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Putin tells reporter to 'get circumcised'
ABC News ^ | 11/12/02 | staff

Posted on 11/12/2002 8:50:00 AM PST by ppaul

Russia's media expressed has shock over a remark by Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Russia-EU summit in which he urged a Western reporter asking about the war in Chechnya to come to Moscow and "get circumcised".

Mr Putin's comments, made at a closing press conference of the Russia-EU summit in Brussels, were played by TVS television station and republished by several major Moscow newspapers and Internet sites.

The Kommersant business daily reports Mr Putin was asked a Danish reporter why Russia was using mine warfare in the separatist North Caucasus republic and exterminating Chechen civilians.

Reports say Mr Putin became infuriated by the question and launched an unprecedented defence of the three-year Chechen war that at one stage went off on a tangent.

"You, if I am not mistaken, represent an ally [of the US war on terror] and are therefore in danger," Mr Putin told the reporter, according to a transcript that appeared in the Vremya Novostei daily.

"They [the Chechens] talk about killing non-Muslims and if you are a Christian, you are in danger. And even if you are an atheist, you are in danger," Mr Putin is quoting as saying.

"If you decide to become a Muslim - even then you are not safe, because traditional Islam contradicts the conditions and goals that they [the Chechens rebels] set.

"But if you are prepared to become the most radical Islamist and prepared to get circumcised - I invite you to Moscow.

"We have specialists that deal with this problem. I suggest that you do such an operation that nothing grows out of you again," Mr Putin reportedly said.

Mr Putin is known for his tough talk that at times becomes interlaced with slang used by criminals and the military.

He launched the war in the predominantly Muslim Chechen republic in October 1999 by threatening to "waste [the Chechens] while they sit in their outhouses".

Russian media say a Kremlin aide explained to reporters after the Brussels press conference that Mr Putin was tired during the summit after a hectic working schedule.

The wide coverage given to Mr Putin's remarks appears unusual for a Russian media that has grown to carefully toe the Kremlin line in recent months.

Advice dismissed

Meanwhile, Mr Putin has brushed aside European advice on a peaceful solution to the Chechen conflict, saying it had to be solved by the Russian and Chechen people alone.

"Of course we listen to advice from our colleagues in Europe," Mr Putin told a news conference in Oslo after talks with German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, who said he hoped for a peaceful, political solution in Chechnya.

But he added: "It is an internal Russian problem to be solved between the Chechen people and the Russian federation."

Russia has scrapped plans for a partial military pullout from the southerly province since Chechen separatists took a Moscow theatre hostage last month.

The siege ended with the deaths of 128 hostages and 41 rebels.

"We don't want to turn up our noses and say that others' opinions are irrelevant," Mr Putin said.

But he added: "The problem is so complicated that no one can give really good advice."

Mr Putin said Europe had some good examples of conflict resolution but that other conflicts had rumbled on unsolved in other parts of Europe for hundreds of years.

Mr Putin has shown no sign of reining in the Russian military in Chechnya, where thousands of people have died in almost a decade of fighting.

Mr Putin has said a new constitution and elections offer the best prospects of a swift resolution.

"The political process on Chechnya must continue," Mr Schroeder said.

Mr Putin and Mr Schroeder met in Oslo because Mr Putin cancelled a planned visit to Germany last month during the theatre siege. Both men were, by coincidence, on visits to the Nordic nation.

Mr Schroeder and Mr Putin also said a UN resolution seeking to disarm Iraq offered a chance of peace.

Shortly afterwards, Iraq's parliament voted to reject the resolution while leaving the final decision to President Saddam Hussein.

Mr Putin said he hoped Arab countries would bring pressure on Iraq to comply.

Mr Putin said Moscow was keeping up contacts with Baghdad but that only Saddam knew what Iraq would finally decide.

Mr Schroeder reiterated on Monday that Germany would not take part in any US-led attacks on Iraq if Saddam failed to comply fully with the resolution.

Mr Schroeder won popularity before his re-election in September by ruling out sending troops.



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To: Terriergal
As I said, we're all human.
261 posted on 11/12/2002 1:30:12 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: feinswinesuksass
No I didn't, see my #259. I guess, I'm not communicating very well today, sorry.
262 posted on 11/12/2002 1:33:07 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: Lady Heron
Well, that's a relief, I'll let them know the next time I see them.
263 posted on 11/12/2002 1:34:12 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
Bad analogy. There were many Catholics who voiced their disgust about the priest problem. Most people do not have access to the Pope, but they do have their priest, bishops, monsignors, etc. There was and still is a huge outcry about this subject. Perhaps you didn't see the news recently when the Pope decided that the would not be dismissing priests after one charge....there was a flury of protest from the people.
264 posted on 11/12/2002 1:34:38 PM PST by Feiny
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To: Terriergal
By their actions.
265 posted on 11/12/2002 1:35:03 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
Ah, yes. Just as not all Germans supported Hitler. Islam is a religion of "peace" after all.
266 posted on 11/12/2002 1:37:40 PM PST by Autodidactic
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To: feinswinesuksass
I don't know, I just moved back here from Florida, I was gone for 7yrs, and I haven't gotten out much.
267 posted on 11/12/2002 1:37:43 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
This is also a letter which in reading, grips me with the certainty that this man loved this woman:


Sullivan Ballou, a Union soldier in the Civil War, wrote this love letter a few days before he was killed in battle. Excerpted from: www.theromantic.com and from Love Letters by Mary L. Schramski.

