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zogby poll is wrong its not a tie or the economy stupid

Paul Begala called his book "It is still the economy stupid" and now John Zogby appears and says the same thing. I wonder if Carville thought this plan up? Mind you this poll was taken before the Wellstone mess that the democrats did the other night.

The new zogby poll is out and John says its the economy that is on voters minds and that America is at a tie again.

I hate to shatter zogbys dream but from what I see the defense of this nation is number one and we are about to see a republican landslide next week in the 2002 election. Just like the profilers were way off with the sniper, so is Zogby with the 2002 election.

1 posted on 10/31/2002 1:12:44 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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but from what I see the defense of this nation is number one and we are about to see a republican landslide next week in the 2002 election.

You're dreaming.

The GOP will retain the House but the Senate will likely remain exactly the way it is, or even two Dem seats up.

2 posted on 10/31/2002 1:16:41 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: TLBSHOW
I'm rooting for a Republican sweep as much as anyone, but I'm afraid that Zogby is correct that control of Congress is too close to call, particularly if you're talking about the Senate.

One thing about Zogby, he has all the inside info on the Democratic Party dirty tricks when it comes to vote fraud and stealing elections. Never dismiss this guy out of hand.

3 posted on 10/31/2002 1:16:59 PM PST by jpl
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To: TLBSHOW
I sure hope you are right, and I believe you are! I have stopped watching slope and snake head. Can't take it anymore.
4 posted on 10/31/2002 1:19:15 PM PST by Goatroper
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To: TLBSHOW
Too close to call means voter turnout is everything. We know what we need to do!
5 posted on 10/31/2002 1:25:02 PM PST by coramdeo
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To: TLBSHOW
Another terrorist attack on the scale of 9/11 would do far more damage to the economy than any legislation. Its terrorism stupid!
7 posted on 10/31/2002 1:28:03 PM PST by Russell Scott
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To: TLBSHOW
Zogby has generally been pretty accurate over the last 8 or so years. It really is the economy.
8 posted on 10/31/2002 1:28:08 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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To: TLBSHOW
Even if we grant a 51-49 Dem favorable generic ballot, this is still good news for Republicans. Dems represent (predominantly) urban areas where are consistently oversampled in polls because they are population centers, and the Dems are packed into those districts. A good friend of mine who has been a political hack/consultant for 30+ years said that if Reps are within 3 of the generic congressional polls, we're winning.
10 posted on 10/31/2002 1:28:18 PM PST by Gophack
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So terrorism is tied for last place as a concern of Americans? Is that maybe because the Zogby family lobby in their spare time for terrorists? This poll stinks to high heaven of bias.
11 posted on 10/31/2002 1:28:47 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: TLBSHOW; Torie; KQQL; BlackRazor
TLB... don't look for the House to change hands (Zog's numbers reflect national feel but this isn't a national election, but rather 435 individual races among about 635,000 voters in each race) ..... but the Senate is really up in the air and it depends upon how the undecideds break over the weekend....
14 posted on 10/31/2002 1:30:17 PM PST by deport
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Zogby has lost all of his credibility since 9/11. He is so anti Republican that it's starting to show, bigtime. My prediction: GOP holds the House and wins the Senate with one seat to spare!!!
15 posted on 10/31/2002 1:31:25 PM PST by Highest Authority
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I wish they would also ask the respondents what it is exactly the democrats can do for the economy.
17 posted on 10/31/2002 1:31:58 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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If the GOP is tied with RATS in a generic poll, then the GOP will gain Seats in the house ......



25 posted on 10/31/2002 1:47:49 PM PST by KQQL
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To: TLBSHOW
According to the lead pollster for "Battleground", the Republicans will gain 1 or 2 seats in the House and will break even in the Senate. He also indicated that Republican voters seem MORE motivated this election than the Democrat voters!! [NOTE: He underscored that these gains should be viewed as an incredible accomplishment considering the historical precedent against such an outcome!]

Bottomline: REPUBLICANS MUST GET OUT THE VOTE!!! Are all of you scheduled to make your calls and/or walk your precincts?!
26 posted on 10/31/2002 1:48:14 PM PST by DrDeb
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How is the man wrong by reporting the results of his poll ?
28 posted on 10/31/2002 1:54:42 PM PST by VRWC_minion
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Pollster John Zogby: "Barring a late calamity or anything else unforeseen, neither party goes into this election with the upper hand...

The poll was conducted between 10/26-29. The Democrat campaign rally in Minnesota didn't take place till the evening of 10/29. I think the rally would qualify as a "late calamity" for the Dems.

Interesting that Zogby won't be doing another poll before the election ("quit while you're ahead" mentality?).

