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No Longer An Accident - Downing of TWA Flight 800
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | November 19, 2002 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 11/19/2002 4:41:39 AM PST by canalabamian

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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
"Others who "crossed" the Clinton Crime Family - or threatened to - were not so lucky."

LEST WE FORGET.

141 posted on 11/19/2002 8:35:47 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: azhenfud
Eyewitnesses are used daily as part of our legal system, so to dismiss them all out of hand as worthless is like putting your head in the sand. The key is to judge the credibility and motivations of each by comparing to what others say and the evidence.

If you were to have 100-200 witnesses describing what they saw in detail on the stand, with no motive to lie, a jury would probably only take 5 minutes to render a unanimous verdict that a missile was used -- especially when you compare their credibility to that laughable CIA cartoon using "alien physics."

142 posted on 11/19/2002 8:37:47 AM PST by spycatcher
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To: Steve0113
That would surely have been his political thinking. But why didn't he use it like he used the OKC bombing, and just pretend it was some evil entity called "the militias," egged on by Rush Limbaugh, Christians, and anti-Clinton cowboys in Wyoming? I don't have the answer. There's something strange about the whole case.

And one thing strange about it is that it is confirmed that one of the names on the passenger list was Mohammad Ferrat, from Algeria. Ferrat was a friend of Ron Brown's, and was supposed to be on Brown's ill-fated flight, but scrubbed in the last minute. What an unlucky guy! That is a coincidence that keeps nagging at me, since I don't tend to be a wild-eyed coincidence theorist.

143 posted on 11/19/2002 8:38:28 AM PST by agrandis
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To: azhenfud
Eye-witnesses are often proved inaccurate sources of testimony, not because they are purposefully deceitful, but they often mix fact with hear-say and "remember" more than actually occurred.

I can certainly accept that, but what I found most compelling about these reports was that these eyewitnesses were generally inconsistent in one respect -- they could not agree on the exact origin and trajectory of the "missile" they claimed they saw. What's more interesting is that their recollections of this information were not scattered all over the place but fit into two fairly well-defined origins and trajectories. This is what led many to believe that two different missiles were fired, but it me to believe that it could have involved both a missile and a target drone of some sort.

When such reports of a terrorists strike were rampant, it made sense that the President, no matter how dispicable the excuse of a man, would seek to calm the fears of the general public - unless the evidence changes the focus to catastrophic failure of the AC.

I don't recall a single mention of any kind of nationwide address in any of the other suspicious crashed I mentioned (particularly the crash of EgyptAir Flight 990, in which the official report identifies a suicidal pilot as the cause).

Tort settlements are increasingly huge. That's one reason why the cost of a general aviation aircraft is so unreasonably expensive, many times four to five times the cost of a comparable road vehicle.

That might explain why TWA would go ouot of their way to help the families, but not the government. I also seem to remember that tort settlements in the case of Flight 800 could not be "huge" because they would be limited by a maritime treaty that limits the liability of international carriers.

The number of airline TO's & TD's in NYC is astounding, and with the high level of traffic comes the fact that more high-cycle, high-time airframes converge in one area. These AC are on "quick" turn-around schedules creating stress on personnel and equipment which could lead to neglect and error, thus exposing the flying public to dangerous oversights which could lead to crashes or other serious reportable incidents.

The second part of my point about those mysterious crashes that I forgot to mention was that the very "mysterious" nature of them is what makes them so suspicious. When that ValueJet plane crashed in the Everglades a few years ago, there wasn't a single piece of wreckage recovered that was larger than a dime. And yet they knew the cause of that crash within 48 hours. But a nearly-intact wreckage of Flight 800 was assembled in a hangar on Long Island for months, and the best they could do was come up with a "fuel-tank explosion" that couldn't even be replicated?

This dude ain't buying that crap.

144 posted on 11/19/2002 8:39:47 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Sam Cree
It's true that before 9/11, suicide bombing of planes was not anticipated.

Tell that to the Secret Service agents sent to Ft. Bliss, Texas to train to operate the Stinger missile system after a stolen Cessna was crashed on the South Lawn of the white House in September, 1994.

-archy-/-

145 posted on 11/19/2002 8:45:06 AM PST by archy
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To: harpseal
Perhaps of interest.


