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States may get stuck with migrant tab
arizonarepublic.com ^ | November 2, 2002 | Sergio Bustos

Posted on 11/02/2002 10:44:05 AM PST by Sweet_Sunflower29

Arizona taxpayers may be stuck next year with paying the full tab of jailing thousands of illegal immigrants convicted of crimes.

Members of Congress left town last month to campaign for Tuesday's elections without reaching an agreement with the Bush administration on funding a Justice Department program that provided $546 million last year to states.

All 50 states, the District of Columbia and U.S. territories, including Guam, have shared in the federal dollars distributed through the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program since 1995.

Arizona, California, New York, Texas and New Jersey got the bulk of the federal money.

California received $220 million, about 40 percent of the total. Arizona got more than $24 million.

Congress and the administration are far apart on a compromise. The administration wants to kill the program. Lawmakers want the funding increased to $750 million for fiscal 2003, which began Oct. 1.

Lawmakers, especially those from border states, have long argued that it is the federal government's responsibility to reimburse states because it is charged with securing the nation's borders.

"When the federal government falls short in its efforts to control illegal immigration, it must bear the responsibility for the financial and human consequences of this failure," said Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz.

But Bush administration officials argue that the program is not directly related to fighting crime and doesn't "advance the core mission of the Justice Department."

Kyl and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., who are leading the Senate fight to increase funding, said states are spending $1.6 billion to keep criminal illegal immigrants behind bars.

What frustrates lawmakers most is that state and local governments are not being reimbursed enough to cover the full cost of incarcerating illegal immigrants.

Justice officials estimate localities receive an average of 40 cents for every dollar spent.

In border communities such as El Paso and in Arizona, the disparity is worse. El Paso gets back an average of 10 cents on the dollar, while Arizona averages about 33 cents, according to local officials.

The sharp rise in illegal immigrants nationwide who are jailed for committing crimes has prompted more states and localities to ask for federal money.

More than 400 state or local governments nationwide filed claims last year, up from 10 in 1995, according to the Justice Department.

A recent report by the Justice Department's inspector general's office won't help either side in the debate.

It found that 30 percent of those jailed in county facilities in southern Florida and Fresno, Calif., were legal, not illegal, immigrants.

The same report, however, faulted Immigration and Naturalization Service officials for failing to keep track of foreign-born inmates.

"As a result, many foreign-born inmates who are deportable aliens pass through county facilities virtually undetected," the report concluded.

Earlier this month, the program got a strong endorsement from Congress when lawmakers approved legislation to keep the illegal immigrant assistance program operating through the next two years. But the legislation did not allocate funding, which must be approved in a separate spending bill.

That won't happen until next month when Congress returns for a lame duck session to finish work on 11 of 13 remaining spending bills that keep the government in business.

Much of the government has been operating under a stopgap spending bill, which expires Nov. 22.


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To: FITZ
They should clean up the Social Security databases

I had a lady in the SSI Office tell me that at different times I've had four other people using my SSI number.

41 posted on 11/03/2002 12:38:17 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
I know a guy who had a job background check and didn't get the job because of what others had done to his social security number. He was only 18 and apparently there was a woman using it in California and she wasn't an entirely honest person. You're lucky if yours didn't ruin your credit or get in trouble with the law.
42 posted on 11/03/2002 12:43:06 PM PST by FITZ
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To: B4Ranch
Should the sheriff inforce his own immigration laws, what would he do with the illegals?
43 posted on 11/03/2002 3:12:12 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Mamzelle
"Why can't we fix this"...exactly! Got any ideas?
44 posted on 11/03/2002 3:13:35 PM PST by TheLion
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To: FITZ
We need to start turning off the benefits. Virginia used to be in the black, as to the budget. It has ballooned by about 6 or 7 Billion in the last two years. Much of this goes to those mooching off the system.
45 posted on 11/03/2002 3:18:34 PM PST by TheLion
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To: sweetliberty
If you are back from your freeping, you might want to revisit this thread.
46 posted on 11/03/2002 3:20:57 PM PST by TheLion
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To: B4Ranch
"using my SSI number"...another hidden cost. I just noticed recently that my homeowners insurance carries coverage for identity theft. You know who pays for that.
47 posted on 11/03/2002 3:24:17 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Mamzelle
"Illegals don't generally carry car insurance"....in a way they do. You pay for it in your policy.
48 posted on 11/03/2002 3:26:26 PM PST by TheLion
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To: ladyinred
"I am not sure what you expect the people of California to do."

It wasn't liberal judges' fault that Los Angeles politicians handcuffed the LAPD with Special Order 40 - a decree not to cooperate with the INS in most all cases.

Let the sheeple of Kalifornia themselves pay for the crazy liberal schemes their elected local politicians enact. Only then will they demand a crackdown on illegals by local police.

49 posted on 11/03/2002 3:26:49 PM PST by glc1173@aol.com
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To: UB355; rintense; blam; cmsgop; Dog; lonestar
Any ideas here?
50 posted on 11/03/2002 3:35:50 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Libertina
STOP saying MIGRANT!

But we're just part of one big government entity. People just move from area to another. If they want to crash jets into our buildings, then we should try to understand them. If they repeatedly break our immigration laws, and they want to hunt us down as snipers with their boy lovers, then that is just a lifestyle choice.

51 posted on 11/03/2002 3:37:17 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: Moonman62
I know you're being sarcastic...aren't you?
52 posted on 11/03/2002 3:40:58 PM PST by TheLion
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To: TheLion
Wow. Well, other than closing the borders... not much.

Could a program such as this eventually fall under the Homeland Security bill? I'm still interested in Colin Powell's cryptic referral to the immigration problem and the passing of the Homeland Security...

I'm more interested in the amount of money illegals add to citizen's healthcare premiums. If anyone has any stats on that, please let me know.

53 posted on 11/03/2002 3:42:31 PM PST by rintense
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To: aruanan; vnix; GOPJ; SamAdams76; rs79bm; Cicero; RightWhale
Care to weight in on this one?
54 posted on 11/03/2002 3:42:44 PM PST by TheLion
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To: rintense
Haven't read the homeland security bill...maybe that is why Dasche is blocking it. Democrats don't want to resolve the problem. Somebody has to pay for the healthcare bills. I'm sure hospitals pass along the cost, if they can't get it back through government plans. Then of course, higher taxes pay for the government plans at both the state and federal levels. Maybe someone can provide us with details.
55 posted on 11/03/2002 3:48:08 PM PST by TheLion
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To: stevem; spycatcher; lodwick; adingdangdoo; meenie; jackbill
Any input here?
56 posted on 11/03/2002 3:51:09 PM PST by TheLion
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To: TheLion
Well we've all heard the horror stories of pregnany illegals coming here just to give birth. Where I live, we get a lot of seasonal illegals (farming, crops, etc). So I've often wondered what the impact is on my healthcare premiums. Now, if the INS/Feds were doing their jobs at the borders, I wouldn't have to ask about healthcare costs...
57 posted on 11/03/2002 3:52:33 PM PST by rintense
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To: rintense
Until we get the DemoRats out of office, insanity and chaos will reign. If this is exposed enough in the media, maybe the sheeple will get involved.
58 posted on 11/03/2002 3:59:42 PM PST by TheLion
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To: mhking; MHGinTN; lodwick; yoe; coteblanche; sinkspur
Care to comment?
59 posted on 11/03/2002 4:01:44 PM PST by TheLion
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To: ZULU; viligantcitizen; A. Pole; eno_; wimpycat; jern; shezza
Care to comment?
60 posted on 11/03/2002 4:05:49 PM PST by TheLion
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