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Next GOP salvo: Late-term abortion
New York Daily News ^ | 11/20/02 | Zev Chafets

Posted on 11/20/2002 1:41:04 AM PST by kattracks

'I will call it up, we will pass it and the President will sign it."

"I" was Trent Lott, the once and future Republican Senate majority leader, in a radio interview the day after the midterm election.

"We" meant Congress.

And "it" is the giant trap the GOP is setting for the Democrats in 2004: partial-birth abortion.

A House bill that passed in the last session, and is the model for Lott's new proposal, defines partial-birth abortion as delivering a fetus "for the purpose of performing an overt act that the person knows will kill the partially delivered living fetus."

This grim procedure usually is performed after the fifth month of pregnancy, which is why it is often called late-term abortion. By either name, the public hates it.

A Gallup Poll conducted in March 2000 (the last time the agency asked the question) found 69% of Americans opposed to abortion in the second trimester - and 86% against the operation in the third trimester.

Lott is inviting Democrats to stand with the 8% of those polled who support this procedure, which Sen. Daniel Moynihan once called "close to infanticide." The GOP will take the other 86%.

Many Democrats have figured out the math, and they don't intend to support partial-birth abortion. As a result, the ban is expected to coast through both Houses. Senate vote counters are certain it will get at least 65 yeas - more than enough to override a filibuster attempt.

That leaves roughly 35 liberal senators who evidently intend to vote against the ban. Among them is Hillary Clinton, who flatly opposes Lott's initiative and will very likely be a prominent voice against it (Chuck Schumer is still trying to fudge the issue, but he, too, will probably oppose the ban).

This would put New York's senators at odds with many of their constituents. The most recent Quinnipiac Poll on this matter, taken in June 2000, found that 63% of people in the state think partial-birth abortions should be illegal.

Still, liberal Democrats in New York and beyond seem blithely unconcerned. Implausibly, some are counting on the White House to bail them out. "The last thing Bush wants is to start the new Congress with such a divisive debate," one insider assured me. "He knows it would make him look like a tool of the far right."

This is, in a word, delusional. Dismissing the vast majority of the electorate as "far right" is the sort of superior miscalculation that led to the Democrats' midterm debacle. President Bush will not only sign a ban on partial-birth abortions, he will sign it on the White House lawn, in prime time, handing out fountain pens.

Liberal Democrats darkly charge that Lott's initiative is nothing more than another gambit in the Republicans' ongoing assault on Roe vs. Wade - and the liberals are right. "This is a baby step on the road to our ultimate goal," acknowledges Kristin Hansen, spokeswoman for the anti-abortion Family Research Council.

But, in the age of ultrasound, baby steps could turn into giant strides. The national proportion of "pro-choice" voters has dropped in the past seven years from 56% to 47% (the "pro-life" camp has risen from 33% to 46%), and there is no reason to suppose the trend will change soon. An all-or-nothing defense of partial-birth abortions will put the Democrats on the wrong side of these numbers.

Which is exactly where Lott and his fellow Republicans want them as the 2004 elections get underway.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionlist; bush; catholiclist; congress; democrat; infanticide; lott; newjersey; nhs; nj; pba; prolife; senate
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1 posted on 11/20/2002 1:41:04 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
First of all, liberals will mischaracterize this as "choice" the very same way they have mis-stated the issue for every other hideous idea associated with abortion. Surely NARAL, NOW, Planned Parenthood, People for the American Way, etc. will put them up to it if they don't have the backbone to do it themselves. And you can bet Ms. Pelosi and Ms. Clinton will be at the forefront, standard-bearers for liberal womanhood that they are.

Secondly, the Republicans would be smarter to get their judicial nominations passed first and handle any Supreme Court vacancies that materialize before bringing this bill up for a vote in the Senate. This would allow the issue to not be as great a lightning rod for liberal backlash.

Finally, I suspect any bill Congress passes will be struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court as "vague" just as they did with the Nebraska law. The only hope of changing that equation would be with a new justice or two on the bench. The nine we have now have already spoken on the matter and I'm hesitant to believe any will change their minds, no matter how the law is worded.
2 posted on 11/20/2002 2:29:22 AM PST by Tall_Texan
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To: Tall_Texan
Anybody want to lay some odds on what is going to happen with the Supreme Court over the next 2 years.

I think O'Connor and Rehnquist will retire. Possibly Stevens or Ginsburg will to due to health.

I think the Nebraska law did not contain any life of the mother provisions. If that is included, I do not see the Supreme Court striking it down. It could be argued ( and I would agree wholeheartedly) how does a PBA help the health and life of the mother, but I think a PBA like Nebraska with the pertinent objections removed would be a giant 1st step.

If Congress does that and the abortion crowd still shrieks, they'll demontrate they are supporters of infanticide.

3 posted on 11/20/2002 2:53:27 AM PST by Credo
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To: kattracks
This may be America's last chance.
Like the ancient Hebrews, God may be giving us another chance:
"...I have set before you Life, and Death. Choose Life..." (Deut. 30:19).
The Bible-reading Christians in our Government seem to realize this (as Ann Coulter alluded to), and we need to urge them to act on this.
Will we continue to sacrifice our children to the gods, or will we return to the One True God, and choose Life?
4 posted on 11/20/2002 4:32:31 AM PST by Psalm 73
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To: kattracks
THe PBA ban should be saved for deep in the middle of next summer, when few people are paying attention.

