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Posted on 10/21/2002 9:45:25 AM PDT by Truant Mom
Christian Homeschooling Mom Taken Away In Shackles!
by Cindy Wade
Source: The Curmudgeon: A Vermont Newsletter (reprint permission is hereby granted by the publisher to any and all other news agencies and their readers or viewers)
October 17, 2002
On Wednesday, October 16, Patricia L. O'Dell, 34, of S. Newfane, was arrested at 3:05 pm at the Bennington District Court in Bennington, Vermont for contempt of court. Mrs. O'Dell had been cited into court yesterday morning for refusing to submit to fingerprinting and a photograph for police files.
Mrs. O'Dell was ordered to submit to this procedure on October 7 at another arraignment hearing for 'custodial interference' and 'impeding an officer' as part of her release conditions. That condition involved Mrs. O'Dell going to the Bennington police station within 5 days of her release. On the following Friday, October 11, four days later, Mrs. O'Dell contacted U.S. Attorney Brian Marthage in Bennington through an advocate to inform him she wished to turn herself in because she was still refusing to have the prints and photos taken. Marthage informed the advocate that the courts are closed over the weekend and according to his calculations the fifth day would be Monday, October 14. Mrs. O'Dell waited the weekend and all day Monday until 5 pm. On the morning of October 15 she arrived at the police station to turn herself in and still refused to submit to the fingerprinting and photograph. She was promptly given a citation to appear in District Court the following morning at 11:30 am.
Mrs. O'Dell arrived at District Court at 11:30 am and was told her case had been moved to 12:30 pm. Mrs. O'Dell was finally called into the court room at approximately 2:30 pm where she represented herself and entered a plea of 'not guilty' to the charge. When questioned by Judge Howard about her refusal to submit to being photographed and fingerprinted Mrs. O'Dell informed him she believes a person is innocent until proven guilty and the procedure violates her rights. After hearing testimony from the prosecutor who expressed his concern for Mrs. O'Dell's ongoing contempt and that she basically "holds the keys to her own jail cell", Judge David Howard ordered a 'show cause' hearing be scheduled for the following week. Mrs. O'Dell was then released and presented with the conditions which she was expected to sign. Upon reading the conditions Mrs. O'Dell found difficulty in agreeing with the requirement that she abide by Family Court orders. One such order is that she turn over her 15 year old homeschooling son to state custody. Mrs. O'Dell refuses to do that because she feels strongly that it would compromise her religious beliefs and her son's Christian education. She also fears he would be subjected to abuse in the hands of SRS (Social Rehabilitative Services).
Upon Mrs. O'Dell's final refusal and a warning from the deputy sheriff that she would be taken into custody if she did not sign, she was quickly escorted from the court lobby to a small holding room where she was searched and relieved of her wrist watch and wedding band. She was place in hand cuffs attached to a leather belt around her waist and her ankles were secured with cuffs and a length of metal chain. These were placed on her to prepare her for transport by the Bennington County Sheriff's department to the Chittenden Regional Corrections Facility at 7 Farrell Street in South Burlington, Vermont.
It was brought to the attention of the attending sheriffs that they needed to take special care with Mrs. O'Dell's right wrist and hand which were wrapped in a support bandage. Mrs. O'Dell says this injury was a result of state trooper Jesse Robson's actions on Friday, September 13 when he tackled Mrs. O'Dell to the ground at the home of Mrs. Pat Stewart on Rocky Lane. Mrs. Stewart is Mrs. O'Dell's mother. Robson allegedly then placed his knee in Mrs. O'Dell's back and cuffed her hands behind her back. Officer Robson then tightened his grip on her arm while twisting it in an attempt to prevent her from shouting to her family members to not let the other officers into her mother's home without a search warrant, according to Mrs. O'Dell. Robson was there that day with several other officers to take Mrs. O'Dell's four children into state custody for what he describes in his affidavit as "The basis for the children being taken into custody was educational neglect."
Mrs. O'Dell also accused Officer Robson of pulling her by the hair and squeezing her face with his hand at the time of this incident. When Mrs. O'Dell was taken into custody she claims she was never read her Miranda rights although Robson questioned her extensively and alone in the cruiser and at the Shaftsbury barracks. She says she also suspects the reason why she was not photographed when she was first arrested was because Robson left marks on her face and those marks would have shown up in the photograph. Robson was unable to take Mrs. O'Dell's fingerprints because she was suffering pain from Robson's alleged abuse that caused injury to her right hand and wrist.
