Posted on 10/14/2002 4:59:49 PM PDT by RCW2001
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| COLUMBUS, Ohio Oct. 14 — A state school board panel Monday recommended that Ohio science classes emphasize both evolution and the debate over its validity.
The committee left it up to individual school districts to decide whether to include in the debate the concept of "intelligent design," which holds that the universe is guided by a higher intelligence. The guidelines for the science curriculum simply put into writing what many school districts already do. The current guidelines do not even mention evolution. "What we're essentially saying here is evolution is a very strong theory, and students can learn from it by analyzing evidence as it is accumulated over time," said Tom McClain, a board member and co-chairman of the Ohio Board of Education's academic standards committee. Conservative groups, some of which had tried and failed to get biblical creation taught in the public schools, had argued that students should learn about intelligent design. But critics of intelligent design said it is creationism in disguise. On Monday, the committee unanimously forwarded a final draft without the concept in it to the full 19-member board. Board member Michael Cochran, who had pushed for intelligent design in the standards, said, "The amendment allows teachers and students in Ohio to understand that evolution really is a theory and that there are competing views and different interpretations. This allows them to be discussed." The Ohio school board will decide Tuesday whether to adopt the new standards or order that they be revised.
On the Net: Ohio Department of Education: http://www.ode.state.oh.us/ |
Not a bad idea, but they wouldn't get it. By the way, have you ever noticed that the evolution side of the debate, being the rational and mature side, never says equally idiotic things, such as: "Creationism = kiddy porn". (I've been tempted, but hey, there's no sport in kicking cripples.)
maybe you(squeaky wheel) could ask the authorities to reopen(grease) his account and try again!
Maybe the whiners/crybabies/liberal disrupters(axis/cult of evo/evil) should get IT(glue/weld job)!
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According to ID logic the conclusion is obvious: The Communists were right. Complex modern economies must be designed; they cannot evolve on their own from simpler beginnings. 253 posted on 10/18/02 1:54 AM Central by jennyp Intelligent Design is to biology what Communism is to economics. 255 posted on 10/18/02 2:15 AM Central by jennyp Quoting the NY Times now? How can you claim to like their science without liking their politics, or are you also a communist? 298 posted on 10/18/02 2:14 PM Central by nanrod Can we please add "Evolution = Communism" to that rule (I forget the guy's name) wherein if someone brings up Hitler they thereby lose said argument? So tiresome. 300 posted on 10/18/02 2:40 PM Central by whattajoke |
Not only that, but with special creation, homosexuality would be no problem at all to the continuity of the species. Need another generation? Just create it! Therefore ...
I think that this interchange shows more of how the Darwinist looks at the world than how the ID'er (however you define that) looks at the world. I cannot imagine how anyone views economic institutions as evolving using random variation. Trial and error is not random. You don't use a hammer to to tighten a bolt of unknown size, but you may try several different sockets until you find the right one.
Nobody ever designed an industry. And yet several industries are locked into irreducibly complex relationships. For example, the oil & gas industry would collapse if you removed the cars & trucks that transport the gasoline to the gas stations and that use the gas to run. But the automobile industry would collapse if you removed the gas stations. Textbook example of economic irreducible complexity. It must have all been designed by a group (soviet?) of economic designers. Didn't it? (Where are the design documents? Was this an ad-hoc group or is there an ongoing Economic Design Bureau? And is this Bureau a private entity or a government one? etc.)
Likewise the checking system is locked in IC relationships with the computer industry, the trucking industry, the power generation industry, and others. Yet with all our intelligence, it still evolved from simpler systems.
Similarly, the stock market & just about every industry you can think of. Yet with all our intelligence, it still evolved.
Are you thus allowing concepts as real objects? In any case, remove the oxygen from the atmosphere and the industry will collapse.
Every one of which evolved using our intelligence. No single person designed the car you drive.
True, there is much Lamarckian evolution going on - employees of one company or industry regularly learn about what the current best practices (or latest fad) are in their industry or in other industries. Plus employees engage in lateral meme transfer as they move on to different companies, and sometimes to different industries.
But if the literature of business history is littered with the stories of well-run companies that couldn't cope with a changing industry, changing marketplace, changing technologies - as well as stories of small companies that defied the odds to make it big, and in a few cases transform an industry.
Failure in business is the rule. This is true for small companies, but also for larger companies over longer timescales. The marketplace is a chaotic beast, despite the efforts of the best & brightest to navigate their companies thru the years.
And if the economy was a designed entity like you seem to believe it is, then Communism, or some other kind of technocratic or corporate-fascist dictatorship, would be a much more efficient system for maximizing the wealth of nations than free market capitalism.
But remove the industry and the oxygen will survive. :-)
What "economy", describe what you are talking about. You are shotgunning terms and claims left and right.
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