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To: RGSpincich
You are not concerned about the Constitutional rights of Mr. Cameron, Mr. Veach or Mr. Thompson. You and others are just pimpin' for the kooks.

You seem to misunderstand everything anyone says. I'm not defending O'Dell - I'm only pointing out where you might be wrong and where the state should not have power. When I said that "custodial interference = interfering with the state's attempts to abduct your children", I was pointing out to you that the charge of custodial interference against O'Dell may only amount to only that. Because that is all it is in many cases.

You pulled this same crap in the Christine threads. When anyone pointed out that people were innocent until proven guilty or disagreed with certain powers the state has assumed you immediately tarred them with aiding and abetting people who beat and starve their children while living in a school bus. You are the king of hyperbole and smear.

469 posted on 10/28/2002 7:51:16 AM PST by Spiff
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To: Spiff
When anyone pointed out that people were innocent until proven guilty

Actually you and others tried to maintain the Christines' innocence even after they were convicted in the Douglas County felonies and pled guilty to the Josephine County child abuse felony of 'withholding food' from their children.

474 posted on 10/28/2002 8:21:29 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: Spiff
When anyone pointed out that people were innocent until proven guilty or disagreed with certain powers the state has assumed you immediately tarred them

That's not true, people are presumed innocent and subject to bail and other release conditions or actually held in jail. That is alot different than actually being innocent. Ample evidence has been presented to warrant a trial within the alotted time or the defendant has waived time to avoid a speedy trial.

Unless you are on the jury it is not illegal or unreasonable to form an opinion on the case based on the evidence being presented to the public by both parties. My opinion on the Christine case was shaped mainly by the insane crap put out on the internet by the Christine camp. As it turns out the Christines were lying about every piece of evidence that they mentioned. Such as: Lydia's skull fracture (xrays proved it was there), all the girl's low weights (15, 21, and 24 pounds confirmed), withholding food for discipline (they ended up pleading guilty to this one), additional wound to Lydia's forehead (In court, Brian said he hit her because she was being defiant, the wound festered and became infected because of the negligent parenting of the Christines), presence of a gun at the robbery (confirmed at trial), they said that the CPS was going to adopt out the kids separately for big bucks while knowing full well that the grandparents had been contacted to adopt them all(confirmed at trial), and the list could go on.

I tarred those spewing the Christine line because they were lying and it was obvious.

478 posted on 10/28/2002 11:30:55 AM PST by RGSpincich
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