Mrs. O'Dell sought medical treatment at the Southwestern Vermont Medical Center at around 12:20 am once SRS took possession of her three daughter and she was released from custody. Her arm was wrapped and placed in a sling by attending physician Dr. G. Pellerin. According to the medical report Mrs. O'Dell had a hand injury, sprained wrist and contusions. On Saturday, October 14 a highly visible thumb size contusion could be seen on Mrs. O'Dell's upper inside left arm where she alleges Robson grabbed her. The marks on her face were no longer noticeable.
Besides the alleged abuse by Officer Robson there is a huge discrepancy in the times of the arrival of the police officers and the time the search warrant was signed. According to Officer Robson and Sergeant Lloyd N. Dean, another state police officer at the scene, they arrived at approximately 4:15 or 4:39 pm. The search warrant was not signed by Judge Howard until 6:35 pm. This would show the officers entered onto the Stewart property without the proper warrant. According to Mrs. O'Dell's family members the officers were told more than once they needed a search warrant to enter the property. It was decided by Dean that he would leave to obtain the search warrant. Family members also say the back door to the kitchen was kicked in by two officers just prior to anyone actually being handed the search warrant. The search warrant specifically says "This warrant may (not) be executed without knocking and announcing the presence of law enforcement officers and their purpose." Neither the word 'may' or 'not' were either circled, underlined or crossed out. The requirement for the serving officer to knock and announce is a federal law.
Prior to Dean obtaining the search warrant O'Dell's youngest daughter, Elizabeth, age 8, was chased screaming through the wooded lot near the Stewart home for some distance before she "just disappeared", as her mother stated. This was of great concern to both Mr. and Mrs. O'Dell because just that morning Mr. O'Dell had been squirrel hunting in that same wooded area and he warned his wife to not let the children play in them for fear of them getting shot by hunters he saw there. Mrs. O'Dell says she was terrified for her daughter's safety because the five police officers who were chasing her were showing little, if any, regard for the hunting taking place in those woods.
O'Dell Family Find Themselves Homeless
The O'Dell family has been living in their car, in motels and have camped out in warmer weather since they lost their West Haven, Vermont home to a fire in December 2000 just three days after Christmas. The family is not entirely homeless though. With the insurance money from their destroyed home they purchased a one acre lot located on Hunter Brook Road in South Newfane in the fall of 2001. They also purchased a second hand mobile home from a woman in Shaftsbury to place onto their new lot. This mobile home was well kept and within the O'Dell's budget. The previous owner was happy to have the mobile home taken off her hands because she needed it removed in order to replace it with her new one.
Patricia found a company in New Hampshire willing to transport the mobile home to S. Newfane for a fee of $950.00 but the company had difficulty getting the home onto the lot. The mobile home continues to sit at the end of the O'Dell's driveway where it was left in the late fall of 2001. Plans are underway to connect the mobile home with the property by a group of concerned citizens who have taken the initiative to get the project done at no cost to the O'Dell family. The goal is to get the mobile home installed by Thanksgiving so the O'Dell's will once again be able to live in comfort and together as a family.
The O'Dell family purchased their S. Newfane lot as is meaning they had to remove the dilapidated mobile home and addition that was already on the property. These structures had been empty for several years and had been vandalized. There was also an abandoned car on the lot that needed to be hauled away. The O'Dell family went to work and dismantled both structures leaving huge piles of materials they intended to recycle into small structures for their pets and livestock. Mrs. O'Dell's goat would provide her with fresh milk since she was unable to tolerate cow's milk and the family would have fresh eggs and meat from their flock of chickens.
Unfortunately, a few members of the S. Newfane community decided to intervene in the O'Dell's plans and progress. According to a Newfane selectboard meeting on January 1, 2002, line 7B, item #4 a "motion was made by R. Marek and seconded by F. Bacon to have the Town Constable and the Windham County Sheriff's Department work together to file the necessary paper work to bring charges of cruelty and abuse against Patricia O'Dell and to have the animals removed from Ms. O'Dell's control. Unanimous. The Windham County Humane Society has home for all of the animals; dogs, cats, chickens and a goat."
While the O'Dell's were working to prepare there property and establish their new home they were living temporarily in a homeless shelter in Bennington. They traveled the distance of 38 miles each day to there secluded wooded lot located on a dirt road to feed and care for their animals they had built temporary shelter for. Since they were not allowed to have pets or livestock at the shelter they felt it best the animals remain on their new land. Apparently town officials were entering the O'Dell property without authority or permission to do so according to Mrs. O'Dell. At some point those authorities, without a search warrant and without warning simply removed the O'Dell's animals from their property when the O'Dell's were away.