32 posted on 10/31/2002 2:23:53 PM PST by Otta B Sleepin
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Zomby knows very well that at this point in a cycle the rats are usually plus 3 or more. Two more honest rat polls ABC and New week have us up which is amazing for this point in an election cycle.
37 posted on 10/31/2002 2:55:33 PM PST by jmaroneps37
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Remember and beware of Zogby's tricks!!! He puts out these phony polls before the election to influence, and then does a "final" poll a day before election day, which of course is the one that counts when everyone looks back to see who was the most accurate.
42 posted on 10/31/2002 4:15:35 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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You are probably right, but the GOP could be doing a lot more to illustrate that defense of the homeland is not a Democrat priority.

Is the RNC really going to let the rats get away with their failure to pass a security bill?

If the situation was reversed, do you really think the rats wouldn't be continuously crucifying the GOP as soft on defense?.

The GOP's inability to exploit major propagada opportunities is going to cost it in the long run.

I only hope that the younger generation of Republicans gain control soon and annihilate the rats once and for all.

It's not like it would be hard to do.

45 posted on 10/31/2002 4:38:34 PM PST by Rome2000
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I never believe Zogby until the day before the election. Lots of times his numbers just don't add up. He said McBride was surging in florida. We now know that he was not. Zogby was wrong. He is wrong a lot until just before the election. To keep his reputation he must get the last polls close as he can. I have never doubted his ability to poll better than almost anyone. But lots of times he is polling for his or his employers agenda. He gets accurate just before voting time.

But I do know that the parties are doing lots of tracking polls. They tend to be very accurate.

There is no way the Repubicans can lose the House. You don't need polls to tell you that. The house is more gerrymandered than it was in 2000. If we did not lose the house in 2000 we are not going to lose it in 2002. The Democrats will have to do better than they did with Gore. There is far more Republican effort his year than their was in 2000. There is far less democratic effort. That can't be good for Democrats.

I can not imagine the economy being the big issue this year. The people who took baths in the stock market are mostly Republicans. The typical Democratic voter doesn't even have a checking account much less a broker. If the rich stock holders lost big bucks, the typical rank and file Democrat is happy not sad.

The high tech bubble burst on the left and right coasts... that is in Democrat territory. But that bubble has little effect in other areas of the US. The typical republican voter has not seen any bad economy that really effects him. In my own family my sons business has never been better. He is adding 7,000 square feet of space to his store. One of my step sons is a doctor. Business is great. My other step son is a chemist with a major manufacturing firm. He just got promoted to management. His company is expanding. He and my daughter just bought a new house. No one in the 'tator family is hurting.

Danger trumps overtime and job layoffs. I can tell you females were frightened by the sniper.They still are. I think the Walter Cronkite veiw of Saddam has zero traction. After the Gulf war no one over 25 believes that we would lose if go after Saddam alone. And trying to sell Americans that we are too weak or that we should subvert our national goals to the UN is just crazy. That is not where Americans go. Americans think we are in danger. When there is danger Americans want the danger removed. Living with danger because it is dangerous to remove it is not the way go get American support.

Lately I have been hearing lots of too close to call. We are not getting a lot of Demoratic party tracking polls released. But if they were good it would be much to the Democrats advantage to release them. The Media would really use them to help Democrats. Republicans have little reason to release good polls. The media will not play them well for Republicans. For republicans the generic too close to call is superior to releasing good news only to have the media spin it into bad.

I am also encouraged by Bush's efforts. No president can put his prestige on the line if he is apt or certain to lose. For 2 straight years all we would hear is bush is popular but that doesn't translate in to votes. That is why the Bush schedule is fluid. Presidents put their prestige on the line to increase the victory not to try to lessen a disaster.

There are also calls for McAuliffe to be replaced. Coaches about to win national championships do not have to face press rumors that they are going to be replaced.

Democrats have been trying to to change the agenda to domestic issues with not much luck. There were calls to fight bush on Iraq. Then there were calls to support him on Iraq but hedge. There have been strategy change after strategy change in this race. And all the changing had been Democratic changing.

People who are winning a race rarely change strategy. No one says...what we are doing is working so lets do something else. People do say what we are doing is not working lets try something else.

It is the Democrats who keep trying to change the topic ... to try to do something different. That usually means they are losing.

I think there is no way to lose the house. There is a good shot to take the senate. This is going to be a good Republican year.

46 posted on 10/31/2002 6:58:23 PM PST by Common Tator
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Yep, jobs are a really big issue--unless you work in construction (which is experiencing its biggest boom in more than two decades) or automotives.

Just try to find a painter, plumber, or mason who isn't booked for the next three months.

Just because this isn't a perfect job market for liberal guys in the northeast or on the west coast who decided to be computer jocks doesn't mean other people aren't working. Especially...the anti-smoking, anti-obesity trial lawyers.

54 posted on 10/31/2002 9:30:47 PM PST by MHT
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