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Prison Chaplain thinks sniper suspect (John Mohammed) is part of cult
©Finger Lakes Times 2002 ^ | November 01, 2002 | By: HARI RAO

Posted on 11/01/2002 10:39:29 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

ROMULUS NY- Deacon Gregory Kiley, the Roman Catholic chaplain at Five Points Correctional Facility, believes Muhammad is a member of a cult founded in the New York state prison system.

"I'm quite sure that he belongs to a cult ... called the Five Percenters," said Kiley, who works with prisoners of all faiths at the maximum security facility.

"They are not a part of 'Al-Islam,' the worldwide Muslim community. The references to 'I am God'; the five stars on the letters to police; the phrase [used in the letters] 'Word is bond.' All these suggest a connection."

The Five Percenters spun off from the Nation of Islam in the early 1960s. The Nation of Islam was and is a black nationalist group, founded in 1930. Ted Swedenburg, an anthropology professor at the University of Arkansas, says on a Web site about Five Percenters that much of the Nation of Islam ideology is based not on mainstream Islamic beliefs but on theories of black supremacy.

The founder of the Five Percenters was a man who called himself Clarence 13X. Like his mentor, famed black activist Malcolm X, Clarence 13X became disenchanted with the Nation of Islam and decided to form his own organization.

13X adopted most of the Nation of Islam race theory, adding the doctrine of "I am God." According to this doctrine, a man who masters himself takes control of his own destiny, effectively becoming God. Women are referred to as "Earths," and the religion itself is commonly referred to as "The Nation of Gods and Earths."

The name "Five Percenters" refers to the 5 percent of humanity who are believed to be truly divine, or god-like, according to Kiley, who lives in Clyde.

"A true Muslim would never say 'I am God.' That would be blasphemy, a horrible sin," Kiley said. "Even a person who flies planes into buildings would never say such a thing. Muslims say the prayer, 'There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet.'

"Also, a convert to true Islam would change his first name, not his last name, like Mr. Muhammad did. Changing the last name shows disrespect for the convert's father, according to Islam."

John Muhammad's former name was John Allen Williams.

Kiley said he has worked with Five Percenters, Nation of Islam members, and orthodox Sunni Muslims. He says that today's Nation of Islam, headed by Louis Farrakhan, is moving closer to the worldwide Islamic mainstream. By contrast, the Five Percenters cling to old black supremacy theories and are mostly made up of gang members who are often violent and specialize in extortion, Kiley said.

Investigators believe that one of the purposes of the sniper killings was to extort $10 million from the government. A note left by the snipers in Manassas, Va., demanded that $10 million be left in the account of a stolen credit card. The same note said, "Your children are not safe anywhere, at any time."

The Five Percenter ideology has been embraced by members of the modern rap music community, according to Kiley, Swedenburg and the hip-hop music site, www.africana.com. A song by the Jamaican reggae/rap group Brand Nubian has used the Five Percenter phrase "Word is Bond," a phrase used by the snipers in at least one of their letters, the Washington Post has reported.

Rapper Busta Rhymes, members of the highly influential Wu-Tang Clan, are also reported to be active Five Percenters. Kiley speculated that this is how Muhammad learned of the movement and adopted some of its teachings.

When reached yesterday at the command center in Montgomery County, Md., where the investigation into the sniper case is headquartered, Capt. Nancy Demme said investigators had no knowledge of Muhammad's possible connection to the Five Percenters.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: New York; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: bustarhymes; fivepercenters; harirao; islam; jihadinamerica; johnmohammed; maryland; sniper; wutangclan
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21 posted on 11/01/2002 11:08:30 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Travis McGee; harpseal; patton; PsyOps; piasa; SLB; AAABEST; pocat
http://foia.fbi.gov/5percent.htm


More here on the 5%'rs.............Stay Safe !
22 posted on 11/01/2002 11:08:52 AM PST by Squantos
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To: A_perfect_lady
Maybe you got it from my post on another thread.

I got my information from a coworker who used to be a 5%er because her live-in boyfriend was.

When she left him, she left them - and she told me quite a bit about the group.