According to another Newfane selectboard meeting on February, 7, 2002, line 7B, item #2 "R. Marek questioned what may happen if the amount due to the Windham County Humane Society if the alleged owner of the animals, Patricia O'Dell, does not pay for the housing and other services provided by the WCHS. Suggestions were made but no conclusions were reached at this time." According to Mrs. O'Dell her animals were never abused or neglected and the town had no right to enter her property illegally and seize her animals. She has since acquired the paperwork from federal court and plans to file a 'Notice of Claim' against the Newfane Town Selectboard, the Town Constable, the Windham County Sheriff's Department and the Windham County Humane Society for $10,000,000.00 and she fully intends to send the town a bill for the value of her animals.
A work crew will arrive at the O'Dell property in S. Newfane on Saturday, October 19 at 8:00 am to remove the unwanted materials and metal framing from the old mobile home. The old car will also be towed away along with remnants of the dismantled addition. Once this is done the new mobile home can be pulled up to the lot and set into place. The plumbing, water and electric will eventually be reestablished. This work is being done by volunteers from Vermont, New York, New Hampshire and Massachusetts who will donate their time, money and materials for the project at no cost to the O'Dell family. These volunteers include former homeless people, home educators, politicians, ministers, off-duty police officers, mothers, fathers, teenagers, youngsters, contractors, veterans and others. According to one of the organizers the work crew is not a formal organization but are a group of caring, concerned citizens who have seen the need to assist a family that is struggling to stay together and improve themselves. They welcome anyone who wishes to join them in this effort by simply showing up at the property this coming Saturday. They also want the media to know they are welcome as well.
DOE Prevents Christian Home Education
According to first hand accounts SRS is using the O'Dell's homeless situation as an excuse to keep the children in their custody. SRS is also acting on an order from the Vermont Department of Education for a charge of 'educational neglect' stemming from a Home Study Hearing held November 20, 2001 for Patricia O'Dell. According to written documentation surrounding this hearing Mrs. O'Dell established her right as a Christian home educator to homeschool her children without state or local interference and that she was providing her children with more than a minimum course of study as required by state regulations. According to documentation several state witnesses accused Mrs. O'Dell of having 'standards' and expectations that were too high for her children.
When Mrs. O'Dell first began to homeschool her children she received what some might call 'approval' from the Vermont Department of Education's Home Study Consultant Natalie Casco. According to law, however, 'approval' is not needed to homeschool in Vermont, nor are there any qualifications necessary to homeschool your children. Mrs. O'Dell is a homemaker and has a high school diploma from Mt. Anthony Union High School in Bennington. Mr. O'Dell dropped out of school in the eleventh grade and is on disability for a physical problem. A parent wishing to homeschool their child need only send in an 'enrollment notification' along with a course of study covering the six basic topics and proof of screening showing the child has no impairments. A child is automatically enrolled at that time but the state can call a hearing to determine whether or not the application is complete. The key word here is 'notification'.
The state statute also reads "a person having the control of a child between the ages of six and sixteen shall cause the child to attend an approved public school, an approved recognized independent school or a home study program for the full number of days for which that school is held...." The key word here appears to be 'a' home study program, not the VT DOE's home study program. Mrs. O'Dell states that her children attend their homeschool 365 days a year. They have never been tardy or absent, since they can homeschool anywhere, anytime, even when they are with relatives or friends. In public school her children were accused by staff members as having behavior problems. In their homeschool Mrs. O'Dell says the behavior of her children is not a problem for her.
Mrs. O'Dell's children appear to be happy, healthy, normal, rambunctious children who enjoy their freedom to choose what they like to learn and learn best in the loving, secure, Christian environment that Mrs. O'Dell provides for them. They use few workbooks and almost no text books. The use reading books including classic stories and do many hands-on learning which Mrs. O'Dell says works best for all her children. Mrs. O'Dell finds little need for testing because she can see their day to day progress since she lives with them. When the need arises to concentrate more on a subject or area of interest Mrs. O'Dell takes the time to do that and will give that particular child more attention than the others. The children learn from each other as well, helping each other with reading, math or chores.
When Mrs. O'Dell feels the need for support or assistance she calls on several others in her homeschooling community for help. Because of the lack of funding and their homelessness that community has come forward and established a fund for the O'Dell children at A Teacher's Closet in downtown Rutland, a teaching/learning material supply store. The O'Dell children were all provided with book bags filled with materials, supplies and books that can be used anywhere they may be including in the car, at a campsite or in a motel. Mrs. O'Dell says that due to the lack of education on the part of the public school system she has had to do much remedial work with her three older children. Her youngest had never been to public school until SRS intervened by taking the children. SRS with the VT DOE's blessings have place Mrs. O'Dell's three youngest children into public school against her wishes. Her oldest son, Andrew, is presently not in the physical custody of SRS.
