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Why Men Won't Commit: Men's Atitudes About Sex, Dating and Marriage
National Marriage Project (Rutgers University) ^ | 2002 | Barbara Dafoe Whitehead and David Popenoe

Posted on 10/22/2002 11:24:51 AM PDT by shrinkermd

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To: shrinkermd
10. They want to enjoy single life as long as they can.

Running and ducking.......heheheheheh

41 posted on 10/22/2002 1:34:15 PM PDT by glasseye
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To: John Lenin
I thought you were dead.
42 posted on 10/22/2002 1:48:24 PM PDT by Endeavor
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To: shrinkermd
Category 6 describes me.

But at 37, I realize I am not going to find that soulmate. Dating in A.D. 2002 is an exercise in frustration and humiliation. From this and other like threads, I know that I'll have a lot of other singles for company in the retirement home that lays in my future.

43 posted on 10/22/2002 1:48:31 PM PDT by KoestlersRedFiat
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To: Loyalist
Don't hold your breath.
44 posted on 10/22/2002 1:51:33 PM PDT by Endeavor
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To: Endeavor
I thought you were dead.

Is that your best comeback ? You will have to do better than that.
45 posted on 10/22/2002 1:51:39 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone
Thats manure, respectfully I disagree. The problem with your theory is will and does come across as manipulation or trickery. Thankfully men have become more aware of such manuvers. You don't need to point that out, we know it already.

I had a girlfriend try that before I knew her enough. Considering the sneakiness of the stunt. (I did discuss it with her and she did admit why we were suddenly spending time with family and people with kids) Less tricker more communication. (ie he wants intimacy every day she's a once a week gal)

Men know what they want beyond just sex. Women have forgotten how to be women. Now men and women are paying the price for that ignorance.
46 posted on 10/22/2002 1:52:36 PM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: shrinkermd; dd5339; cavtrooper21
Thank God that not ALL men in this country are as vapid as these 60 examples!
47 posted on 10/22/2002 1:56:48 PM PDT by Vic3O3
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To: Vic3O3
Thank God that not ALL men in this country are as vapid as these 60 examples!

Thats why half my friends are divorced and miserable about paying alimony and not being able to see their kids. Most of them remind me how lucky I am that I can come and go as I please, date who I want and not get the bill every month. I didn't make the rules, I just play them to my advantage.
48 posted on 10/22/2002 2:00:11 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: shrinkermd
Marriage will eventually be the refuge of those who can't get sex any other way.


BUMP

49 posted on 10/22/2002 2:10:08 PM PDT by tm22721
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To: shrinkermd
Why this man won't commit is simple,THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS LOVE!
50 posted on 10/22/2002 2:11:39 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: home educate
I don't even know where to start on this. I could, and have, written hundreds of pages on it. This: --------------------------

Moreover, the sexual revolution and the trend toward cohabitation offer them some of the benefits of marriage without its obligations.

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Encodes an attitude human relationships and an shallowness. There is an emphasis on sexual satisfaction here. A developed relationships between a man and woman is more than that. It also helps if you really like each other and are close companions. That is what I see going down the drain in contemporary patterns.

There are also things you don't get from another person in less than a permanant committed relationship that provides confidence in the nature of a relationship. Living together doesn't provide that confidence. It is underwritten by an unspoken sense of temporarity or condition.

51 posted on 10/22/2002 2:29:28 PM PDT by RLK
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To: longtermmemmory
In all of this, I see a definite lack of trust on both sides. A lack with good reason.

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What reason is there for two people who have been engaging in turnstyle relationships and sex lives to suddenly trust each other. Whether one is that way from the begiining, or is forced to develop it, a serious degree of superficiality and callousness is integral to that pattern. That isn't anything I would personally want to marry.

52 posted on 10/22/2002 2:34:32 PM PDT by RLK
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To: tm22721
Right NOW, Marriage is only for those who want to have children.

as for marriage and sex:

Marriage will be for those who can not get enough sex with each other and do not want to have sex with anyone else.

of course I have a friend who found the solution to his soulmate woes. He mail ordered a bride from abroad. After going there to meet her, they found they were compatable and they married. Its been six years. First kid is on the way.

As for those women who would criticise men who do not want to marry the "modern" woman, are you threatened by men who know what they want and that does not include you?
53 posted on 10/22/2002 2:45:28 PM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: RLK
"What reason is there for two people who have been engaging in turnstyle relationships and sex lives to suddenly trust each other. Whether one is that way from the begiining, or is forced to develop it, a serious degree of superficiality and callousness is integral to that pattern. That isn't anything I would personally want to marry. "

Thats a great way to put the situation. Since society has reduce marriage to a more complicated form of the turnstyle sex relationship why have it. Pehaps men and women need to get back into the idea of good sex does occur in marriage. Serious sex for a serious relationship?

ok seriously, you put it very well.
54 posted on 10/22/2002 2:54:16 PM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: laurav
"I'm a little confused about the fun, exciting bachelor life these researchers refer to. Many of my single male friends find that most evenings they're cozying up to the TV with a can of tuna for dinner and a bottle of Jack Daniels to wash it down."

