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1 posted on 11/13/2002 4:24:18 PM PST by Willie Green
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"Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans," Bush told reporters as he began a meeting with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan.

"By far, the vast majority of American citizens respect the Islamic people and the Muslim faith. After all, there are millions of peaceful-loving Muslim Americans," Bush said.

I'm willing to say that on the national and international stage the President speaks for me...except on this issue. Where the evil religion is concerned he seems to have blinders on. I don't blame him for not wanting to pick a fight with all the muslims in the world just now...not yet at least...but there's no point in him picking a fight with Christians either.

2 posted on 11/13/2002 4:34:17 PM PST by pgkdan
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"By far, the vast majority of American citizens respect the Islamic people and the Muslim faith.

I'm not one of them. And I find this statement not only presumptuous, but disingenuous as well. It is unlikely that, after Sept. 11, most Americans respect Muslims.

After all, there are millions of peaceful-loving Muslim Americans," Bush said.

Show me one.

"Ours is a country based upon tolerance ...

Ours has never been a country where we "tolerated" the wanton destruction of our property and our lives by madmen. And religious tolerance has dubious roots in this country's founding as well, so be careful how you toe the PC line, George.

And we're not going to let the war on terror or terrorists cause us to change our values."

We're also not going to let political correctness cause us to bare our throats to robe-clad predators. One of our values has always been a vigorous self defense. No amount of Muslim-coddling is going to change that.

3 posted on 11/13/2002 4:42:05 PM PST by IronJack
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He wants to avoid the spectacle of non-Muslim Americans tearing down mosques with their bare hands.

My hands are ready.

4 posted on 11/13/2002 4:43:31 PM PST by Siobhan
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"I'm a Uniter, not a Divider."

Nevertheless, some of the anti-Muslim arguments seem to be anecdotal, heuristic. Not what one might call rigorous proofs.

5 posted on 11/13/2002 4:47:06 PM PST by RightWhale
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Since I don't know the full details (and don't trust the mediabigots further than I can kick them with a broken leg) it is hard to reach a solid conclusion on this article. But Bush really should have made clear the distinction between Muslims (as human beings) and Islam (as a particularly hellish set of beliefs).

Some thinking recently has alerted me to a key difference between Secular Humanist and Christian/Theistic thinking. Humanists do not believe in a soul. To them a person's beliefs are not just externals; they are what makes a person what they are. To attack a belief is to attack the person holding them.

By contrast, Christians believe that at the core of a human being is not their beliefs but their soul. Beliefs can impact the soul - they can condemn it to Hell or be a vehicle for Heaven. And this means it is imperative to Christians that wrong beliefs in others be confronted and dealt with, if possible, to the salvation of the person themself.

So this is a big source of conflict, I perceive. The Christian criticizes wrong beliefs out of honest love, but that same criticism is interpreted as "hate" and an attack on the person themself by humanists.

So it is important for Christians to make clear that it is the teachings of Islam we oppose, and FOR THE SAKE OF the people enslaved by such teachings (literally and figuratively). Mediabigots may underplay or ignore all mention of Islam-inspired violence, slave-raiding and tyranny, but Christians can respond by continually pointing back to the facts of history (and daily events) and the teachings that inspire them. It is not Christians who fly planes into buildings, bomb innocent targets, take slaves in the name of religion and assert totalitarian rule as the "will of God."

Islam is a religion of evil, Mr. President. It is Satan's greatest monotheistic counterfeit, one cleverly designed to be fueled by the human passions of lust and violence that are so cleverly exploited by the Koran. That is, by promising crassly pornographic sexual pleasures in Heaven and justifying violent attacks on infidels Islam creates a powerful engine for aggression. The amazing thing is that Muslims have not been even more violent in history. Thank God for the fact that most Muslims have been as heretical as most western "Christians" of the past generation.

But what will the Atheistic West do if that changes?

Marathon (who has been studying the Koran and birthrate figures by nation lately...)

