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Apocalypse Now, or Alottanukes Soon
Asia Times ^ | November 15, 2002 | Pepe Escobar

Posted on 11/14/2002 7:48:21 AM PST by newuserOH2002

Edited on 11/14/2002 8:03:24 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

At a time when a tape handed over to the Qatar-based Al-Jazeera television station has received widespread expose for its purported comments by Osama bin Laden in praise of recent terror events around the world, another al-Qaeda message released to the same station has received little coverage.

Al-Jazeera was granted an interview with one Mohammed al-Usuquf, allegedly al-Qaeda's number three. Al-Usuquf is said to be a doctor in physics and to hold a masters degree in international economics. A copy of the interview was sent to the prestigious Arab-language daily Al Quds Al Arabi, edited in London, but it was not printed.

Asia Times Online has obtained a copy of the interview, and reproduces excerpts here, with the caveat that the identity of the man has not yet been confirmed, nor has his membership within al- Qaeda.

Al-Usuquf says that al-Qaeda's Kuwaiti spokesman, Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, and bin Laden himself, suggested that he grant the interview. Bin Laden, he says, is "alive and healthy, along with his commanders Mohammed Atef, Khalid Shaik Mohammed and Mullah Omar".

Al-Usuquf starts by criticizing Washington's disrespect of the Kyoto Protocol on climatic change, the International Criminal Court and the Palestinian cause, as well as the "financial greed" engendering speculative gains over Third World countries. He also criticizes the manner in which America wastes wealth, like US$80 billion a year on gambling. "They [have] lost the notion of spirituality and only live in sin."

For this reason, America must be destroyed, and al-Usuquf insists that "aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines and spy satellites will be worthless in the next war".

Al-Qaeda, according to him, has 5,000 first rank operatives and around 20,000 all over the world. Of all the prisoners in the US, only "20 or 30" are al-Qaeda, and all of them "second-rank". Confirming Asia Times Online information, he swears that there are no first- rank prisoners in Guantanamo in Cuba. Al-Usuquf says, "We have more than 500 first-rank and 800 second-rank [operatives] inside the US." "First rank" are considered ones that have lived in the US for more than 10 years, most of them married with children. "They have an idea about the plans, and they are just waiting for a call." "Second-rank" operatives arrived in the past five years and "have no idea about the plans". They are all willing to die.

Al-Usuquf insists that September 11 "was just the beginning. It was a way to call the world's attention to what's going to happen." He then details a plan to destroy the US by "attacking the heart of what they consider the most important thing in the world: money".

"The American economy is an economy of false appearances," says al-Usuquf. "There's no real economic weight. American GNP is something around $10 trillion, but only 1 percent comes from agriculture, and only 24 percent from industry. So 75 percent of its GNP comes from services, and most of it is financial speculation. For someone who understands economics, and apparently America's Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill does not, or cannot, the US as a whole behaves like an immense dot.com, and dollars are its stocks. The value of stocks from a given company is directly proportional to its profitability. When a company only provides services, but does not produce goods, the value of its stocks depends on its credibility. What I'm saying is if US credibility is affected, its stocks - the US dollar - will fall at tremendous speed, and the whole American economy will collapse."

Al-Usuquf is absolutely positive, "because, in a smaller scale, this is exactly what big financial conglomerates do with Third World countries to collect profits in one month that no Swiss bank would guarantee in four to five years". Al-Usuquf says that al-Qaeda could do the same by "provoking a deficit of $50 to 70 trillion, the equivalent to five to seven years of the GNP of the US". How? By "destroying America's seven largest cities and some other measures". The means? "Atomic bombs." Al-Usuquf's most startling revelation is that the bombs "won't be launched, they are already there". "Seven nuclear heads have already been positioned on American soil, before September 11, and they are ready to be detonated. Before September 11, American security was a fiasco, and even later, if we needed, we could position the bombs there. They arrived through seaports, as normal cargo. A nuclear head is not bigger than a fridge, so it can easily be camouflaged as one. Thousands of containers arrive at a seaport every day, and even with very efficient security, it's impossible to check and examine each one of them."

Al-Usuquf says that the bombs were bought on the black market: five from the former USSR and two from Pakistan. The five Russian heads "are from T-3 missiles, also known as RD-107, and their power is around 100 kilotons each, that is five times the Hiroshima bomb. The Pakistani ones are less powerful, something around 10 kilotons each."

Each of the Russian bombs would have cost around $200 million. Al-Qaeda was able to raise the money "because we have many sponsors. Many countries sponsor us, and also some very rich people." And not all of these are Arab countries. "Some European countries as well are also interested in the fall of the US." As to the "rich people", they are "people who are also tired of seeing the US bleeding the rest of the world."

And Iraq's Saddam Hussein, says Al-Usuquf, is not one of these people, "but just a collaborator, represented by Abdul Tawab Hawaish, his vice prime minister and responsible for Iraq's arms program".

