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Sniper Suspect and Moose in Oregon Guard
Portland Tribune ^ | 10/25/2002 | Ben Jacklet

Posted on 10/25/2002 1:42:18 PM PDT by ex-Texan

Sniper Suspect and Moose in Oregon Guard

In a bizarre twist to sniper case, the two served at the same time in different units near PDX

BY BEN JACKLET

The suspected serial sniper and the cop who has been hunting him in the Maryland-Washington, D.C., area for three deadly weeks may have crossed paths in Portland years before the murders occurred.

John Allen Muhammad, the former soldier arrested Thursday in connection with the serial sniper attacks around Washington, D.C., trained in the Oregon National Guard near Portland International Airport during the same time as former Portland Police Chief Charles Moose served at the airport with the Air National Guard.

Muhammad was known as John Williams at the time of his military service in Oregon and later changed his name after converting to Islam. He did not receive any special training and was honorably discharged as a sergeant in April 1995, said Maj. Arnold Strong, a Guard spokesman.

Muhammad trained as a combat engineer at the 141st Support Battalion at PDX, studying water treatment and sheet metal construction.

The 49-year-old Moose served 24 years with the Portland Police Bureau, the last six as chief. From 1987 to 1998, he also served as a major in the Oregon Air National Guard base, which is located about a mile from the Oregon National Guard base. He was hired in August 1999 as police chief in Montgomery County, Md.

“There is a very slim chance that these guys ever even saw each other,” Strong said. “Be that as it may, it would be safe to assume that they were in different departments of the Oregon National Guard simultaneously.’’

Staff Sgt. Leisha Leyson of the Guard’s 41st Brigade trained with Muhammad at the 141st Battalion, or Bravo Company. She remembers him as a serious, “military-minded” loner who proved himself an “exceptional shot” with an M-16.

“He didn’t have a lot of friends in the unit, and he wasn’t there very long,” Leyson said.

Muhammad, 41, was arrested Thursday morning at a rest stop near Frederick, Md. Also arrested was John Lee Malvo, 17.

Law enforcement officials were expected to charge Muhammad and Malvo with the attacks that killed 10 people.

Moose has led the task force investigation of the sniper deaths since five people were killed in his district Oct. 2 and 3. The 10th killing on Tuesday also took place in his district.

Muhammad was stationed at the Fort Lewis Army base south of Tacoma before joining the Oregon National Guard. His service lasted from 1985 to 1994. He appears to have served with the Oregon Guard without ever residing in Oregon.

A public records search showed an address for Muhammad in Lakewood, Wash., in May 1994 and another in Tacoma in June 1994.

Preliminary news reports described Muhammad as a fit, former soldier, 6-foot-1 and 185 pounds, who fought in the Persian Gulf War and was stationed at Fort Lewis during the 1980s. He has been married and divorced twice and has four children. He grew up in Louisiana and attended high school in New Orleans.

He officially changed his name from John Williams to John Muhammad in April 2001.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Oregon; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: mooseinguard; muhammad
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What was that about "a duck in a noose ....?"
1 posted on 10/25/2002 1:42:18 PM PDT by ex-Texan
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To: ex-Texan
It's about a two hour drive from Tacoma to the Oregon border. Why would this Islamic terrorist join the Oregon National Guard instead of the Washington one?
2 posted on 10/25/2002 1:49:22 PM PDT by per loin
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To: ex-Texan; Archie Bunker on steroids
Tex, thanks for finding this.

Archie, a little note on your old Guard Buddy, the Moose!
3 posted on 10/25/2002 1:49:58 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: ex-Texan; Archie Bunker on steroids
Tex, thanks for finding this.

Archie, a little note on your old Guard Buddy, the Moose!
4 posted on 10/25/2002 1:50:30 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Shermy; Sabertooth; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Clovis_Skeptic; ladyinred; Squantos; Travis McGee; ...
There is probably no links here, but this is interesting.

How come we hadn't heard about the Oregon link with the Nation of Islam Sniper, John Muhammed?