The first act of a Republican Congress needs to be Election Reform. Let's level the playing field and give the control of the country back to the people.

5 posted on 11/20/2002 4:34:57 AM PST by copycat
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To: copycat
Why? Most people want it. They should take credit for it.

6 posted on 11/20/2002 4:56:36 AM PST by DB
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To: kattracks
Shrillary Clinton will push her terrorist friends to start World War III before she and her NARAL friends allow ANY slow down to the abortion death machine. Prayer is needed here.
7 posted on 11/20/2002 4:57:59 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: copycat
Please, for ONCE, forget politics here!! If you even care one whit about this issue -- if it's even worth challenging at all -- then for God's sake, DO IT NOW. If you believe that this is intended to rescue the lives of viable babies being killed when but a moment from their first breath of air, then this had better not be used for 2004 political fodder. There is no defensible reason for doing so!
8 posted on 11/20/2002 6:20:02 AM PST by alancarp
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To: Tall_Texan
Ms. Pelosi is a supporter of infanticide. She and Clinton are no better than those Germans who supported the Jews' slaughter during the holocaust. Partial-birth abortion is not close to infanticide - it is infanticide. There is no other way to look at it, unless a person ignores reality altogether.

The fact that we practice it here in the united states means for some things, we are no better than savages.

9 posted on 11/20/2002 6:26:03 AM PST by fogarty
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To: copycat
Do you believe this practice is INFANTICIDE? If you believe that, then there is no time to wait for next summer. If you believe these are HUMAN BEINGS being slaughtered, then it is immoral to recommend 'waiting' for a politically-convenient time.

If, on the other hand, you don't believe these babies are human, then why support a ban on it at all?

There is no middle ground here - except for those who are either inconsistent or apathetic.

10 posted on 11/20/2002 6:28:50 AM PST by fogarty
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To: kattracks

11 posted on 11/20/2002 6:38:53 AM PST by Buffalo Bob
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To: Tall_Texan
the Republicans would be smarter to get their judicial nominations passed first and handle any Supreme Court vacancies that materialize before bringing this bill up for a vote in the Senate. This would allow the issue to not be as great a lightning rod for liberal backlash.

I don't think that's a good idea. Now, as the editorial avers, the overwhelming majority of the population is against PBA and third trimester "abortions" (murders). The Dems are just looking to make anything an issue. Before they start screaming, and editorializing, and mis-informing their members, at least the PBA ban should be in place.

Meanwhile, with the majorities in the legislature, conservative judges will be approved. By the time the bans get to the courts, it will be too late to do anything about it.

The sooner this ban happens, the less of an issue it will be in the next election cycle. It will be old by them, and women will see that personal responsibility is an enabling thing, and the issue won't work.

For those of us who believe that the destruction of the life of a viable pre-born infant is murder, every day this ban waits is more slaughter that could've been stopped.

12 posted on 11/20/2002 6:56:09 AM PST by grania
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To: kattracks
I will believe this when I see it.
13 posted on 11/20/2002 7:08:27 AM PST by nonliberal
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To: grania; Coleus
I agree with you take, Make the rats put their vote on PBA on the record, then how will those who voted for the PBA use abortion against judges forcefully.

As for the Pro Death crowd, thinking it a political loser, bring it on.
14 posted on 11/20/2002 7:14:02 AM PST by Leto
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To: kattracks; dd5339
LIFE ping!
15 posted on 11/20/2002 7:19:08 AM PST by Vic3O3
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To: kattracks
For the Love of God (literally), can someone please do a post 9/11 poll about American's disdain for this cold-blooded murder in our Nation. I find it quite disturbing, there are no polls on this issue since 9/11, and I'm willing to bet the number of Americans opposing this atrocity has grown since.
16 posted on 11/20/2002 7:43:26 AM PST by Prolifeconservative
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To: Tall_Texan
First of all, liberals will mischaracterize this as "choice" the very same way they have mis-stated the issue for every other hideous idea associated with abortion. Surely NARAL, NOW, Planned Parenthood, People for the American Way, etc. will put them up to it if they don't have the backbone to do it themselves.

I do not know about the latter, but I know all of the former organizations (along with the ACLU) most certainly can and will lie about the reality of partial-birth abortion. We know their assertion that it is rare, only when the mother's life is in jeopardy and is performed early are complete fictions handed to a gullible American populace.

As much as I would thoroughly enjoy seeing this legislation brought up once again and passed by Congress, with the promise it would be signed into law once it hits Bush's desk, I also know once it happens it would be immediately challenged in a federal court and an activist judge will keep the law from being enforced.

That is what the unborn of today and the future have to look forward to.

17 posted on 11/20/2002 8:05:10 AM PST by Houmatt
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To: copycat
No, no, and no. The P-BA ban bill should go now. Every minute this waits, more innocent lives are lost.

If you were on the street and saw a man choking to death, would you tell him, "Sir, there's a shirt on sale in the store you standing in front of, I soon as I purchase it I'll be back to help you in any way I can."
18 posted on 11/20/2002 8:16:56 AM PST by Prolifeconservative
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To: Prolifeconservative
The latest abortion polls are here. Last one done on abortion in general was Feb 2002. Last one done on PBA was April 2000.
19 posted on 11/20/2002 8:17:32 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: fogarty
Partial-birth abortion is not close to infanticide - it is infanticide.

Hear, hear Fogarty.

20 posted on 11/20/2002 8:25:30 AM PST by jwalsh07
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