Agreed. Speaking as a divorced male, single for some time now, the "Great Single Life" is definitely not My preference. Most evenings are spent in front of the computer teaching Myself more and more things, and a can of Chunky Soup or a TV dinner with some cheap beer to wash it down with.

Perhaps some observatios are in order here. One being that the article is entirely correct that the ease of divorce is a very serious impediment to the intent of marriage in this day and age -and moreso if children are involved. I can name you friend after friend that has literally lost it all because there was a major row and the woman did not even consider patching things up to make the relationship work out. Indeed, why should she? Most times she first drained the bank accounts and maxed out the credit cards, then used the system to get half of everything and alienate the children. Why shouldn't men be unwilling to take that kind of risk?

Also remember the truism: "Men marry women for who they are. Women marry men for what they CAN be". I have had many women admit this to Me over the years. Take it from Me: men do not WANT to be changed, and we want to live with the woman we fell in love with, not the one who enjoys attempting to manipulate us while at the same time expecting us to support their every changing need and moods.

I also agree with the opinion expressed above that most men do not want to have to raise some other male's children, both because of the immediate financial demands, and because you are essentially supporting someone's indescretions -and mistakes. Not to mention the difficulty of allowing for some strange male to constantly generate tension in the relationship.

Another amusing observation I have made over the years is that according to the woman, her 'ex-' is ALWAYS a "Jerk". Some of My friends are ex-'s. Some, granted, are indeed Jerks. Most, however, are merely trying to deal with life as best they can, and to reconcile themselves to the fact that women are not interested in making the relationship work -especially when all the advice groups and women's forums continually insist that "If he starts becoming angry, just LEAVE". Most miss their partners immensely, and wish there was some way to reconcile.

Amazingly enough, however, ALL the women insist that they could not possibly get back together with 'him' -or... perhaps -"but first he has to change".

My question is; why is it always the male who has to change?

55 posted on 10/22/2002 3:19:54 PM PDT by Utilizer
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To: shrinkermd; Happygal
God, talk about the death of romance. Whatever happened to finding one true love? I am pleased to say, it does happen.

Regards, Ivan

56 posted on 10/22/2002 3:22:01 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: longtermmemmory
"Thats manure, respectfully I disagree. The problem with your theory is will and does come across as manipulation or trickery."

Agree with you in part. I had someone do something like this to Me. She has three children, who are really great, and wanted (well, still wants) more from Me than I was willing to give -namely a relationship. I can't help it, I like children -mostly-, and hers are great. I simply am not interested in a relationship with her for obvious reasons. She always mentioned family outings, including nieces and nephews, and picnics and whatnots in order to try to get Me to spend more time with them (her).

57 posted on 10/22/2002 3:29:25 PM PDT by Utilizer
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To: Enemy Of The State
Because we dont want to give away half of our stuff

Half if you're lucky. Sometimes all.

58 posted on 10/22/2002 3:32:02 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: MadIvan
"God, talk about the death of romance. Whatever happened to finding one true love? I am pleased to say, it does happen."

Greetings, Mate! Good to know you're still 'angin' about!

I found a true love many years ago. She passed away and I was devastated. Now, I would like to find a decent woman to love and marry, but am in no hurry. I am not impressed with the calibre of most of the women I meet, unfortunatwly.

It is actually somewhat amusing at this point. I mean, I was your stereotypical ugly duckling when I was young, but age has changed Me to the point where I am often asked if I will do some modeling (not attempting to sound vain here, merely expressing a point). Even when I was young I was more interested in marriage than a one-night stand, and moreso these days. Now all the women who would not even give Me a second glance those days are quite interested, and I have to shake My head at their antics. Too, I knew some of the blokes they were involved with (the ones I know from back then), and I must say I was not impressed with their choices.

Now they have several children, have let themselves go downhill, and have gone through several other partners since then. That, or I still recall their Feminist rantings when they were younger. Pardon My reluctance, but I believe I have reason to doubt their decision-making abilities at this point.

59 posted on 10/22/2002 3:41:37 PM PDT by Utilizer
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To: shrinkermd
Why Men Won't Commit?

Blue Zone women are condescending and mean. I'm beginning to think any woman (or man) who grew up watching American televison has absorbed too many poisonous values to make acceptable marriage material.

60 posted on 10/22/2002 3:49:11 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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