Since the taking the children by SRS from Mrs. O'Dell's custody on September 13 she has discovered her three daughters have been subjected to blood tests, physical examinations, x-rays, psychological testing, and counseling, all against their will and hers. Both she and the girls have been denied their right to freely exercise their religion and SRS is withholding the affections of Mrs. O'Dell from her daughters as a tool to get the children to cooperate with them. Mrs. O'Dell was only allowed two one-hour supervised visits with her daughters each week until her arrest yesterday. Now her children will not be able to see her at all while she sits and waits in the S. Burlington prison.
Mrs. O'Dell says the first year Natalie Casco 'approved' her homeschooling they made her agree to keep two of her children in special education classes at the local school. However, Mrs. O'Dell found this burdensome and her children were being abused and bullied whenever they were on school property, sometimes even by the teachers in charge of their care and well-being. At other times the teachers themselves would actually do the work for the O'Dell children just to show they were making progress under their tutelage.
The second year Mrs. O'Dell homeschooled she chose to withdraw her children from special education classes, which is her prerogative according to the VT Supreme Court ruling in the Karen Maple case (May 2000). After much research and discussion with other homeschoolers Mrs. O'Dell also sights the 1920's Education Trilogy (Meyer v. Nebraska, Pierce v. Society of Sisters, Farrington v. Tokushige as well as Wisconsin v. Yoder in 1972) as supporting her constitutional right to homeschool and to provide a Christian education for her children. Things were fine in her W. Haven home and the local school didn't really bother her until her home burned to the ground just after Christmas. Within two months of the fire and with no place to live the Fair Haven Elementary School principal, Gloria Moulton, began pursuing the O'Dell family with the threat of SRS intervention. According to Mrs. O'Dell the harassment and persecution continues to this day. Mrs. O'Dell's present incarceration for pursuing a Christian home education for her four children appears to attest to that fact.
Ouch. The hysterics really abandoned those two "martyrs."
Jeez, the sui juris idiots sure know how to pick 'em, don't they?
Custodial interference = interfering with the state's attempt to abduct your children.
You rewrite the laws so that the government can be the enemy, how totally Spiffish of you.
On the other hand, you and your comrades rewrite the Constitution so that government jackboots can commit whatever abuses they want. How totally statist of you.
You seem to misunderstand everything anyone says. I'm not defending O'Dell - I'm only pointing out where you might be wrong and where the state should not have power. When I said that "custodial interference = interfering with the state's attempts to abduct your children", I was pointing out to you that the charge of custodial interference against O'Dell may only amount to only that. Because that is all it is in many cases.
You pulled this same crap in the Christine threads. When anyone pointed out that people were innocent until proven guilty or disagreed with certain powers the state has assumed you immediately tarred them with aiding and abetting people who beat and starve their children while living in a school bus. You are the king of hyperbole and smear.
Are you saying that this is not your picture and that these are not your dummies?
Because, my research tells me that it is you.
Actually you and others tried to maintain the Christines' innocence even after they were convicted in the Douglas County felonies and pled guilty to the Josephine County child abuse felony of 'withholding food' from their children.
Whatever you say, Al.
How are things down at the Environmental Protection Agency, Al?
Funny thing is, the Chicago-area citizen in the picture shares your name and approximate age. Hmmmm... Could it be you've been making up a few things around here?
No - we rightfully pointed out that often innocent people are charged with child abuse are misled by their attorney to plea bargain because as long as they're being steamrolled, they might want to try for the lighter steamroller. I advise that no one plea bargain or plead guilty to a lesser charge if they are, in fact, innocent. Most lawyers disagree - especially public defenders.
The Christines may or may not be guilty. I remain unconvinced either way - I think they got railroaded by the state and picked a bad attorney (Steele). I'm glad that their children ended up with relatives and are safe from the parents who might have abused them and the state foster care system where abuse runs rampant.
That's not true, people are presumed innocent and subject to bail and other release conditions or actually held in jail. That is alot different than actually being innocent. Ample evidence has been presented to warrant a trial within the alotted time or the defendant has waived time to avoid a speedy trial.