Don't you have to be a resident of a state before you can be a member of its national guard?
5 posted on 10/25/2002 1:53:33 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: ex-Texan
"He did not receive any special training and was honorably discharged as a sergeant in April 1995"

What? They changed it? I thought he got out either Admin or "Other-Than-Honorable".

6 posted on 10/25/2002 1:58:55 PM PDT by RandallFlagg
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To: ex-Texan
I don't think that Muhammed ever served in the Oregon Guard. He did, however, serve in the Louisiana Guard prior to his regular army service.
7 posted on 10/25/2002 2:02:20 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: Grampa Dave
Related links...

JOHN ALLEN MUHAMMAD:
How decorated Gulf War veteran became subject of manhunt

LEE BOYD MALVO:
Mother tried to break son from grip of influential mentor (DC Sniper Youth)




8 posted on 10/25/2002 2:07:17 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: ex-Texan
I wonder if Muhammed picked Montgomery County because he knew Moose was the Police Chief?
9 posted on 10/25/2002 2:27:24 PM PDT by F-117A
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To: Grampa Dave
Oregonians have no idea of what's happening in their state. What happens when they vote free medical to all? Please pass this. This can be the greatest show of shows on how fast you can take a state to total BK.
10 posted on 10/25/2002 2:30:15 PM PDT by Digger
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To: Grampa Dave
Ah. Another link. You folks need to look at what was posted a while back:

Moosestuff

11 posted on 10/25/2002 2:36:07 PM PDT by Cachelot
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To: ex-Texan
I thought it was a "duck and a goose"
12 posted on 10/25/2002 2:41:47 PM PDT by exnavy
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To: Digger
Oregon is bankrupt now. If the mediots in that state were on top of it, they would be pointing out the pension problem and other economic realities.

One of my sons is a lost conservative in Portland, he can't believe his friends who are all for the free health insurance scam when the state has teetered over the edge of bankruptcy the last year.
13 posted on 10/25/2002 2:45:39 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: dixiechick2000; Archie Bunker on steroids; B Knotts; SAMWolf
This is scary: Muhammad trained as a combat engineer at the 141st Support Battalion at PDX, studying water treatment.

Just what you want. An Islamakazi from the Nation of Islam studying water treatment. Hell he could kill entire cities with that knowledge.

14 posted on 10/25/2002 2:48:30 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Why am I not surprised? In almost every case we've trained these people.
15 posted on 10/25/2002 5:59:38 PM PDT by SAMWolf
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To: RandallFlagg
It was posted on another thread that he was thrown out of the military because he threw a live grenade into a tent containing fellow soldiers. Don't think they award "honorable" discharges for that kind of activity.
16 posted on 10/25/2002 6:20:31 PM PDT by Let's Roll
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To: Grampa Dave
"studying water treatment"....I thought that was really "He drove a water truck"?
17 posted on 10/25/2002 6:28:06 PM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: ex-Texan
Majors don't talk to staff sergants.
18 posted on 10/25/2002 6:35:57 PM PDT by Man of the Right
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To: ex-Texan
He officially changed his name from John Williams to John Muhammad in April 2001.

Notice although John Williams Mohammad practiced his muslim religion for some years, he did not change his name until last year when he was suppose to be out of the country in Antiqua.

19 posted on 10/25/2002 9:10:28 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: per loin
It's about a two hour drive from Tacoma to the Oregon border Why would this Islamic terrorist join the Oregon National Guard instead of the Washington one?

Ar you sure it's only two hours? Seemed longer than that one Christmans time when I found myslef in SeaTac due to Portland being fogged in, of course that was on a Bus with poorly functioning heaters and in the middle of the ngiht.

Possibly because of openning available in the one, but not the other. It's not always easy to get a guard slot, they may not have the training $ and/or slots to train someone into a new career field and may not have an opening in the person's previous field. This is especially true with someone with more than a single active duty enlistment, or no enlistment at all, IOW, an experienced person with some "rank".

Or maybe he didn't live in Washington state at that time? Joining a Guard unit not in one's state of residence isn't unheard of. I did it myself, after grad school and a stint in the Reserve, which in turn was after my active duty service.

20 posted on 10/25/2002 9:12:36 PM PDT by El Gato
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