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Army's secret 'people zapper' plans
The Observer (U.K.) ^ | 11/03/2002 | Antony Barnett

Posted on 11/02/2002 5:08:18 PM PST by Pokey78

Britain has been involved in secret talks with the United States over the development of so-called non-lethal weapons, including lasers that blind the enemy and microwave systems that cook the skin of human targets.

The Observer has established that British and US military leaders met at the Ministry of Defence HQ in London to discuss the operational benefits of such technology when used as a 'persuasive tool' against people from enemy regimes.

Documents obtained under the US Freedom of Information Act detail talks about battlefield uses of the weapons and whether they could be used to back up economic sanctions against target countries. The weapons include lasers that can blind and stun an enemy and cut through metal to disable vehicles.

Another weapon discussed was a system that uses microwave beams to heat the water in human skin in the same way as a microwave oven cooks a meal. The third category of weapons was the use of gases similar to those deployed to end the terrorist siege in a Moscow theatre, which killed more than 100 hostages.

The disclosures prompted demands last night from opposition politicians for a full statement on Britain's involvement in developing such weapons. Opposition MPs and campaigners believe the fact that the military is considering developing and using these weapons in war or as a tool to threaten other states breaches a number of international arms and humanitarian treaties.

Menzies Campbell, foreign affairs spokesman for the Liberal Democrats, called on the Government to 'come clean' on Britain's involvement and will demand Foreign Secretary Jack Straw gives details.

'These reports have serious implications,' Campbell said. 'If Britain and American are together seeking to exploit loopholes in existing international arms convention, our credibility will be severely undermined. Suggestions that we use such weapons as part of any sanctions programme is a level of policy which must be discussed on the House of Commons.'

British personnel at the secret meeting with the US military included Vice Admiral Sir Jeremy Blackham and Dr Martin Hubbard, who heads the non-lethal weapons research programme at Porton Down, Wiltshire. US officers included Major General Bice, deputy commander of the US Marines in Europe, and Brigadier-General Richard Zilmer, deputy director of US operations at European Command Headquarters.

The documents reveal the full scope of the new weapons programmes that the US military is developing. The first was high-power microwave technology that cooks an enemy's skin. Its military name is the Vehicle-Mounted Active Denial System (V-Mads), but it has already been nicknamed the People Zapper. It works by harnessing electromagnetic power to fire an invisible pulse of energy at light speed towards a target. The beam causes the water molecules under the skin to vibrate violently, producing heat and discomfort. Scientists believe the system could heat a person's skin to about 130 degrees in two seconds.

The US delegation admits there might be problems with legal claims by victims.

The documents reveal that both the British and US military believe laser beams have a 'number of potential applications and desirable attributes as a non-lethal weapon'. They are impressed that laser guns can be 'tunable' either to stun or kill. Although laser weapons that permanently blind are banned under international law, the documents show officials are studying low-energy lasers that blind temporarily and others that produce a stunning effect.

The classified document, which is an 'assessment report' of a meeting that took place on 30 November 2000, admits the term 'non-lethal' was inaccurate.'


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1 posted on 11/02/2002 5:08:18 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
Would you like your Osama with fries?
2 posted on 11/02/2002 5:17:08 PM PST by Lurking2Long
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To: Lurking2Long
Only if he's cooked over a long, slow fire.
3 posted on 11/02/2002 5:20:03 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: Pokey78

4 posted on 11/02/2002 5:21:25 PM PST by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: Pokey78
Another weapon discussed was a system that uses microwave beams to heat the water in human skin in the same way as a microwave oven cooks a meal.

Can someone point out a meaningful distinction between biological and chemical weapons and the above?

5 posted on 11/02/2002 5:21:56 PM PST by independentmind
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To: Pokey78
It's simpler to just kill your enemy.
6 posted on 11/02/2002 5:24:36 PM PST by demlosers
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To: independentmind
Yes, I can. It's being specifically designed to be able to be used in a non-lethal fashion.
7 posted on 11/02/2002 5:29:15 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: Lurking2Long
Would you like your Osama with fries?

Yes, and can you supersize that?

8 posted on 11/02/2002 5:30:05 PM PST by john in missouri
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To: Senator Pardek
I see. Don't kill 'em, just burn 'em all over their bodies. And no doubt, all with the push of a button.
9 posted on 11/02/2002 5:34:38 PM PST by independentmind
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To: independentmind
[Can someone point out a meaningful distinction between biological and chemical weapons and the above?]

I don't see any. If you plan to blind me or cook me - save yourself some money and just shoot me. By the way a microwave doesn't necessarily cook the from the outside in (at least mine doesn't) The inside is cooking at the same time the outside is.

10 posted on 11/02/2002 5:38:43 PM PST by nanny
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To: independentmind
Bioweapons are generally living viruses and bacteria. Many can continue to multiply and spread well beyond the intended target population. Chemical weapons are generally poisons whose targets are in a limited area. The chemicals do not "reproduce" in a "contagious" fashion, but the effects may linger in an area for periods of hours to days. The microwave weapon is directed at a specified target. It hits the target and ceases to have additional effect when the device is turned off. Troops attending to a microwaved soldier will not be poisoned or infected with a disease.
11 posted on 11/02/2002 5:41:22 PM PST by Myrddin
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Oh, so the problem is that biological weapons can have unintended victims? The weapons as described above seem to have a strong similarity to something civilized nations have frowned upon for quite a while--torture.
12 posted on 11/02/2002 5:43:57 PM PST by independentmind
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To: nanny
I've seen purported pictures of individuals hit by a microwave weapon. The skin surface looked like a piece of chicken breast left on the grill too long. Lots of black charred areas. The soldier's clothing was completely unaffected.
13 posted on 11/02/2002 5:44:43 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: independentmind
The weapons as described above seem to have a strong similarity to something civilized nations have frowned upon for quite a while--torture.

Perhaps, but then a smile is just a frown turned upside down.

14 posted on 11/02/2002 5:56:45 PM PST by Jeff Chandler
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You might not be so glib if Saddam had the microwave weapons, no?
15 posted on 11/02/2002 5:58:12 PM PST by independentmind
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To: independentmind
Depends on their range.
16 posted on 11/02/2002 6:04:56 PM PST by Jeff Chandler
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To: Pokey78
Installing these zappers along our borders may be the only way to stop illegals. Cross into to the U.S. at any place other than an official entry point and you don't get in. Smugglers, Mexico, NY Times and demoncraps will raise hell, so it be a good idea.
17 posted on 11/02/2002 6:06:19 PM PST by Waco
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To: independentmind
But seriously, does this sound so much worse than flamethrowers, napalm, hand grenades, mortars, rockets, cannons, rifles, daisy cutters, FAEs, etc., etc., etc.?

Have you considered the possibility that this weapon may be used to repel an enemy without permanently injuring him? That it could, in fact, end up being more humane than current weaponry?
18 posted on 11/02/2002 6:10:43 PM PST by Jeff Chandler
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To: Waco
Alien al Carbón?
19 posted on 11/02/2002 6:13:03 PM PST by Jeff Chandler
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To: Jeff Chandler
But seriously, does this sound so much worse than flamethrowers, napalm, hand grenades, mortars, rockets, cannons, rifles, daisy cutters, FAEs, etc., etc., etc.?

Don't bother trying to explain what is so obvious. In a large demographic segment of humanity (which I will not name), emotion always trumps logic.

20 posted on 11/02/2002 6:14:17 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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