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Hanover County Shooting [Ashland, Virginia- North of Richmond]

Posted on 10/19/2002 6:14:56 PM PDT by William McKinley

Just reported. Took place outside of a Ponderosa Steakhouse. Not sure if it is related or not at this time. Police have shut down parts of I-95.


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To: William McKinley
FOX News just released info from investigators that the Van and Bullet casing found in the rental facility near Dulles Airport IS NOT related to the sniper shooting. Ballistics show this casing is not the same as those used in those shootings.
2,801 posted on 10/20/2002 4:07:46 AM PDT by Neets
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To: Neets
Headline on lucianne.com: Hospitalized 37 year old Ashland shooting victim still alive with bullet in abdomen. Condition: Critical but guarded. Police presser at 10:00 a.m.
2,802 posted on 10/20/2002 4:38:32 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: eastforker
Don't worry it was pulled by the moderator.
2,803 posted on 10/20/2002 4:44:52 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Neets
I'm puzzled. I read this quote, apparently from the Washington Post article, on the lucianne.com thread: "Witnesses said the shooter was wearing a blue shirt." But the Washington Post article appears to have no such statement.
2,804 posted on 10/20/2002 4:50:11 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: abner
our local Home Depot was dead this week

I took a look at the HD in Falls Church yesterday (Saturday). The lot looked full as always. And the LE and newsies have disappeared.

2,805 posted on 10/20/2002 4:54:08 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Howlin
How do you know that they didn't find an outstanding warrant on that guy?

How do you know they did?

2,806 posted on 10/20/2002 5:11:26 AM PDT by TankerKC
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To: browardchad
bookmark
2,807 posted on 10/20/2002 5:16:36 AM PDT by wewillnotfail
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To: Miss Marple; Peach
Someone here was noting a pattern. Has this come up yet? It occurred to me while I was wakin' up.

Prior shooting - wife with husband gets shot.

Last night's shooting - man with wife gets shot. It's like they are deciding on their target playing opposites.

I think two or more snipers are playing a game like Death Race 2000 where drivers got a set amount of points for running over a certain kind of individual. He/they set up and wait for the "type" they need next for their game.

2,808 posted on 10/20/2002 5:18:12 AM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: All
here's a new thread for today's coverage of this story,
for those who may care for a break from this monster ...

Ashland Shooting: Sunday Updates

2,809 posted on 10/20/2002 5:21:13 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: FreeReign
Again, you are making the illogical leap that restrictions on the goverment as enumerated in the Constitution are the source of rights for individuals. Read your own posts. Those are restrictions, not sources. I don't blame you, our education system is a failure...
2,810 posted on 10/20/2002 6:09:01 AM PDT by Abogado
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To: gdc61
Actually it is a Constitutional republic. Representative republic is redundent :) Constitutional repuplic means the Constitution is the supreme law of the land and the representatives are subordiante to it. Thus, they are prohibited from acting outside the scope of its scope. (which is whay the term unconstitional is applied to goverment representative's actions so much).
2,811 posted on 10/20/2002 6:15:13 AM PDT by Abogado
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To: Ligeia; Focault's Pendulum
What if Ponderosa is a message to our Texan president?

My theory is that they're French.

Ponderosa Steak House, Salad Bar, French Dressing!

A blind man could see it.

2,812 posted on 10/20/2002 6:22:50 AM PDT by Gore_ War_ Vet
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To: Miss Marple
It does occur to me that we need a forum for the permanently disgruntled disgrumbled.
2,813 posted on 10/20/2002 7:05:58 AM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: floriduh voter
Yes, I was thinking the same thing this morning...female shot, then opposite, male shot. Could be the start of a new pattern?

But my worry is that this latest victim may not survive. It seems retrieving the bullet is the main goal. Usually, not the tin-foil type, but the way they are going on about NOT having the evidence to link this shooting to the sniper, seems to be the main issue. Pressure is on to get the fragments at any cost?

They are desperate to connect this shooting to all the others...or not.

sw

2,814 posted on 10/20/2002 7:14:13 AM PDT by spectre
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To: dread78645
Of course I meant martial law...you'd have to know the context to get the joke, but anyhow...

What I suggest is not a military tyranny, it's a military necessity...very brief, for the sole purpose of stopping an armed unit of a foreign power from killing more of our fellow citizens.

IMO, playing around and waitng for normal LE methods to nail these guys does more harm our liberties than dealing with it speedily, thoroughly and resolutely could ever do.

Establish a perimeter, search every square inch, question everyone; if someone has an objection to the search, post a guard until the search warrants arrive.

Failure to deal with this the way I suggest will embolden more Islamo-fascists, and will allow the steady drumbeat of the whiners and the gungrabbers to go on and on and escalate.
2,815 posted on 10/20/2002 7:36:24 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: ExSoldier
Nope...it was still a revolution until the ratification in 1789.

I presume your point is that until the "revolution" is over, then the British were still not "foreigners." Your point is wrong as a matter of law and the fact you use to support that point does not support it in any event.

As to your point itself, the Declaration of Independence quite succintly refutes it by its statement that "these United Colonies are . . . Free and Independent States" (I've highlighted the money part of the quote):

"We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor." (hyperlink to full text).

In other words, from that moment that document was signed onwards, British were a foreign presence in America. The Revolutionary War had yet to be won, true, but a new country certainly was born on July 4, 1776. Technically speaking, the correct term for the Revolutionary War is the "War of Independence" by the way. Only if the United States lost that war could the moniker "Revolutionary War" be applied to it.

As to the fact that you cite as supposed support for your point -- namely, the final ratification of the U.S. Constitution in 1789 was the ending of the "revolution" and thus the moment in time when British citizens first acquired the status of "foreigner" whilst in America -- it does not even support your thesis. First, the Constitution is an organization charter of the present United States government. There have been at least two other U.S. governments besides the present one, the one between July 4, 1776 and the effective date of the Articles of Confederation (March 1, 1781), and the one while the Articles of Confederation was in force (1781 to 1789). What aspect of the present U.S. Constitution ended the "revolution" that the Articles of Conferation did not?

Moreover, Britain itself recognized the United States as a separate country in 1783 when it signed the Treaty of Paris. An argument could be made that Britain itself recognized the United States even earlier, in 1781 when Washington defeated Cornwallis at Yorktown or in 1782 when the Preliminary Articles Of Peace was signed. What aspect of the U.S. Constitution in 1789 somehow added to the fact that Britain itself recognized it was a "foreign" entity vis-a-vis the United States at least six years earlier?

Sorry for the history lesson so early on a Sunday morning but facts are facts, facts are important, and precision in argument requires that facts be used correctly.

2,816 posted on 10/20/2002 8:23:21 AM PDT by stayout
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To: TankerKC
The difference in you and me is that that isn't the FIRST thing I think; I'm willing to wait till I hear until I rush to judgment.

And as I said above, if that were the case, there would be people laying all over the ground because there are a heck of a lot of white vans out there.

2,817 posted on 10/20/2002 8:27:36 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
I knew there was one of those out there..........LOL.
2,818 posted on 10/20/2002 8:28:36 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: hole_n_one
Authorities said that the existence of any such e-mail was nothing more than an "urban legend".

I thought the content of the email is what was characterized as urban legend. Not its existence. I may have thought wrong though.

2,819 posted on 10/20/2002 8:35:35 AM PDT by Henk
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Amen:

Never give any personal info out on the phone to a unknown caller, regardless of who they say they are.

If he is a real LEO, tell him that you will be glad to meet him in his official headquarters, in his office after he proves at the info desk he is legit!

2,820 posted on 10/20/2002 8:40:41 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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