8 posted on 11/13/2002 5:00:38 PM PST by Marathon
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I think the President has tried to take a moderate tone with regard to the Moslem Islamic faith.  In some ways I agree his motives.  In other ways I think he may be missing the mark.  Here's why.

Let's say that the Moslem Islamic faith is a faith of peace.  I'm not convinced of that, but for argument's sake, I'll act is if it was for now.

The reality of the middle-east is that folks there have developed a severe hatred for Israel.  They have come down on the side of the Palestinians whom they perceive has their blood brothers.  Not only is this perception universally held by most governments of the middle-east, the newspapers and the school systems throughout the region reflect Israel in a very negative light.  And what goes for Israel, unfortunately goes for it's main ally, the United States.

Whether I like or not, I have to accept that there is some validity for suspecting anyone who comes from the middle-east.  It is likely those folks have received indoctrination targeted to reflect the US and Israel in an unfavorable light.  And when policy issues are considered, in all likelihood a higher percentage of folks from that region of the world are going to harbor different views than we or our government will.  Now, is it a wise decision to facilitate the immigration of large numbers of people who disagree with our middle-eastern policy?  Is it wise to facilitate the immigration of some folks who are going to violently disagree with our government's will?

I don't dislike people from the middle-east.  Some of the most mild-mannered honest and Christian people I have met, have come from the middle-east.  That being said, I do believe the mindset of the majority of middle-easterners is to some extent, opposed to our views and policies.  The Moslem Islamic religion finds Christianity to be in direct opposition to itself.  At least, as I understand it, it does.  If someone wishes to correct me on that point I'm willing to listen.

The point I am trying to make, is that on several different levels, I believe we have reasonable grounds to be leery of middle-eastern immigrants.  I do not think universal condemnations are in order at all.  But I think it would be unreasonable to dismiss all this.  And I happen to think that the government is pursuing a full court press to get us to do just that.  I think that is as big a mistake as it would be for us to unilaterally condemn all middle-eastern immigrants.

We should be responsible.  We should keep our eyes open.  We should not think the worst until we have tangible reason to do so.  But to think that middle-easterners are no different than folks who immigrate from other regions of the world, may be unrealistic in my view.

We should treat them with as much respect and courtesy as anyone else.  And just like with anyone else, we should report anything that may indicate a problem.

Heck, people should report anything I do if they seriously perceive a problem.

10 posted on 11/13/2002 5:03:51 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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I saw this comment from the president and I wish I hadn't. I love President Bush and I support him in most things but there are 2 areas where I think he is dead wrong and this is one of them. Is he just playing politcs with these people or does he really believe it when he says that "Islam is a religion of peace"? He does NOT speak for me when he says that most Americans respect the Islamic people and the Muslim faith. I do NOT respect any doctrine of demons and murderers nor do I believe that any faithful Christian or Jew does, nor should we. If he really believes this, then he needs to learn more about the true nature of the evil we are confronting. If he is playing politics, well, I don't agree with that either, but I could cut him a little more slack there if he would only get rid of that "religion of peace" mantra. It is an insult.
12 posted on 11/13/2002 5:19:36 PM PST by sweetliberty
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George Bush may talk tough about Iraq, but the real man is Vladimir Putin.

George Bush puts on a dress and begs at the feet of the mullahs of the "religion of peace" for mercy, while Putin invites the islamists over for some old fashioned justice.

Just wait, 'W' will put on a dress again and play Mexico's bitch and grant amnesty to all the illegal aliens, while simultaneously turning up the heat on taxpayers through the IRS to pay for all the entitlements that come with citizenship.
16 posted on 11/13/2002 5:31:22 PM PST by Dr Warmoose
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Bush said such anti-Islamic comments were at odds with the views of most Americans.

Scientific sampling? Are the comments true or false? Nothing about truth and justice is being dealt with here, just public opinion, political pandering, and ecumenical kowtowing.

Most Islamics are at odds with most Americans. Does he ever mention that?

