when he drove right into the recovery activities at the hangar (Bldg. #84). After seeing the debris and the bodies, he was grabbed, stood spread-eagle against the wall and threatened with his life. When questioned in person, all he will tell us today is that he does not want to talk about it. Asked if he would ever consider talking about it, he replied that he wasn't sure, but that he was sure that he wasn't ready to talk about it now. Wonderful.

Still another fellow, a former MP stationed at Roswell in '47 (confirmed by the base yearbook), gave us a preliminary statement one evening after a lecture about being shown one of the recovered bodies. Later, when contacted by telephone for a follow-up interview, he denied being the person we were seeking (because of his peculiar voice inflections, we knew we had the right person). Nice.

There is yet another witness, still living at the relatively young age of 58 years-old, whose identity is known to all Roswell investigators.

He saw everything and could solve this case for everyone tomorrow [and put all of us out of our misery in the bargain]. The problem is: we know who he is and where he is, but no one has interviewed him as yet. Not for lack of trying, however. He has the knack of being able to "disappear" every time an investigator gets near, so far with a 100% success rate. How long can his luck continue? We keep trying and hoping and are open to suggestions.

Finally, we received an E-Mail from a gentleman who claimed that his wife is friends with a woman whom she met when both worked at Walker AFB (formerly Roswell Army Air Field) in Roswell in 1960. According to the gentleman, his wife said that the woman told her that she had been a nurse stationed at Roswell AAF in 1947 and was there "when the little bodies were brought in to the base hospital". In a follow-up phone call to the gentleman and his wife, the wife made it clear to us that her friend, who is still living, will deny everything if ever confronted with this information. As things now stand, we only know the alleged nurse's first name and the name of the town in which she resides: Frustration City.

New Witnesses, Old Witnesses and a New Crash Scenario

In addition to locating new witnesses to the Roswell events of 1947 [about 20 in number and still counting], our investigation has made a special effort to keep in touch with "old" witnesses, such as Bill Brazel, Jr., Walter Haut, Glenn Dennis, Frank Kaufmann, Frank Joyce, Frankie Rowe and Jack Rodden, people who have already gone on record with their stories. By revisiting their testimony with them when we are in Roswell, we have been able to glean new bits of information from them concerning those long ago events which, when combined with the new information that we are developing from the "new" witnesses, is causing us to reconsider some prior conclusions as to what occurred, where it occurred and when it occurred. Without giving the store away here, a future article will suggest a new Roswell crash sequence while answering the nagging question as to why the military kept "Mac" Brazel in "custody" for so long.

The Smoking Gun?

Mention must be made here of a recent development in the case which is not a result of our own investigation [although we are now participating - but more about that at another time]. It concerns several photographs taken of General Roger Maxwell Ramey in his Ft. Worth office on the afternoon of July 8, 1947 at his hastily-convened press conference during which he announced to the world that what was recovered on the J.B. Foster Ranch the day before by the Roswell AAF's Intelligence Officer was "really" a misidentified weather balloon and an aluminum-foil radar target [see discussion above under "Disappointment"].

It has been known by Roswell investigators for years that, in all of the Ramey photographs that were taken that day, he is shown in each as kneeling on one knee beside the remains of a decaying weather balloon and a ripped-up [but an otherwise pristine, off-the-shelf] radar target strewn about the floor of his office. In each photo, Gen. Ramey is shown holding what appears to be a teletype message in his left hand as if it had just been given to him prior to the start of his press conference.

In all but one of the Ramey photos (did he realize his mistake?), the hand-held teletype appears to be blank, but in the one photo (the first one taken?) it is obvious that, although somewhat crumpled in his hand, the memo appears to contain writing. Under low magnification, it can be seen that individual sentences are distinguishable from one another on the memo, but their constituent letters or words cannot be made out [it is interesting to point out that we had already attempted to interpret the text of the Ramey memo in 1990 when we requested Richard Haines to computer-analyze the photograph; but back then, Dr. Haines was only able to identify a few individual letters].

Today, combining extreme magnification with the latest computer-enhanced analytical techniques, several teams of photographic analysts remarkably claim to have been able to "decipher" parts of sentences [i.e., actual words] on the exposed portion of the Ramey teletype. While the teams are not in total agreement at this time as to what the entire memo says [e.g., one team claims to see the word "Magdalena", while someone else reads it as "Roswell"], a single, glaring phrase is clear to all who have had an opportunity to view an enhanced picture of the memo, and in our opinion constitutes a "smoking gun". There is no dispute whatsoever that the phrase, ". . . victims [emphasis ours] of the wreck . . . forwarded to Ft. Worth, Tex.", can be seen on the Ramey memo and, to us, indicates that a weather balloon - Project Mogul or otherwise - was NOT what crashed and was recovered at Roswell in July of 1947.

The memo, in our opinion, appears to have originated with Gen. Ramey and probably went to either Col. William Blanchard, commander of the 509th Bomb Group based at Roswell which was under Ramey's direct command or to higher authorities in Washington, D.C. The apparent "Ft. Worth connection" is also especially interesting to us now since a new source to our investigation had been leading us in that direction before news of the Ramey memo analyses surfaced.