Al-Usuquf says that the bombs cannot be detected by US authorities. "Even if they are old, they were modernized and are very well hidden. Even if they were located, they have autodetonation mechanisms in case something or someone gets close. Even an electromagnetic pulse is not capable of deactivating them." The bombs allegedly cannot be detected because "they are enveloped in thick layers of lead". They could be detonated "by various methods - cellphone call, radio frequency, seismic shock or by their regressive clock".

Al-Usuquf details the whole plan. "First, one head would be detonated, which would cause the deaths of 800,000 to 1 million people and a chaos never seen before. During this chaos, two or three planes, which are now disassembled inside barns near empty roads in the US countryside, would take off in suicide missions to pulverize another two or three big American cities with chemicals. Once the disease was identified, all seaports and airports would be quarantined. Land borders would also be closed. No plane, boat or car would enter or leave the US. This would be total chaos." The first target would be the city "that would offer the best conditions, for example bright sky and winds of eight or more miles an hour blowing towards the center of the country, so radioactive dust can contaminate the largest possible area".

This attack would not knock out the US, recognizes al-Usuquf, "But the process would be initiated. As with the World Trade Center, it would be just a question of time for the whole economic structure to be turned to dust. If the objectives are reached with one bomb and diseases, probably we will save the lives of other people, but it's risky, and probably six more bombs will be detonated, one a week, and more attacks with chemical weapons will be launched." According to estimates made by al-Usuquf "and Ayman al- Zawahiri", al-Qaeda's number 2, about 15 million people would die, victims of the bombs and the radiation. Among those contaminated by diseases, "25 percent will die, a figure around more than 5 million, plus many others due to the chaos and disorder".

Al-Usuquf does not fear an American military response. "Even if five or 10 cities are chosen at random to be destroyed, it will still be a small price to pay. The problem is that the economic despair will be so great that even if it saves [money] by not using weapons, American liquidity will be near zero, and the US will make more money selling a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier to Turkey or Italy for $5 billion, because they will urgently need to recapitalize. But it will be too late. Moreover, what will remain of an American soldier's morale to fight knowing that his whole family died and his country ceased to exist? To fight for what?"

The world economy would not collapse, says al-Usuquf, although "in the beginning, it will be very difficult. But without the US the world will soon rise in a more just and fraternal manner. Nothing can stop the plan."

And whatever America does, "it's too late". When will the attack begin? "I can't tell."

(Excerpt) Read more at atimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaedanukes; alqaedastrategy; alusuquf; escobar; globaljihad; hoax; pepeescobar; terrisom; withdrawn
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To: newuserOH2002
What this man obviously does not understand is the sheer number of nuclear warheads possessed by the US. If they actually could somehow implement their plan, after the first or second nuke hit this country, the US government would have no choice but to rain nuclear fire on the entire Islamic world. If the US government failed to do this (say if Hillary or Pelosi was President) they would be overthrown by the American people and the new government would give the launch order. We might theoretically lose 10 or 15 million people, but Islam would be utterly destroyed, and most likely would never rise again.
81 posted on 11/14/2002 9:53:11 AM PST by LonghornFreeper
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To: what's up
Yes, it seems like when they had the economy down after Sept. 11 they would have just kept going...not wait for the economy to recover like it has.
Well, one possible explanation could be that they are trying to invoke terror. Thus many many unsubstantiated claims.
82 posted on 11/14/2002 9:54:52 AM PST by ottersnot
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To: Poohbah
You need a fuel-processing facility. Not exactly portable.

That was understood and wasn't the question. Assume some lithium titride was obtained via the black market and transported to the US. How big would be the minimum necessary bomb arming and maintenance facility?

83 posted on 11/14/2002 9:57:01 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: riri
So, here's a question. Why the attack in Bali and attempted attack in the Gulf on French ship not too long ago? Why waste time on such small potatoes? Unless, small time independent cells are pulling them off. But, wouldn't it be wiser to halt small attacks and wait for the big, final attack?
84 posted on 11/14/2002 9:58:27 AM PST by riri
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To: Campion
I didn't hear this first hand, so I cannot vouch for the veracity of the claim, but I was told that the news this morning was reporting that the latest "Bin Laden tape" appeared to have been pieced together from multiple sources.
85 posted on 11/14/2002 10:02:00 AM PST by DaisyCutter
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To: Carry_Okie
Assume some lithium titride was obtained via the black market and transported to the US. How big would be the minimum necessary bomb arming and maintenance facility?

A clean room environment big enough to: allow two or three people to work immediately next to the bomb without hitting each other; ensure that the bomb is not exposed to anything but extremely dehumidified air (lithium hydride/deuteride/tritide is amazingly hygroscopic); ensure that all workers are on supplied air (no exhaled moisture hitting the lithium tritide); and ensure that the facility is shielded well enough so that there are no detectable gamma and neutron emissions (gamma shielding is a fairish amount of lead; neutron shielding is LOTS of polystyrene foam) to alert NEST. You'd need to make very noticeable modifications to a largish residential home at a minimum.

