Posted on 11/21/2002 11:50:10 AM PST by Ready2go
CIA Releases New 'Noah's Ark' Documents Posted Nov. 13, 2002 By Timothy W. Maier
Is it the Ark, or just a piece of rock?
Two years after Insight filed an appeal charging that the CIA withheld documents and imagery concerning the Mount Ararat anomaly in Turkey, the CIA has released two new documents to Insight that indicate the search for "Noah's Ark" reached the level of the White House under former president George H.W. Bush.
The appeal, filed one month after Insight's exclusive story (see "Anomaly or Noah's Ark?"; Nov. 20, 2000), comes on the heels of the CIA's releasing thousands of satellite images, which soon will be available at National Imagery and Mapping Agency Website. It is unclear whether images of Mount Ararat will be included. Insight's exclusive story marked the first time the public was able to see high-resolution photographs of the anomaly, located at 39 degrees 42 minutes north latitude and 44 degrees 16 minutes east longitude. Insight contracted with Space Imaging to maneuver its IKONOS satellite to zoom in on the anomaly. Afterwards, Insight hired a team of scientists and engineers to examine the pictures and to deterimine whether the object in question was man-made or rock. Four of the experts claim it's man-made, two believe it's rock and one says the evidence is inconclusive.
Unfortunately, the release of the additional records does not offer any more proof of what the object might be, but only raises more questions as to why the CIA continues to hold such records as classified.
One of the records released is a 1995 memo from an agent who had a coversation with John Hanford, then a member of Sen. Richard Lugar's (R-Ind.) staff. Hanford apparently recalled a White House meeting under the George H.W. Bush administration in which Robert Gates, then National Security director, showed one of the old images of the Mount Ararat area to various people at the meeting. "Mr. Hanford said that imagery showed something sticking out from the ice and snow — but that it could have been almost anything."
The memo was triggered by a newspaper article that suggested Mount Ararat imagery might be made public under former president Bill Clinton's decision to release historical documents. The CIA agent says in the memo that such imagery "might or might not be included in the declassified materials."
The other record concerned a review the George H.W. Bush administration conducted between 1990 and 1992 concerning Mount Ararat. The record was in response to former CIA director James Woolsey's requesting what it might cost to undertake a more exhaustive review of all the material. At the time, the price was considered too high to do such a search. Woolsey was told it would take an analyst six months to complete such a study. It appears that study never was completed.
Insight still may receive additional records. The CIA has asked other agencies to review specific records for possible release in the near future. In the meantime, Insight is reviewing its options on whether to pursue in federal court images taken by the CIA with its KH-9 remote-sensing satellite in 1973 and its KH-11 satellite in 1976, 1990 and 1992.
Timothy Maier is a writer for Insight. email the author
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Regarding Asian and African Elephants: ...time line of evelotuion of elephants. The divergeance was much greater than the timeframe given in the Bible.As usual the so-called time line is merely speculative. It's based on circular reasoning. If elephants evolved millions of years ago, then it's reasonable to assume that the different species evolved 100,000s of years ago. That's not evidence.
Regarding nosrtils: I have not examined how many of the species have nostrils but would think that almost all mentioned have some form of consuming oxygen, maybe not a nose but "nostril" of some form. Of course, all animals (and plants) consume oxygen. If that's your definition of breath, then fish, amoeba, mushrooms, etc. breathe. But if breathing means inhaling/exhaling,then insects do not breathe. They take in oxygen by diffusion. As do all invertebrates, plants, fish and some amphibians.
I almost get from your comments and criticism of my posts that you agree that the animals listed would not fit on the ark along with provisions. You try to lessen the number by saying x or y, only your theories. I am not trying to lessen the number. (Actually the Bible says that Noah took seven of many kinds of animals, so there, I just made it bigger.) It's just that many critics of the bible make it a bigger task than it needs to be.
I asked some simple questions that I can not answer. You attack me and the question instead of trying to answer. Again, sorry about the attack. But I did not take your comments as questions. They seemed like uninformed statements that I disagree with.
LOL! Now that's the way to do it!
The following quote is from the link you just posted:
It would be wrong to infer from this list that all creationists have suspicious credentials. In fact, a good number of prominent creationists have legitimate -- even noteworthy -- doctoral degrees in scientific fields. For example, Duane Gish earned a doctorate in biochemistry from Berkeley, Steve Austin earned a doctorate in geology from Pennsylvania State University, and Kurt Wise earned his doctorate in paleontology from Harvard while studying under Stephen Jay Gould. So just because a few well-known creationists failed to earn their graduate degrees the traditional way does not mean that all or even most of them did.
And you have the nerve to say: "Most of these so called creation "scientists" are frauds who don't even have real degrees. The "degrees" that they do have are from diploma mills where anyone can buy a "degree" for around $100.
It sounds like you are the fraud and the liar, newbie.
Ad hominum rules in the religion of evolution. You must be a priest. Does "hubris" mean anything to you? I feel sorry for you, and hope that one day you will wake up and that your eyes would be opened. It would be a terrible thing to wait until you have to bend your knee in front of our Lord Jesus Christ. Because then it is too late.
Here is a rebuttle to your's that uses the same level of intellect as yours - see if you think it is credible:
Consider the follwoing:
1. Approximately 99 percent of christians accept the theory of creation. They don't "believe" in it or have "faith" in it, they support it because of all the evidence in its favor and God's Word confirms its truth.
2. Most of these so called evolution "scientists" are frauds who don't even have real degrees. The "degrees" that they do have are from diploma mills where anyone can buy a "degree" for around $100. Prominent evolution "science" includes well known frauds like faked pictures of spotted moths, well known frauds including fake pictures of embryo's touched up to appear to support evolution and many other well known and documented lies. Evolution is not supported in legitimate scientific institutions.
3. Outside of the fundamentalist evolution community, there really is NO controversy about creation or the age of the earth and universe.
4. Evolution is a myth. It never really happened. Even Darwin refuted it before he died.
Yeah it is. but many people would say that the strife in the middle east is a result of what the Jews "believe" to be THEIR homeland. Rather than land that has changed hands many times over the years.
While I treasure Israel as a trusted ally of America, I have a hard time defending their claim to Israel. It's too bad Israel didn't kick the crap out of the Palistinians 200 years ago...No one would be complaining today.
Care to explain your point of view?
I had a Christian friend (Some kind of hardcore Chrstianity where EVERYTHING in the bible was LITERALLY true) that said the dinousaurs were just big animals. Since people lived for hundreds of years back then (I guess the bible says this somewhere), so did the animals...So they grew bigger. Of course, I never asked him what happen to all these giant people...
He also had an intersting theory about the moon...He said because of the rate of dust falling on the moon suposedly being X over the years, we had prepared for about 3 foot of dust being on the surface...But when we got there, there was only inches...This was because the world really WAS only about 7000 years old.
He also explains carbon dating and other such "Proof" of a VERY old earth as being God's way of giving us stuff to think about.
Great guy...But I just can't buy all that stuff. Again, that's why they call it "Faith", I guess.
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