What is needed now is for at least two independent investigations with no affiliations to Roswell, Roswell witnesses or the various Roswell investigations to conduct their own objective and impartial analyses of the Ramey photo/memo and to publicly present their findings, whatever they may be. Interestingly, the usual cast of Roswell debunking characters, including the U.S. Air Force [all of whom accept the Project Mogul balloon "explanation" for Roswell], has, to date, been strangely silent concerning the Ramey memo. Who "in the know" back in 1947 could have ever imagined that Roger Ramey, "point-man" for the Roswell coverup, might one day a half-century later have unwittingly provided us with the key to unlock the door to the ultimate secret? Oh, irony of ironies. Go figure.

ANOTHER SUMMARY OF MEMO RESEARCH EFFORTS from:

http://www.rense.com/general5/ramey.htm

New Roswell Evidence Deciphered In Gen. Ramey's Memo

From George A. Filer Majorstar@aol.com

Director - Mutual UFO Network Eastern

MUFON Skywatch Investigations

Filer's Files #43 10-31-00

Several groups of researchers are working to read the

Roswell message. Researcher Tom Carey provides the following data, "The Roswell research team of Tom Carey and Don Schmitt continues to break new ground in their attempt to "decipher" the so-called "Ramey Memo." In one of the July 8, 1947, photographs taken by Fort Worth Star Telegram reporter/photographer, J. Bond Johnson, Gen. Roger M. Ramey can be seen holding a piece of paper with writing on it as he kneels by some obvious weather balloon debris on the floor of his office. Several teams of researchers, including Carey and Schmitt, have attempted, by means of computer software programs, to "read" what is contained in what has become known as the "Ramey Memo."

In July, with the support of the International UFO Museum and Research Center in ROSWELL, Carey and Schmitt made arrangements to have the original negative scanned by sophisticated techniques at the University of Texas [Arlington] Archives where it is kept. This was a one-time-only operation as permitted by the University of Texas. The result is, in essence, a new negative of the original picture and not merely a photo of it. This includes a number of non-UFO-related entities as well as several well-respected Roswell-focused investigators who have attempted to "read" the memo before. One of these, respected Roswell researcher David Rudiak has forwarded his results to me, and they are gratifying to say the least. David advises me that the new scan helped to "clear up" some of the problem areas that he had previously been having trouble with.

Neil Morris from the University of Manchester in England with the Roswell Photo Research Team plus Don Burleson have also provided their interpretations of the message. Neil states, "In this comparison I have used my standard convention in my 'take' of the message. 1) Capitals denote firm interpretation. 2) Lower space are educated guesses. (they fit for spelling and syntax but may be incorrect) 3) "*" denote unknown letter, 4) My line format, is to the best I can conclude, correct to the grid layout of the typed text in the Ramey Message. (M) - Neil Morris current "take". April 2000 (B) -- Don Burleson's interpretation MUFON Journal March 2000. - (R) - David Rudiak September 2000. This is a work in progress by dedicated researchers. Tom Carey provides some comments after each sentence:

Line 1. ???XXXX-XXX--X-XXXXXXXX XXX--XX- XXX XXXX XXX--XX-X XX XXX (M) reco VERY Was ROSWELl Head oIc giveN AS THE (B) ECO---- OPERATION WITH ROSWELL DISK 074 MJ--- AT THE (R) NEAR OPERATION AT THE [This probably refers to the one of the recovery operations. Remember, we believe that there were at least two, possibly, three sites associated with whatever crashed at Roswell in 1947 - Tom]

Line 2.????XXX XXX XXX XXXXXXX XX XXX XXXXX XXX XXXXXXXXX XX XXX (M) [n]ext 4hS EXp VIctIMS of THE WRecK and CONVAy ON TO THE
(B) - THE VICTIMS OF THE WRECK YOU FORWARDED TO THE
(R) RAN)CH AND THE VICTIMS OF THE WRECK YOU FORWARDED TO THE [This probably refers to the Foster Ranch or possibly another ranch as well as to the "victims" associated with the crash. We believe that there were one, possibly two, "victim" sites. And we know that they went to Ft. Worth prior to heading east. - Tom]

Line 3. ???XXX XX XXXX XXXXXX XXX.
(M) *** at FORT WORTH. Txe.
(B) TEAM AT FORT WORTH. TXE.
(R) T)EAM AT FORT WORTH, TEX.