86 posted on 11/14/2002 10:06:55 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Mr. Jeeves
I have been saying for years that we are rapidly becoming a country of talking heads and paper pushers. We, as a country, produce very little today. Almost all of our manufactured goods come from China, Mexico or India. Even our steel and rubber products come from foriegn countries. Anyone who does not believe me should go Christmas shopping this year at Lowe's, Home Depot, WalMart, KMart, Miejer etal with the intent of only buying products made in the USA. You will leave with very light bags. Even many car parts and raw materials for making automotive products come from out of the country.

I don't know if his premise is correct about destroying the economy, but he definitely has a strong grasp of what our economy is built on.

As for retaliation forget Syria, Iraq and Iran. If one bomb goes off anywhere in the US, Mecca and Medina cease to exist. Then maybe we will see how long their Muslim buddies are willing to fight when they bow to the East and see nothing but a smoking ruin.

These people only understand one thing and that is brutal force. The Russians, who are maybe a little less PC than we are, understand that. Not only did they kill the terroist, with some loss of life of their own people, they desecrated their bodies so they can't go get their virgins. It may seem repulsive, but remember who we are dealing with here. If we had a theatre full of people taken hostage we would still be negotiating and turning terrorist loose by the dozens. To do otherwise would bring down the wrath of the Media. They went after Putin pretty hard, but I doubt he cared.

I hate to say this but it may eventually take a lot of killing, the spilling of a lot of Muslim blood and lot of pig fat to bring a stop to this foolishness.
87 posted on 11/14/2002 10:12:00 AM PST by redangus
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy
I personaly think they would have used one by now, but its just the berkley type of attitude that frightens me.

To think we might not retaliate, its actually possible that we wouldn't till it was too late.

Don't kid yourselfs though folks, as soon as they think it will wirk, they'll use it. I think we will lose a city before its all said and done.
88 posted on 11/14/2002 10:12:34 AM PST by uncbuck
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To: Poohbah
So would a 10,000 sf industrial space be about right?
89 posted on 11/14/2002 10:13:16 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Poohbah
Sounds like a 7-11 would work.

(Woo d'joo lykas lurp peewee dat?)
90 posted on 11/14/2002 10:14:12 AM PST by Hanging Chad
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To: Carry_Okie
So would a 10,000 sf industrial space be about right?

Yes, BUT...

You'd probably need to make extensive structural mods to support all of the lead/styrofoam you'd have to hang to stay covert. Landlords tend to frown on such things.

91 posted on 11/14/2002 10:17:51 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Hanging Chad
No, not really. I've never seen a 7-11 match the description of a "clean room."
92 posted on 11/14/2002 10:18:22 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Lloyd227
This is the stuff of stories told in middle school

Or it's a leftwingers wet dream. The mention of Kyoto and other leftwing crapola doesn't ring true.

93 posted on 11/14/2002 10:20:40 AM PST by aculeus
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To: Poohbah
you have a point
94 posted on 11/14/2002 10:21:00 AM PST by Hanging Chad
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To: SCR1
Hey, this Great country has its economy to thank for aiding in its position today as the sole superpower, but it was built on FREEDOM to create that economy.
My evidence that we would survive, the recent mid-term elections, the Dims tried to make it the economy, but didn't succeed.
The CIA has some pretty bright people working for it, I know some of them. If this story is true, The CIA knew about it already, and have been doing something about it.

Don't sweat it folks, nothing we as regular citizens can do about it other than trust in the people that can, and keep vigilent and your eyes open for suspicious behavior.
95 posted on 11/14/2002 10:23:07 AM PST by uncbuck
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
If you are correct, and I suspect you are, then I truly hope President Bush is playing this the way I think he is.

The Rats and the sand Nazis can think what they want, but I wouldn't want to play poker with G. Dubya Bush.

And if the sh!t hits the fan, they can round up the Progressive Caucus as well as the sandies, as far I'm concerned.

96 posted on 11/14/2002 10:25:57 AM PST by metesky
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To: Grampa Dave
Unless he's boasting, this is chilling....

"We have more than 500 first-rank and 800 second-rank [operatives] inside the US." "First rank" are considered ones that have lived in the US for more than 10 years, most of them married with children.

"They have an idea about the plans, and they are just waiting for a call." "Second-rank" operatives arrived in the past five years and "have no idea about the plans". They are all willing to die.
97 posted on 11/14/2002 10:33:21 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy
I think this tape was created by Saddam's thugs to try and weaken American Resolve.

It is so typical of bully thugs when the good guys decide to take out the Bullies. The bullies know that they will lose in the real fight and try to terrorize with words.

They are doing this in the UK, Europe, Australia, NZ and other countries that are our allies.

They can win a real war, and they know it. So they will try some terrorists acts to make the general population say no.

It won't work.

Any acts of terrorism against innocents in the US and UK will make us even more resolve to have our people kill the Islamofascist thugs in Iran, Iraq, Syria and Saudi land.
98 posted on 11/14/2002 10:40:43 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: DoughtyOne
We'd get them too. No mercy. We chased the damn Tories out and if this scenario did take place, these people would soon find out.
99 posted on 11/14/2002 10:41:51 AM PST by metesky
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To: Grampa Dave
Oops, this should be: They can't win a real war, and they know it. So they will try some terrorists acts to make the general population say no.
100 posted on 11/14/2002 10:44:29 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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