23 posted on 11/01/2002 11:10:18 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Fred Mertz
The Five Percenters are real and active in all african communities. A family friend is quite familiar with their ideas and actually believes them. Pitiful!
24 posted on 11/01/2002 11:14:21 AM PST by OldFriend
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Fox News is playing a recording of Malvo's phone call to Rockville City Police on Oct 15. They did not call the Tip line. Rockville tried to refer them to the tip line,caller hung up.
25 posted on 11/01/2002 11:14:40 AM PST by TexKat
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To: FreeTally
Don't take it personally, I was really expressing my frustration with the "Mainstream" media and not any FR postings. I am actually grateful for FR and all those who post so others can get more information often not easily available. My take is that the story about J. Mohammed's theorized 5%er connection is just another attempt to paint him as some one not a part of the "Religion of Peace" and that the "Religion of Peace" has nothing to do with it, just as repeating that he is a Gulf War Veteran. See Coulte's column if interested http://www.townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/ac20021101.shtml
26 posted on 11/01/2002 11:14:53 AM PST by TimPatriot
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To: Shermy; aristeides; Miss Marple
Fox is playing the audio tape of one of the snipers talking to 911.....they use the term...."Call me God"

This case keeps growing legs..

27 posted on 11/01/2002 11:15:49 AM PST by Dog
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
If nothing else Muhammad offers a model for others jihadis to follow.

See this new column expressing the same: The Real Lesson of the DC Sniper (by Liz Michael, ignore that).

Expect more. Chatter is up, right before Ramadan.

28 posted on 11/01/2002 11:20:41 AM PST by flamefront
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To: Shermy
Word is bond
By James Muhammad
Oct 14, 2002, 00:06
29 posted on 11/01/2002 11:21:10 AM PST by TexKat
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To: Dog
One idea forwarded that the "I am God" statement on the Tarot Card was in response to the talking heads on TV, of which one or more experts said the then unknown perp "thinks he's God."
30 posted on 11/01/2002 11:23:55 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Fred Mertz
Is this Five Percenter story disinformation du jour?

The Five Percenter connection is not improbable, but this story (and others)seek to disassociate it from the NOI and Islam, and to make the NOI somehow more respectable because it is moving toward mainstream Islam, that wonderful religion of international peace...

This article gives a good picture of the relationship of NOI and the Five Percenters -- and it is not a positive one.

The Seamless Garment Of Hate: The Beltway Sniper Shootings And Islam

An terrorist influenced by Islam is, by any other name, still an Islamic terrorist....

31 posted on 11/01/2002 11:24:13 AM PST by browardchad
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To: EBUCK; hispanarepublicana
Being involved in 5% is not necessarily mutually exclusive with considering yourself Muslim, or being allied with Muslims, or being in the pay of Muslims
32 posted on 11/01/2002 11:24:23 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Five Percenters that much of the Nation of Islam ideology is based not on mainstream Islamic beliefs but on theories of black supremacy

The newest version of political correctness is to not insult anyone by failing to differentiate their particular form of Satanism.

33 posted on 11/01/2002 11:25:19 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: wideawake
When she left him, she left them - and she told me quite a bit about the group.

Could you post what you know?

34 posted on 11/01/2002 11:25:35 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Who cares whether they're 5 Percenters, or Nation of Islam or Wahhabists or whatever else...they're TERRORISTS, and a terrorist by any other name is...a TERRORIST. (Williams/Muhammad was a member of the Nation of Islam, and deacon's comments are pure conjecture.)
35 posted on 11/01/2002 11:26:00 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
are the 5%'ers also NAMBLA types?
36 posted on 11/01/2002 11:27:08 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
This means he is Islamic, but there's that little meaning of the word "is."
Was he Islamic back then that was the "is" then, or "is" he Islamic that is the "is" now?
Therefore, he must be an Islamic maybe not.
37 posted on 11/01/2002 11:27:25 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: txflake
did hispanarepublica change her handle?

Its hispanarepublicana

38 posted on 11/01/2002 11:29:18 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: cake_crumb
Sorry...the CHAPLAIN'S comments are pure conjecture.
39 posted on 11/01/2002 11:29:43 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
He says that today's Nation of Islam, headed by Louis Farrakhan, is moving closer to the worldwide Islamic mainstream.

Oh that's comforting.

40 posted on 11/01/2002 11:29:44 AM PST by Lent
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