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Prison Chaplain thinks sniper suspect (John Mohammed) is part of cult
©Finger Lakes Times 2002 ^ | November 01, 2002 | By: HARI RAO

Posted on 11/01/2002 10:39:29 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

ROMULUS NY- Deacon Gregory Kiley, the Roman Catholic chaplain at Five Points Correctional Facility, believes Muhammad is a member of a cult founded in the New York state prison system.

"I'm quite sure that he belongs to a cult ... called the Five Percenters," said Kiley, who works with prisoners of all faiths at the maximum security facility.

"They are not a part of 'Al-Islam,' the worldwide Muslim community. The references to 'I am God'; the five stars on the letters to police; the phrase [used in the letters] 'Word is bond.' All these suggest a connection."

The Five Percenters spun off from the Nation of Islam in the early 1960s. The Nation of Islam was and is a black nationalist group, founded in 1930. Ted Swedenburg, an anthropology professor at the University of Arkansas, says on a Web site about Five Percenters that much of the Nation of Islam ideology is based not on mainstream Islamic beliefs but on theories of black supremacy.

The founder of the Five Percenters was a man who called himself Clarence 13X. Like his mentor, famed black activist Malcolm X, Clarence 13X became disenchanted with the Nation of Islam and decided to form his own organization.

13X adopted most of the Nation of Islam race theory, adding the doctrine of "I am God." According to this doctrine, a man who masters himself takes control of his own destiny, effectively becoming God. Women are referred to as "Earths," and the religion itself is commonly referred to as "The Nation of Gods and Earths."

The name "Five Percenters" refers to the 5 percent of humanity who are believed to be truly divine, or god-like, according to Kiley, who lives in Clyde.

"A true Muslim would never say 'I am God.' That would be blasphemy, a horrible sin," Kiley said. "Even a person who flies planes into buildings would never say such a thing. Muslims say the prayer, 'There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet.'

"Also, a convert to true Islam would change his first name, not his last name, like Mr. Muhammad did. Changing the last name shows disrespect for the convert's father, according to Islam."

John Muhammad's former name was John Allen Williams.

Kiley said he has worked with Five Percenters, Nation of Islam members, and orthodox Sunni Muslims. He says that today's Nation of Islam, headed by Louis Farrakhan, is moving closer to the worldwide Islamic mainstream. By contrast, the Five Percenters cling to old black supremacy theories and are mostly made up of gang members who are often violent and specialize in extortion, Kiley said.

Investigators believe that one of the purposes of the sniper killings was to extort $10 million from the government. A note left by the snipers in Manassas, Va., demanded that $10 million be left in the account of a stolen credit card. The same note said, "Your children are not safe anywhere, at any time."

The Five Percenter ideology has been embraced by members of the modern rap music community, according to Kiley, Swedenburg and the hip-hop music site, www.africana.com. A song by the Jamaican reggae/rap group Brand Nubian has used the Five Percenter phrase "Word is Bond," a phrase used by the snipers in at least one of their letters, the Washington Post has reported.

Rapper Busta Rhymes, members of the highly influential Wu-Tang Clan, are also reported to be active Five Percenters. Kiley speculated that this is how Muhammad learned of the movement and adopted some of its teachings.

When reached yesterday at the command center in Montgomery County, Md., where the investigation into the sniper case is headquartered, Capt. Nancy Demme said investigators had no knowledge of Muhammad's possible connection to the Five Percenters.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: New York; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: bustarhymes; fivepercenters; harirao; islam; jihadinamerica; johnmohammed; maryland; sniper; wutangclan
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
The islamic cult won't matter much after he's hung.
61 posted on 11/01/2002 1:49:46 PM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: aristeides
The tarot card didn't say, "I am God." It said, "Call me God."

Are you sure? I thought the tarot card said "I am God," but the letter left near the Ponderosa restaurant said "Call me God." But there's been so much misreporting regarding the exact words in these notes (Dear Policeman, Dear Mr. Policeman, etc.), that I'm really not certain.

62 posted on 11/01/2002 2:11:27 PM PST by Mitchell
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To: Mitchell; Miss Marple
Listen to the tape of Malvo calling the Rockville police department on Oct. 15th that's now been released. He says it says, "Call me God." I think the reports saying the card said, "I am God" were either misreporting, or deliberately skewed information from the police for the purpose of controlling the investigation.
63 posted on 11/01/2002 2:16:40 PM PST by aristeides
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To: TexKat
Hang 'em High !!

Molon Labe !!
64 posted on 11/01/2002 2:28:41 PM PST by blackie
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It would seem one who thinks "I am God" would also say "Call me God" so I don't see why the wording matters in this context.
65 posted on 11/01/2002 2:29:02 PM PST by D-fendr
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To: Arthur McGowan
huge population of unevangelized people. And unbaptized. Missionaries of all Christian churches testify to the prevalence of Satanic influences they encounter in populations who are largely unbaptized.

