[wideawake]

The Battle of Tours 732.

The Battle of Lepanto 1571.

The Siege of Vienna 1683.

[CatoRenasci]

Well, obviously, the arabs (proto-Mahometans) had quite a string of victories up to 732, and in the East therafter, including the first Battle of Kosovo and the fall of Constantinople in 1453. And, thereafter, the Turks were successful in the Balkans and South central Europe, conquering Hungary, and culminating in the first Seige of Vienna in 1529.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Spain drove the last of the Moors (old name for moslems) out in 1492.

[jdege]

Omdurman

http://www.omdurman.org

[jdege]

Omdurman

[RLK]

The West has consistently kicked Islam's a$$ since its beginning. Please post examples of this religion's stellar military performance.

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If you knew enough of what you were taling about to make the first statement, you wouldn't need to make the second statement.

Islamic armies did rather well during their time. The Islamic empire disintegrated because of poor administration. The caliphates became independent countries, fractionating military power. What started out as the caliphates of Libya and Morroco and so forth became the independent countries now so named.

Of course now, in a nuclear age, the fielding of massed Islamic armies would be disastrous. What will occur is the type of warfare going on in Indonesia, the Philipines, and India.

[Burdened White Man]

First Crusade: Crusaders triumph over the Seljuk Turks and capture Jerusalem, AD 1099

[billybudd]

The "West" vs. "Muslim soldiers"? You've got to be kidding. Do you really think in those terms? Let me ask you a simple question that perhaps someone so ignorant of history as you could answer: What do the battles of swords and bows from 1000 years ago have to do with the present day terrorism and nuclear weapons? What does the bravery of a soldier 1000 years ago have to do with the technological capability to shoot down rockets with lasers, to detect nuclear or chemical materials, or to send a remote-controlled drone on the other side of the planet?

Let's be serious here. The "West" and "Islam" are categories that only superficially apply to today's situation. Islam today bears almost no resemblance to the Islam of yesterday, anymore than today's "Christendom" does to yesterday's. The conflict we see today is not religious in nature but primarily geopolitical and secondarily ideological. Trying to look to the past for evidence of superiority is useless, especially since the modern West is clearly superior to modern Islam here and now.

[Wisconsin]

We would be speaking Arabic had not Suleiman the Magnificent been succeeded by Suleiman the Sot.

[MattinNJ]

The absolutely best old time Christian Knights vs. Muslims smackdowns took place in Malta. It was considered the greatest siege in history until Stalingrad by most military historians. There is a great book on it who's name and author I forget right now. I'll check in again after I look it up.

[MattinNJ]

O.K I'm back. The book is "The Great Siege: Malta 1565" by Ernle Bradford. It is a phenomenal read. Real blood and guts, hold to the last man, smash the heathen scum book. Check out the reviews on Amazon.com.

Although they weren't Christians and Muslims at the time, the battle at Salamis and Thermopylae saved Western civilization in it's infancy. It was West vs. East and if the HUGELY outnumbered West had lost, no Greek philosophers, no Roman empire, etc...

[Fiddlstix]

BTTT

[Cacique]

Bump for later read.

[uncbob]

The heck with Moses and president of the NRA WE need heaton as EL CYD

[Dallas]

Forget the west for a moment....

On May 14, 1948, the day Israel declared its independence, the armies of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Iraq (supplied by the Soviet Union) invaded Israel with the intent of destroying it. Israel had no weaponery to speak of, and literally used picks/shovels in the beginning. Yet, they kicked the crap out of the Arabs.

On June 5, 1967, the Six Day War broke out between Israel, and Egypt/Syria/Jordan. Within six days, Israeli forces broke through the enemy lines and were in a position to march on Cairo, Damascus and Amman. Only a U.N. sponsored cease­fire stopped the massacre. Israel kept the Sinai Penninsula, and the Golan Heights, PLUS Jerusalem for its spoils.

Since that time, Israel invades Lebanon whenever it wants, and stomps the Syrian Army just for good measure.

[Sparta]

I'm surprised nobody has brought up the Russians or the Indians. Also, feel free to describe other countries and battles that have not been mentioned.

[F-117A]

Bump for later reading!

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