146 posted on 11/19/2002 8:51:39 AM PST by Joe Brower
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To: PhiKapMom
The first time I boarded a plane after TWA #800, I laughed bitterly. I laughed because I had absolutely no fear at all--zero, nada, none--of the fuel tank exploding and nobody else looked nervous either. That "explanation" was a pathetic joke. I was bitter because of the victims. The highschool French Club especially got to me because that could have been one of my sons...
147 posted on 11/19/2002 9:00:34 AM PST by Sal
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt; Alberta's Child
The Stinger missile cannot reach to the elevation of the TWA flight track - from what I have read.

It is not the altitude where TWA800 was, but the altitude where it would normally be, that a terrorist would use to select an attack position.

TWA800 would normally have been at or above 19000 feet when it flew past the Hamptons. This is well above the altitude capability of any shoulder fired missile.

Again I suggest people read TWA 800 "It wasn't terrorists. It couldn't have been."

ML/NJ

148 posted on 11/19/2002 9:02:48 AM PST by ml/nj
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bttt
149 posted on 11/19/2002 9:04:38 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: canalabamian
World net daily is unreliable as a news source. The article fails to mention that after twa 800, the faa found faulty wiring as a cause of explosion in the center fuel tank and further that all wiring in all Boeing 747's be replaced and with new wiring modified to prevent such explosions. Words are worthless. So the FAA's words that the wiring was the cause are worthless. The fact that they ordered a large US corporation to spend millions of dollars is not. And the fact that Boeing did not dispute the conclusion is not worthless either.

The only thing that surprises me about this article is that worldnet daily somehow fails to mention how the PRC is involved as they usually like to do a weekly hit piece on the PRC. They could have easily said "terrorist funding for shootdown from PRC" or "PRC provided logistical support for shootdown" or "PRC did (fill in the blank) to aid terrorists in shootdown".

150 posted on 11/19/2002 9:09:43 AM PST by staytrue
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To: agrandis
Was that the guy who cancelled out of the Ron Brown flight at the last minute?
151 posted on 11/19/2002 9:10:42 AM PST by Sal
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To: Sal
That's the one. Amazing coincidence, to me!
152 posted on 11/19/2002 9:12:12 AM PST by agrandis
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To: onedoug
fyi ping
153 posted on 11/19/2002 9:14:47 AM PST by windcliff
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To: canalabamian
There were several statements of a "projectile" rising from the ground and striking the plane. Military personnel spoke of it. Citizens spoke of it. And the CHIEF ENGINEER I worked with at Boeing who was actually sent to INVESTIGATE the plan on behalf of the company verified that something STRUCK the fuselage, entered the plane, and exploded outward.

This is the truth. These are the facts. I'm sick of reading constant speculation that goes in the wrong direction. From my perspective, this is garbage....unless the terrorists had a missile and were on the ground.

154 posted on 11/19/2002 9:18:26 AM PST by YoungKentuckyConservative
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To: canalabamian
While I am certainly still open to TWA 800 being terrorism, this article doesn't come close to proving that it is "no longer an accident". It strings together a number of interesting possible alignments, but then so does astrology.

This article presents a theory, not proof.
155 posted on 11/19/2002 9:25:37 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Clinton's executive order - issued during the TWA investigation time period - excluded the military from this whistleblower protection...

You are remembering this correctly. It was issued when Navy divers were beginning to bring up pieces that could have shown the entry point of a missile. Only one side of that reconstructed plane was ever shown.

156 posted on 11/19/2002 9:27:34 AM PST by Sal
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To: Eastbound
Excellent link - thank you! Hope newbies (to the CLinton crime spree) find their way over there.
157 posted on 11/19/2002 9:39:04 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Joe Brower
Just more evidence that this was a shootdown but this does potentially give a specific name to whoever fried the missle.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

158 posted on 11/19/2002 9:44:42 AM PST by harpseal
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To: Illbay
OKC, TWA 800, AA 587, SwissAir, LAX, Muhhamad/Malvo...Even the recent oil tanker sinking off of Spain....

All Islamism until demonstrated otherwise.

159 posted on 11/19/2002 9:45:27 AM PST by onedoug
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To: canalabamian
1a. Find the people who did this

1b. Kill them

2a. Find the people who financed this

2b. Strip them of their wealth or bankrupt them

3a. Find the governments that aided and abetteted this act of war

3b. Destroy or depose them

4a. Find the people who covered up this crime

4b. Fire, sue, or jail them

160 posted on 11/19/2002 9:45:32 AM PST by Stefan Stackhouse
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