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What if an alQaeda Cell is working in teams? (Vanity)

Posted on 10/15/2002 10:09:05 AM PDT by Maceman

The more I think about it, the more it seems to me that an alQaeda cell is conducting a sniper operation carried our by two or three two-man teams. Such as strategy would have many advantage for alQaeda:

* It would confound the police, and make their job geometrically more difficult.

* Conflicting witness reports (since the witnesses are seeing different teams) would keep law enforcement scrambling and chasing false leads for a long time.

* It would create a climate of terror in the population.

* It would cause economic dislocation as people curtail their activities to the greatest extent possible.

* The teams could stay local, thereby remaining in their comfort zones.

* The team could operate for a long time -- operating at any pace it wants including going dormant for a time.

* It would be a great percursor to a larger attack, in terms of softening up the public and diverting law enforcement resources.

* From all accounts, the shooter(s) need not have a lot of training to operate at their current skill levels.

* The odds of not getting caught appear high, which means that you don't need to recruit suicide bombers. I have read reports that al Qaedas suicide bombers are mostly dim bulbs. Moreover, telling someone they probably won't die HAS to be an easier recruitment pitch.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; snipar
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To: Maceman; Rivothead
Fairfax County Police Chief Manger said,

"Ballistic evidence has conclusively linked this case to the other murders in the area."

21 posted on 10/15/2002 10:34:14 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: Ciexyz
we know the sweater color, but not the hair color, the skin color, facial hair, or weight, height and build?

c'mon LEOS... tell us who is trying to kill us all. tell us what he looks like.
22 posted on 10/15/2002 10:35:26 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Maceman
it seems to me that an alQaeda cell is conducting a sniper operation carried our by two or three two-man teams

I think that you are right on track.

23 posted on 10/15/2002 10:35:51 AM PDT by MickMan51
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To: ASA Vet
Fairfax County Police Chief Manger said, "Ballistic evidence has conclusively linked this case to the other murders in the area."

That statement could simply mean that the shootings are all done using the same type of ammunition.

24 posted on 10/15/2002 10:37:37 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: sharktrager
why would the teams share one rifle

I could be wrong, but I don't believe anyone has established that the exact same rifle was used in all these killings. Same type, sure, but is anyone really saying "same rifle" especially since fragments is all they are getting.

25 posted on 10/15/2002 10:37:59 AM PDT by MickMan51
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To: Robert_Paulson2
This is plausible.

They may be using more than one rifle. Drop off the most recently used rifle at a safe cache, switch vehicles, and blend in with the traffic. Go back later when the heat is off to pick up the weapon.
26 posted on 10/15/2002 10:38:16 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: Robert_Paulson2
You ever try to make a 100 yard shot with a handgun? Appearantly you are ignorant to the use of firearms.
27 posted on 10/15/2002 10:39:38 AM PDT by Rivothead
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To: Quix; Maceman
Sharing one rifle would not be that difficult.

It wouldn't, but what advantage is gained by having multiple people using the same weapon?

What features of these attacks are supposed to be explained by the multiple gunman theory?

29 posted on 10/15/2002 10:42:56 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: nanrod
I don't think they want to play their hand all at once. They view this as a long-term war of attrition. Large scale attacks will cause a crackdown on ME types and make it harder for them to operate in the U.S.
30 posted on 10/15/2002 10:45:49 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: Maceman
i'm not speculating. not enough info yet. however

isn't it frightening that someone with a twenty cent bullet could shut down every escape route out of DC?

31 posted on 10/15/2002 10:47:42 AM PDT by glock rocks
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To: Physicist
What features of these attacks are supposed to be explained by the multiple gunman theory?

Mainly the fact that two different vehicles have been identified by multiple witnesses and LE has released "sketches" of both vehicles.

I suppose it could be one guy with more than one vehicle. Maybe he gets the vehicles from a carpool?

32 posted on 10/15/2002 10:49:19 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: Rivothead
apparently I am not ignorant....

we have several at the shooting range who target with .223 single shot handguns all the time at 100 yards...

all it takes is a scope to shoot a five inch spread the first day out... I watched my son do it.

33 posted on 10/15/2002 10:50:26 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Robert_Paulson2
100 yard shots with a handgun a very unlikely
34 posted on 10/15/2002 10:52:14 AM PDT by Rivothead
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To: Robert_Paulson2
I know shooting instructors for the F.B.I. that would completely dissagree with that.
35 posted on 10/15/2002 10:54:41 AM PDT by Rivothead
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To: glock rocks
isn't it frightening that someone with a twenty cent bullet could shut down every escape route out of DC?

Excellent point. Is this why the shootings occur often during rush hour?

I think the same thing every time someone going through a checkpoint at the airport can cause kneejerk officials to evacuate the entire airport. This creates throngs of people outside the terminal where they could be subject to further attack.

It was reported the terrorists in Bali had a small diversion bomb that did not go off. The idea was to force everyone out in the street with the small bomb, where they would be killed by the second, larger bomb.

36 posted on 10/15/2002 10:55:25 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: ASA Vet
""Ballistic evidence has conclusively linked this case to the other murders in the area."

I saw the press conference (and endless others before this). When pressed to explain exactly what "ballistic evidence" they're talking about, LE has dodged. We've seen countless news fillers about the wonders of ballistic forensics, but as many have said on FR, it remains doubtful that the fragments recovered have specifically ID'd the exact weapon. Perhaps the matches are based more on metallurgy analysis than on markings.

37 posted on 10/15/2002 10:58:27 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: MickMan51
Ballistics experts have conclusively linked the shooting to the serial killer who has now murdered nine people and wounded two others since Oct. 2, Fairfax County Police Chief Tom Manger said Tuesday morning.


Key word ballistics
38 posted on 10/15/2002 11:00:03 AM PDT by Rivothead
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To: Rivothead
100 yard shots with a handgun a very unlikely...

Oh, my, no, especially the sort of handgun commonly chambered for a .223, such as a Thomson Contender or the old Remington XP or even a custom jobby. These typically are scoped and quite capable of 2 MOA or better.

Personally I suspect a carbine, myself. Many of these have extensible stocks and short barrels and would be ideal for vehicle employment - that's what they're designed for. But it could be pretty much anything - I don't know of any .223 rifle or pistol that wouldn't be perfectly adequate at 100 yds if properly maintained and employed by anyone who practiced.

39 posted on 10/15/2002 11:01:15 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Rivothead
I know a retired army sniper who would disagree with your fbi friends... his favorite target shots are with the .223 single shot...

He regularly shoots a 3-4 inch group with it.
scoped of course.

40 posted on 10/15/2002 11:01:55 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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