Unless you are on the jury it is not illegal or unreasonable to form an opinion on the case based on the evidence being presented to the public by both parties. My opinion on the Christine case was shaped mainly by the insane crap put out on the internet by the Christine camp. As it turns out the Christines were lying about every piece of evidence that they mentioned. Such as: Lydia's skull fracture (xrays proved it was there), all the girl's low weights (15, 21, and 24 pounds confirmed), withholding food for discipline (they ended up pleading guilty to this one), additional wound to Lydia's forehead (In court, Brian said he hit her because she was being defiant, the wound festered and became infected because of the negligent parenting of the Christines), presence of a gun at the robbery (confirmed at trial), they said that the CPS was going to adopt out the kids separately for big bucks while knowing full well that the grandparents had been contacted to adopt them all(confirmed at trial), and the list could go on.
I tarred those spewing the Christine line because they were lying and it was obvious.
You have no clue what you are talking about. SRS 'TOOK' custody of these children (no search warrant, no Miranda rights read, no due process, no regard for U.S. and VT Sumpreme Court rulings, no regard for U.S. and Vermont Constitutions!!!!!!!) BECAUSE the parents decided to homeschool them and KEEP on homeschooling them in spite of the public school failing to teach them anything after having them in their clutches for more than 5 or 6 years!!! If you don't know what you are talking about I suggest you find out the facts or simply shut up!
"Cindy Wade tried to play this as a Christian Homeschooling issue, it is not."
IT IS, pure and simple! People like you have constantly mocked and ridiculed the O'Dells for their religious beliefs. The state of Vermont has denied them their free exercise of their religion and beliefs. You are either so stupid that you believe all the lies you are pushing or you are a vicious person who is deliberately pushing the lies to further your cause.
"This is a custody issue or rather lack of legal custody by O'Dell."
The state of Vermont TOOK custody claiming 'educational neglect' and forced the children BACK into public school after they had enrolled in the state's home study program for 3 years (a yearly process) and were 'approved' by the state. Why, all of a sudden, is Mrs. O'Dell incapable of homeschooling? Because she shut off the cash flow to the public schools by withdrawing her children and sending the school a letter withdrawing her permission for the schools to collect Medicaid funding for her special ed children.
"Patricia O’Dell probably removed the kids from the various fathers’ care. Remember that there are three absent fathers. Mr. Veach is the father of two of the children, Mr. Cameron and Mr. Thompson fathered one child each. Ray O’Dell, Patricia O'Dell's husband, is not the father of any of the children."
LIE! LIE! LIE!!!
Mr. O'Dell is the father of the youngest. He is step-father to the 3 older children and has been for the past 10 years. He is the only kind father figure these children have ever really known. The fathers of the 3 oldest children were and are abusive. They are all worthless men who abused and beat Patricia and the children. Patricia's maiden name is Veach. She gave her maiden name to her children. If the O'Dell's were wealthy they would have gone to court to have Mr. O'Dell legally adopt the 3 oldest children a long time ago. Yes, they did marry 'after' their youngest was born but at least Mr. O'Dell stuck around and took responsibility for his actions. Meanwhile, creeps like you want to condemn him and the whole family. Real neighborly of you, let alone Christian. But hey, I see Christians are a real turn off to you. You'd probably like to see them all fed to the lions.
"This whole thing is a sham. If anybody’s rights have been violated, the fathers’ rights have been violated. The Christian Homeschool angle was used to sucker in the feeble of mind. How does it feel to be used Spiff, Eternal Vigilance and the rest?"
The REAL SHAM here is your LIES!!! This isn't stopping the many kind hearted and informed people from helping this family though. We don't need people like you and we don't want people like you involved with our work.
If anyone cares to monitor a Vermont homeschooling website and hear the nonsense being spouted there by the likes of RGSpincich and others go to
VT-homeschooling@yahoogroups.com.
You'll be amazed at the level of ignorance there, especially what is coming from some homeschoolers themselves. One in particular insists we live in a democracy, NOT A REPUBLIC!!!
Meanwhile, the O'Dell children are being abused in the foster homes. There are photos to prove it! The children ran away on Sunday, October 27 trying to seek help and managed to get away long enough to get their story out.
I hold people like RGSpincich personally responsible for the abuse these children are suffering at the hands of SRS and Vermont state officials because his constant LIES have hurt the O'Dell family more than he could ever know. Sleep well RGSpincich.
A judge orders legal custody after a series of hearings. You're telling stories again. Nothing you say is credible. You lied about about the Maple case being relevant to this one. You lied about the Vermont Supreme Court saying it's okay for homeschooling parents to disregard special education needs for their children. You come up with different sories regarding the O'Dell living arrangements. The oldest and youngest are named Veach the other two are Cameron and Thompson, you claim the youngest is fathered by O'Dell. Since "Veach" is O'Dell's maiden name, the oldest was fathered by Mr. "X"? Oh that's right more sympathy injected here. Poor Patricia was beaten by all her former sperm donors. What a crock.
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