Do the missionaries report that occult practices, like Tarot cards are, are common?

66 posted on 11/01/2002 2:59:09 PM PST by Niagara
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To: American in Israel
I don't care what name this denomination of Islam wants to call it self, it is just another Piece of Islam to me.

I agree. And it shows one of the problems we are up against.

The ACLU and the rest of the liberals won't let prisons control these gangs because they are cloaked as religion.

Instead of conceding the need for safety and order behind bars, they sue to allow Muslims, etc., to flought prison rules in the name of "religion."

As a result the thugs are allowed to recruit others to the cause with impunity.

67 posted on 11/01/2002 3:04:06 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: aristeides
Thanks for the information.
68 posted on 11/01/2002 3:26:10 PM PST by Mitchell
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To: D-fendr
Doesn't work in reverse. Someone who says, "Call me God" need not believe that he is God.
69 posted on 11/01/2002 3:31:21 PM PST by aristeides
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To: Mitchell
By CURT ANDERSON, Associated Press Published 4:13 a.m. PDT Friday, October 25, 2002 WASHINGTON (AP) - The letter left by the sniper suspects outside a Virginia steakhouse began with a cover sheet that said "call me God" and demanded $10 million ransom in "unlimited withdrawal" around the world, law enforcement officials said Friday night. "For you, Mr. Policeman. Call me God. Don't release to the press," says the letter, described by a federal law enforcement source familiar with the four-page document.
70 posted on 11/01/2002 3:35:23 PM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: aristeides
So, y'think he meant "Call me God" as in: "Get me God on the phone?"

{^_^}

71 posted on 11/01/2002 3:50:26 PM PST by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr
That's not what I was thinking. I was thinking somebody's who's all puffed up with himself and wants to lord it over other people can tell them, "Call me God," when he is perfectly aware that he is not God.
72 posted on 11/01/2002 3:56:37 PM PST by aristeides
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
islamotrash by any other name is still islamotrash...
74 posted on 11/01/2002 4:26:58 PM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; aristeides; Fred Mertz; TimPatriot; FreeTally; *JIHAD IN AMERICA; ...
The references to 'I am God'; the five stars on the letters to police; the phrase [used in the letters] 'Word is bond.' All these suggest a connection."

He said call me God and the term "word is bond" is simply ghetto slang. No connection to thje devil or a cult there. As far as the five stars go... Click Here For the major Islam Connection

This puts it, as so many articles before it, into clear perspective. There is an Islam connection and Louis Farrakhan is sitting right in the center of it. There are too many sources for this to be all a farse or an election ploy to get votes as some have tried to spin it as in this thread.

75 posted on 11/01/2002 4:31:00 PM PST by Mixer
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To: TimPatriot
This sounds like pure B.S.

I don't think so. Freepers were all over the Five Percenter connection like a rash the day after Muhammed was arrested. On some thread, hispanarepublicana (as I recall) posted literature from the Five Percenters highlighting phrases they use that exactly matched Muhammed and Malvo's. Also, a priest who works in prison systems really is an expert on this sort of thing...he's seen it all, no doubt about it. You can probably look up Five Percenters online, sorry I can't help you with a link.

76 posted on 11/01/2002 5:57:48 PM PST by PoisedWoman
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To: Capt. Tom
Sniper Letter to police found near killing site in Ashland, Va. can be found at FreeRepublic at the following:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/776112/posts

Reply #5

77 posted on 11/01/2002 6:09:51 PM PST by TexKat
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Shermy; Clovis_Skeptic; ladyinred; Squantos; Travis McGee; ...
Islamakazi = Member of Nation of Islam = Member of al Fuqra = 5 Percenter = Black Panther = New Black Panther = Islamakazi.

Don't get confused by the different labels out there for these sects. They are all the same.

The focus now by their butt buddies, the Politically Correct Mediots is to say that John Muhammad is not al Qaeda nor is he really a Nation of Islam Killer. Don't believe their bravo sierra he was a member of the Nation of Islam.

The reality is that any of these killers and haters of America depending on the day, the week, the month or the year can be any of the following:

Islamakazi = Member of Nation of Islam = Member of al Fuqra = 5 Percenter = Black Panther = New Black Panther = Islamakazi.

They are all Islamakazis with the potential and the desire to kill all of us!

78 posted on 11/01/2002 6:17:39 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: wideawake
Thank you very much for posting this information!
79 posted on 11/01/2002 7:13:06 PM PST by Aracelis
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To: Naspino
Its called I-S-L-A-M.

OK ... I SLAM Islam ...

80 posted on 11/01/2002 8:17:13 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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