Line 4. ??XXXXXX XX XXX XXXXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX XXX XX-XXX XXXX-XX-
(M) w**S** SOrTei *e**** thAT- ONUS raaF T&E A3**9* Landparty
(B) -- SS-- ON THE "DISK" MUST- HAVE SENT -0- A-AM-- A-------D
(R) THE "DISC" THEY will ship FOR A3-AS2 ARrived(.)
[Something in the disk - corpses? - was going to be shipped to Gen. Ramey who is identified as "A1". Again, we know this in fact happened. - Tom]

Line 5. ?XXXX-XX XX-XXXX XXXXXX XX XXXXXX XXXXXXX XX XXXXXXXX XXX---
(M) SOught CRASHes *O**** are needed sITEone ** **s***** locate
(B) ----- URGENT. POWERS ARE NEEDED SITETWO AT CARLSBAD, NMEX--
(R) BY B29-ST OR C47. WRIGHT AF ASSIST FLIGHTS AT ROSWELL. ASSURE
[Following on the previous line, we know that a set of bodies was shipped to Ft. Worth the following day - July 9th, 1947 - by B-29 special transport ("ST"). We also know that flights from Wright Patterson to and from Roswell did in fact take place - Tom]

6. ??XX-X-XXXXXX XXXX XXXX XXXXXXXX XXXXXXX XX XXXXX XXX XXXX-
(M) MIDDAY 509# TOLD newspaPeR segment of STORY Adv *****
(B) ------SAFE TALK NEWSPAPER MEANING OF STORY AND -----
(R) THAT CIC-TEAM SAID THIS MISTAKEN MEANING OF STORY AND THINK [By this, it appears that the original press release of July 8th, 1947 stating that the RAAF had recovered a flying disk was a local mistake perpetrated by the CIC Team at Roswell, i.e., Sheridan Cavitt., rather than being orchestrated from Washington - Tom]

Line 7. ?-XXXXXXX XXXX XXXX XXX XX-XX XXXXXXX XXXXXXXX XXXXX XXXX
(M) LLY THrY EVEN PUT for AF WEATATN BALLOONS raDar WERE
(B) ONLY SHOW ---- ---- BY WEATHER BALLOONS 400-KW WAVE
(R) LATE TODAY NEXT SENT OUT PR OF WEATHER BALLOONS WOULD WORK
[This line talks about sending out the weather balloon press release ("PR"), and that is would work better - see next line - Tom]

Line 8. ??-XXXX-X XXXX XXX XXXX XXXXXXXXX XXXXX.
(M) And Land L*** denver ofww3
(B) -- 9 AND LAND L--- DENVER CREWS.
(R) BETTER IF THEY ADD LAND DEMO RAWIN CREWS.
[if weather balloon demonstrations using Rawin targets were conducted. These in fact did take place as we can see in the July 10th Alamogordo News and the July 11th Fort Worth Star Telegram. - Tom]

Line 9. XXXXX-
(M) ******
(B) TEMPLE
(R) RAMEY

Neil Morris writes, "At the moment, the text seems to me to be more advisory ie a report or summery of the situation and seems to cover these main points.

1) It gives early warning "4hr" of "victims" being transferred to ? "at Fort Worth".

2) It seems to say the "onus" of the search is/was placed on a Technical and Engineering unit and they are requesting further support possibly out at a "site one".

3) It informs that the 509th Bomb Group released some of the information to the media at noon that day,

4) It advises "adv" that ?initially? the theory of the "weather balloon's" radar reflectors as being responsible had been suggested or given. I personally get the impression this is info being given from a third party fully aware of what is going on and to what extent, they seem to have a full overview of the situation. From the way the 509th is referred to I don't think this document originated there, but it does seem to have the feel of a report from "a forward command." Thanks to Neil Morris neil@adm1.ph.man.ac.uk. David Rudiak, and Don Burleson, for their continuing efforts in this area of Roswell research.

Editor's Note: Work continues on the General Ramey message probably written by him to higher headquarters.

OTHER URLS ARE:

http://www.cosmiverse.com/paranormal110101.html

THIS ONE BELOW IS A VERY GOOD CASE OVERVIEW WITH LOTS OF LINKS. I'm too sleepy to bother to post it all and insert all the html codes in it.

http://roswellproof.homestead.com/RoswellSummary4.html

STANTON FRIEDMAN'S SITE:

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/sforder.html

"A NEW WITNESS AND MESSAGE"

http://www.caus.org/miscufo/mu033000.shtml

BLESSINGS,

I suppose this may be info overload. But I hope not.

This post above is to my mind an excellent treatment of the Ramey memo. There are some other posts before that one about the Ramey memo.

If and when anyone gets time or has interest, I'd enjoy a clue as to whether all the typing is worth it. It's worth it to me IF it's worth reading and pondering by even a few other folk.

Blessings,

"If and when anyone gets time or has interest, I'd enjoy a clue as to whether all the typing is worth it. It's worth it to me IF it's worth reading and pondering by even a few other folk."

I personally have enjoyed this thread alot. Even though I am somewhat skeptical as to whether intelligent life from elsewhere is actually visiting Earth, I find the subject just extremely fascinating and even somewhat scary.

Thank you for the posting and typing.

U R MORE THAN WELCOME.

IF you want on the UFO etc. ping list, please let me know.

Blessings,

And IF you're really interested . . .

Watch the skies! . . . with at least a throw away camera nearby.

Get angry instantly if you sense an abduction and tell them from your belly NO! WAY HOSEA! And IF you're an authentic Believer--IN JESUS' NAME!