Beltway Sniper Shootings-FR Commentary-Thurs., Oct. 24,2002

You got nailed sucka!

Anything North of the Mason Dixon line is New England in Alabama?

We residents of the Old Dominion must continually remind our neighbors to the south that they wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Virginia...

Montgomery County is not the South, but it ain't New England...

Glenn Beck is now talking about the Indian story about the duck and the rabbit.

They were firemen.... taking down the stump.

Not exactly a shooting range. A gravel pit. And the pit is located just across the river from Portland and about 15 miles east...near Washougal.

what channel would that be on?

Yeah - the baby threw up all over me Sunday, and I've been going downhill since

LOL .. aren't they so darn cute

And I can relate .. I have had mine is Saturday .. I HATE COLDS!!

Heck Corin.... I am in Washington State... You are all in the South to me!

See today's Seattle Times - on FR for more info on these two. Seattle Times will probably be pulling the story anytime.

Where? Do you have a link to that thread handy?

See my response #725

Listening to him live on the net. Don't know what local station in your area carries Glenn. IF you haven't listened to him, you should. He is great.

Did a quick search using Jamaican/Islam. Found this interesting article. Just FYI...

Calls for killing of Jews and Infidels, Police fail to act against cleric.

The Times, Monday, February 04, 2002

Britain's sheikh of race hate

by Dominic Kennedy

A muslim sheikh has been touring Britain urging followers to kill Jews and exhorting schoolboys to master the Kalashnikov. Yet no official action has been taken to stop him.

The blood-curdling messages of Abdullah el-Faisal, a 38-year-old Jamaican living in East London, are being sold openly on £2 audio cassettes in Islamic bookshops under the name Shaikh Faisal.

Since September 11, he has issued two new tapes instructing all Muslim males to train for battle and promising 72 virgins in paradise for those who die in holy war. His lecture tour has taken him to Manchester, Birmingham, Coventry, Maidenhead and London, and he has attracted a nationwide following of blacks, whites, Asians and Arabs.

Now Jewish and anti-fascist organisations are calling for him to be prosecuted for incitement to racial hatred. And critics say that his activities in stirring Muslims to terrorism are a standing indictment of the authorities' failure to deal with threats of violence in Britain since September 11.

Britain's failure to act against Shaikh Faisal and other extreme Muslim religious leaders was condemned last night by the Labour MP Andrew Dismore, who said: "It undermines confidence if they are not dealt with. There is plenty of evidence against them."

Mr Dismore said there was evidence linking Abu Hamza al-Masri of Finsbury Park mosque in north London and Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad of al-Muhajiroun to international extremist and terrorist groups.

He also complained about the disappearance of Abu Qatada, a radical London cleric, last seen with his wife and children getting into a people carrier just as the Anti-Terrorist Act came into effect.

Shaikh Faisal's Jamaican passport is being held by the Home, Office which is studying his request for permission to stay in Britain with his four children and pregnant British wife, who is believed to be of Pakistani origin. He denies knowing any of the young Britons suspected of fighting with al-Qaeda and says he has had no harassment from police since September 11. He says he is not linked to any organisation or mosque, but is involved with the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jammah movement, which promotes studying the Koran. "We do not in any way promote terrorism and we do not command people to carry out terrorist acts," he says.

A copy of Shaikh Faisal's most extreme tape, No Peace with the Jews, was acquired by a researcher for a security organisation at the "Islam in the Park" event in Luton last July. On it, he lists 19 reasons why Muslims cannot have peace with the "filthy Jews", such as "they are evil to the core" and "deceitful by nature".

The audience laughs as he says: "How did the Jews get back at Hitler? They sent him back the gas bill."

The tape ends with a question-and-answer session. Asked: "Should we hate Jews and when we see them on the street, should we beat them up?", Shaikh Faisal replies: "You have no choice but to hate them. How do you fight the Jews? You kill the Jews."

That message is much more extreme than that of Louis Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam leader and black separatist, whose 15-year ban on entering Britain was recently lifted.

Mike Whine, of the Community Security Trust, which co-ordinates the defence of Jewish communities, said: "Somebody like that who is inciting hatred is in breach of the law and is a danger."

Tony Robson of Searchlight, the anti-fascist research organisation, said: "There is so much of this stuff floating around and nobody is getting done for it. For it to be so publicly available is a disgrace."

In response to September 11, Shaikh Faisal issued two new cassettes. History Repeats Itself comes in a box with a picture of the World Trade Centre in flames. Shaikh Faisal claims that the Americans bombed the twin towers in 1993 to claim the insurance, then wrongly imprisoned Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, a blind Muslim cleric.

"Allah said 'If you declare war on a servant of mine, I, Allah, declare war on you'," Shaikh Faisal says. "The same building they falsely accused him of bombing: look what happened to that building, those twin towers!" In another post-September 11 tape, Jihad, he tells an audience of British schoolboys: "All of you sitting down in front of me are soldiers. Is it sensible for you to be a soldier and you don't know how to shoot a Kalashnikov? Therefore jihad training is compulsory for all of you."

He reassures his audience that those dying in a holy war feel no pain. "Even if a rocket launcher was used against you, cruise missile, the pain you feel is just like that of the mosquito bite. The way forward is never the ballot. The way forward is the bullet."

Unlike most Muslim preachers, Shaikh Faisal is a native English-speaker and can enliven his fire-and-brimstone rhetoric with streetwise colloquialisms like "brain dead" and "dodgy". He was born William Forest to a Salvation Army family in Jamaica, but was influenced in his youth by a Muslim teacher and learnt about the religion from Saudi visitors at a religious camp.

He studied religion for eight years in Saudi Arabia, became the first Afro-Caribbean Muslim sheikh, and has been visiting Britain since the 1980s.

He preached at Brixton Mosque but left before the al-Qaeda suspects Zacarias Moussaoui and Richard Reid arrived.

Shaikh Faisal speaks to a group of Jamaican Muslims in Willesden, north-west London. The Times saw 30 people, mainly young Bengalis, some from as far away as Luton, to attend his regular Saturday night gathering in the Jagonari educational centre in Whitechapel.

The Jagonari centre has been assisted by the European Regional Development Fund and the London Borough of Tower Hamlets. Denise Jones, deputy leader of Tower Hamlets Council, yesterday expressed concern about the use of the building and promised to look into it.

There have been Freepers calling for war on Islam for days!

btw, it's already started.

I am under the distinct impression that Islam has declared war on us.

Thank you for reminding me! I listen to Glen every morning on my way to work, and I took today off because I can't deal with all of my co-workers that fail to understand why the news keeps me so riled :) I've got him on now. He's been a great source of info thru all this, don't you agree?

Since no one has mentioned it, I will. Fox said a few minutes ago that the creeps in Russia have shot one of their hostages. Islam is such a religion of peace.

Thanks... I have been to a lot of shooting ranges closer to Tacoma, so I was REAL curious!

I believe the range is 'bout 30 miles east of Portland just north of the Oregon border. I live 6 blocks away from their mosque and 10 from their apartment. Actually it's not a range but a sand quarry as I recall, and privately owned.

Nam Vet

Good enough... Thank You!

***Yeah - the baby threw up all over me Sunday, and I've been going downhill since. Yesterday morning, I stayed at home (computer on and FNC on the tube) and played nursemaid to myself. I'm a bit better today, but nowhere near 100%.***

Take Echinacia, Vitimin C and have plenty of fluids. The Echinacea really works, it keeps me from getting sick all the time.

We now return you to your normal thread. :)

thanks for the headsup!