July 14, 1861

My very dear Sarah,

I cannot describe to you my feelings on this calm summer night, when two thousand men are sleeping around me, many of them enjoying the last, perhaps, before that of death - and I, suspicious that Death is creeping behind me with his fatal dart, am communing with God, my country, and thee.

. . . Sarah, my love for you is deathless. It seems to bind me with mighty cables that nothing but Omni-potence can break. And yet my love of Country comes over me like a strong wind and bears me irresistibly, with all these chains, to the battlefield. The memories of the blissful moments I have enjoyed with you come creeping over me, and I feel deeply grateful to God and you that I have enjoyed them so long. And hard it is for me to give them up and burn to ashes the hopes of future years when, God willing, we might still have lived and loved together and seen our boys grow up to honorable manhood around us.

If I do not return, my dear Sarah, never forget how much I loved you, nor that when my last breath escapes me on the battlefield, it will whisper your name. Forgive me my many faults and the many pains I have caused you. How thoughtless, how foolish I have sometimes been! How gladly would I wash out with my tears every little spot upon our happiness.

But, O Sarah! If the dead can come back to this earth and flit unseen around those they loved, I shall always be near you; in the gladdest days and in the darkest nights . . .

. . . and if there be a soft breeze upon your cheek, it shall be my breath, as the cool air fans your throbbing temple, it shall be my spirit passing by. Sarah, do not mourn me dead; Think I am gone and wait for thee, for we shall meet again . .
This guy has some nice little illustrations that touch on a lot of these questions you have raised. I have talked to him via email and he is very easy to converse with. I found his site a few weeks ago and found it very encouraging. Said a lot of stuff I was thinking but hadn't put into words.
Making the Way Clear

There was a time when there seemed to me to be no way to cross the gap between man and God and no reason to believe that He exists. When I looked at religion I saw nothing but many separate islands of dissention, ritual and hypocrisy.

But when I read the words of Jesus in the Bible, I was amazed to find that His words made more sense to me than anything I had ever heard from any religion. He wanted us all to be one with each other, one with Him and one with God. For the first time, I understood God's nature and the path to Him became clear.

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." Word of Jesus Christ in John 14:6-7

"I pray for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me." Word of Jesus Christ in John 17:20-23


268 posted on 11/12/2002 1:38:11 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: feinswinesuksass
There always has been evil, and I believe there always will be evil. I think it's a human trait. I wasn't aware that God regretted making us.
269 posted on 11/12/2002 1:40:41 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: feinswinesuksass
From the little that I know about Muslims in America, I believe, that like the Catholics, very few have access to the radical leaders in the middle-east, I also don't think that they are structured the same as the Catholic church, thus making it very difficulet for them to publicly make an outcry. I could be wrong.
270 posted on 11/12/2002 1:43:24 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: Autodidactic
I don't really think that is an accurate analogy, but thanks anyway.
271 posted on 11/12/2002 1:44:27 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: Terriergal
What would you like me to say?
272 posted on 11/12/2002 1:45:43 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
I had no idea about that line either, but it wouldn't surprise me. A quick look at our history show us to be a very violent creation.
273 posted on 11/12/2002 1:45:57 PM PST by Feiny
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To: Lady Heron
The thing is, you never know whether someone may discover their own non-adherence and strive to fulfill their obligations better. That is what is dangerous about Islam. Human beings are dangerous enough when physically and emotionally fearful, but Islam combines spirituality with that and creates a deadly mix. They live their lives in fear of Allah's great cosmic scales, and if their deeds on one side outweigh the Allah-pleasing deeds on the other side, they're sunk... even if they are a 'good muslim.'

In fact, the only way to be sure that the deeds which displease Allah are wiped out, is to be a martyr in Jihad. The religion itself is evil... one can only pray and hope and work toward getting the fence sitters to SEE that and get out.

274 posted on 11/12/2002 1:46:34 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: ppaul
Go Putin Go
ROFL
275 posted on 11/12/2002 1:47:51 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: stuartcr
You would be wrong about that....the Muslims in America have access to clerics. Each mosque has a cleric.
276 posted on 11/12/2002 1:49:38 PM PST by Feiny
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To: stuartcr
What would you like me to say?

ya know... I always have to chuckle when people say that. I want you to say what you think, not what I want to hear.

But if you must have an answer, I would like you to say "Ok, I'll go read Mere Christianity and that snapshotsofgod.com site."

But only if you really mean it.

277 posted on 11/12/2002 1:49:53 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: stuartcr
That is my answer as well.
278 posted on 11/12/2002 1:52:03 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: stuartcr
>>From the little that I know about Muslims in America,

Now you say this after pontificating.

Ask your muslim friends if they support a secular society with equal rights for women and all religions.

Want some sites to read up about islam from muslims.

try paktoday.com - secularislam.org -- then read islamonline and arabnews.
279 posted on 11/12/2002 1:52:06 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: Fiddlstix
I just love these Princess Di-like people whining about land mines. Why do they use land mines??? Because they work!!!! If your people are under attack in a war and you are fighting for your survival, you do what you have to do to win, and part of that involves using land mines. That's war.
280 posted on 11/12/2002 1:52:08 PM PST by dfwgator
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