Why Doug Forrester, R-NJ, LOST and LOST Badly

11.07.02 | Rick Shaftan

[willyone]

The same can be said for Cali. Lots of conservatives but the Pubbies keep running losers. It is really hard to win Presidential elections when you start out automatically losing the biggest bloc of electoral votes.

[BobFromNJ]

bump--I do not know about you or your group--BUT YOU ARE RIGHT ON -We SHOULD HAVE WON!!

[Hugin]

WHY FORRESTER LOST - AND LOST BADLY…

Because there was no Torecelli memorial service?

[AmericanVictory]

Do you know if Forrester or the NJ Pubbies have an ongoing lawsuit in federal court still, after the denial of emergency preliminary relief?

[navigator]

Thanks for posting this Coleus. I found it very informative. Will put it to use right away.

~n

[navigator]

Once he had no Torch to run against, from what I saw of Forrester, he had NOTHING to run on, no platform of what he supported, and zero ability to shift gears from anti-Torch to pro-Forrester.

That's what your campaign team is for. Do you know who they were?

[YankeeReb]

I lived in Northern Sussux for about 10 years, it was very republican /conservative ..much more so than where I live now in CT. I always wondered why the NJ repubs seemed so RINOish. If they ran some real conservative canidates I'm convinced they'd have done a lot better than they have over the last decade. Instead we got the likes of Witless Whitman and Marge Roukema so nobody thinks theres any difference between the 2 parties.

[exit82]

Antoninus, Bret Schundler got 914,713 votes in Nov. 2001. Source is found on www.voterzview.com/Weekly/33_111701htm.

[Coleus]

They do now, Roukema retired and Conservative Scott Garrett won the 5th-Congressional race.

http://www.garrettforcongress.com

[Coleus]

Remember, his main advisor was Tom Kean, RINO extraordinaire!! Tom Kean was nothing great.

[Antoninus]

So...

Schundler got 914,713 running state-wide as an out-and-out conservative.

Meanwhile, Forrester got 882,292 (almost 30,000 less) running as a "moderate".

Does that say anything?

[BobFromNJ]

Bump---You are right!!

[exit82]

Speaks volumes to me. While the Demon party examines its failures nationwide, a similar introspection is sorely needed in NJ's Republican Party. They have lost their way.

Schundler got over 30,000 votes more than Forrester in spite of opposition to Schundler from within his own party! Our Republican party tries to stand for everything thinking this will win elections. The truth is, its stands for nothing. And accomplishes the same thing.

[Keme]

If all this is true, then why did Schundler lose so badly? Why didn't these Reagan Democrats vote for him? I respectfully disagree with you, I think NJ is a lost cause for conservativism.

[Keme]

Sorry, just read the NRO article. I really thought Schundler could've done it. He was literally the greatest thing to happen to Jersey City in 100 years. I saw it myself having grown up there.

Its just so hard to stomach the fact that he lost to someone like mcgreedy.

[Clemenza]

I usually agree with you Coleus but this piece is BS!!!

First of all, most of the "Reagan Democrats" who supported the Great One are now DEAD! Besides, they supported Reagan largely out of support of his stance on "affirmative blacktion" (as they would call it) and his muscular anticommunism, more than any stance on abortion.

You should also know that the children of these Reagan Democrats have left the "blue collar belt" Of Essex/Union/Middlesex to enter into the white collar upper and middle class. These people (my parents, for example) are much more liberal on social issues than their parents and are "Catholics in name only." There is NO "Conservative Catholic majority" in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut or anywhere else in the northeast. States that are "Catholic" tend to be liberal.

Let's also not forget that those "Reagan Democrats" NEVER voted for a Conservative Senator or Governor. I believe Bill Bradly won a landslide for his reelection in 1984, even though Reagan carried the state. The only Republican elected from the mid-50s on to the Senate was Uber-RINO Clifford Case, by the way.

Lautenberg won an overwhelming margin of the women's vote. Why? BECAUSE WOMEN IN THE NORTHEAST ARE LARGELY ANTI-GUN, PRO-ENVIRONMENTALIST WACKO AND FOR SOCIALIZED EDUCATION! That's reality in New Jersey. A conservative, whether pro-life or pro-death, will never win in a state dominated by overeducated elitist upper class liberal snobs, ex-Manhattanites, union goons, ghetto blacks and immigrants.

[Coleus]

We'll talk about it over lunch some time :^)

Anyway, the campaign, once again, failed the white, middle- to-upper, middle-class male, whose main concern is keeping his earnings, ie. tax issues, and the campaign, as I explained in other posts, failed to elicit any kind of tax plan, i.e. capital gains cuts (short and long term), tuition tax credits, reducing airline taxes and gas taxes, lowering the marginal rate and making Bush's tax cuts permanent.

Did he ever call the Louse a LEFT WING LIBERAL?? RADICAL??? OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE NJ VOTER???? ANTI-FAMILY???? etc.

[Ziva]

Wowza! This guy Rick Shaftan sounds like somebody you hire if you are a conservative who wants to win.

He is. He is also a friend of mine who has been to a FReeper meeting a couple of years ago at Kessler's house.

[Salvation]

BTTT! Very interesting!

[Coleus]

Paul Mulshine

Republicans can blame this one on Whitman

http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/mulshine/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1036577846230504.xml


Republicans let a losing issue beat them again


http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/mulshine/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/103666425878660.xml