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To: AndrewC
Banks and economic policies arose just as a random events and were coopted to solve economic problems. Yeah, I buy that.

Nobody ever designed an industry. And yet several industries are locked into irreducibly complex relationships. For example, the oil & gas industry would collapse if you removed the cars & trucks that transport the gasoline to the gas stations and that use the gas to run. But the automobile industry would collapse if you removed the gas stations. Textbook example of economic irreducible complexity. It must have all been designed by a group (soviet?) of economic designers. Didn't it? (Where are the design documents? Was this an ad-hoc group or is there an ongoing Economic Design Bureau? And is this Bureau a private entity or a government one? etc.)

Likewise the checking system is locked in IC relationships with the computer industry, the trucking industry, the power generation industry, and others. Yet with all our intelligence, it still evolved from simpler systems.

Similarly, the stock market & just about every industry you can think of. Yet with all our intelligence, it still evolved.

315 posted on 10/18/2002 3:16:48 PM PDT by jennyp
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To: jennyp
For example, the oil & gas industry would collapse if you removed the cars & trucks that transport the gasoline to the gas stations and that use the gas to run.

Are you thus allowing concepts as real objects? In any case, remove the oxygen from the atmosphere and the industry will collapse.

316 posted on 10/18/2002 3:26:01 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: jennyp
Yet with all our intelligence, it still evolved from simpler systems.

Every one of which evolved using our intelligence. No single person designed the car you drive.

317 posted on 10/18/2002 3:28:47 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: jennyp
If you want to make an evolution comparison, IMHO the systems you describe are more of a ‘dog breeding’ type scenario. There is an existing designed system that is modified for a ‘special purpose’. (no reference to Steve Martin in The Jerk - please)
323 posted on 10/18/2002 3:42:06 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: jennyp
So, how do you make the quantum leap that 'evolution' of a man-made model equates to the creation of life?

You must have been an Olympic long-jumper...
337 posted on 10/18/2002 4:55:33 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution
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To: jennyp
Yet with all our intelligence, it still evolved.

Interesting that you (and sometimes other evolutionists) give as examples of evolution things which have doubtlessly come about through the actions of intelligent human beings. Have you considered that perhaps the terms evolution and randomness are opposites? Have you considered that perhaps you need intelligence for anything to evolve? The whole history of science is an example of humanity learning from prior discoveries.

366 posted on 10/19/2002 8:53:35 AM PDT by gore3000
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