18 posted on 11/13/2002 5:37:20 PM PST by God is good
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By far, the vast majority of American citizens respected the Islamic people and the Muslim faith prior to September 11, 2001.

A clarification, Mr. President.


22 posted on 11/13/2002 5:43:37 PM PST by ppaul
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America has never been a nation based on tolerance. We are a republic based on liberty.
37 posted on 11/13/2002 6:40:26 PM PST by AngryOne
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NOT!!!!!!!!
42 posted on 11/13/2002 6:50:13 PM PST by tutstar
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Email I sent to the President while I was watching his news conference today.

Dear Mr. President
Islam is not a religion of peace. They are a religion of terror and death. The only people they care for are themselves.

57 posted on 11/13/2002 7:21:43 PM PST by husky ed
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"By far, the vast majority of American citizens respect the Islamic people and the Muslim faith. After all, there are millions of peaceful-loving Muslim Americans," Bush said.

I believe that statement to be true, but...

the 5% or so of radical Muslim extremists are committed to establish Islam as the single global religion, at any price. The 95% of peace-loving Muslims oppose the tactics of the terrorists, but will not denounce them. How many Imams or Muftis worldwide have you heard condemn the terrorist attacks of 9-11 and afterward?

Peace loving Muslims believe that Allah wants everyone to become Muslims, so although they oppose violence, they are willing to put up with it "temporarily", because once Islamic Law rules the globe, there will be no more conflict, only peaceful harmony. It is Allah's will.

The war in which we presently find ourselves is a religious war. It is Islam against all other religions and systems of life on earth. Until Americans and our elected govenmment representatives recognize that we are in a war for survival of our religions and our culture, we are doomed to lose.

61 posted on 11/13/2002 7:27:09 PM PST by StopGlobalWhining
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I respect the vast majority of people who are Muslim.

Radical Muslims, those who kill women for showing an ankle, or murder daughters for "shaming" a male family member, do not have my respect.

Muslim men who make women carry the burden of morality while keeping the "fourth wife slot" open for hookers do not have my respect.

Muslims who feel they can kill innocent unarmed Americans in the name of their faith do not have my respect.

Most Muslims resent the radical Muslims more than we can ever imagine. They are the victims of Mullahs, control freak clerics, the Saddams of the world and common crazy thugs. My heart goes out to them.

77 posted on 11/13/2002 7:56:57 PM PST by GOPJ
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"By far, the vast majority of American citizens respect the Islamic people and the Muslim faith. After all, there are millions of peaceful-loving Muslim Americans," Bush said.

Bush has to say things like that. He has to walk a fine line politically.

We, on the other hand, are perfectly free to call them fair game.

80 posted on 11/13/2002 8:10:59 PM PST by nightdriver
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I hate when my president who I generally like quite a bit resorts to politics...lol.

Reality sux.
90 posted on 11/13/2002 10:25:23 PM PST by wardaddy
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Bush may not be able to speak the truth on Islam. But he shouldn't take on those Christian leaders who are getting the truth out.
91 posted on 11/13/2002 10:40:54 PM PST by Michael2001
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On July 4 this year, an Egyptian living in California -- who had complained about his neighbors flying a U.S. flag, had a "Read the Koran" sticker on his front door, and expressed virulent hatred for Jews -- walked into an El Al terminal at the Los Angeles airport and started shooting Jews. (Not that there's anything unpeaceful about that.)

Ann Coulter

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/744663/posts?page=68

95 posted on 11/13/2002 11:44:30 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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President GWB is a great leader of the American people, but he is not perfect. On the issue of where the loyalty of the majority of muslims in America is, IMHO he is wrong. I have not seen the majority of American muslims condemed 9.11.01 in any strong terms, or exposed the radicals among them. I pray that his mis judgement woun't cost us dearly in the coming months/years. I however understand his public statements regarding the muslim issue in the USA, he is after all the President of all American citizens, muslims included.
103 posted on 11/14/2002 12:30:28 PM PST by desertcry
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